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Old 11-29-2017, 04:43 PM   #1
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House of prayer for all nations

House of prayer for all nations / Nazarethan Baha'i Faith

Cult, that's truth I created it , it's non-profit assembly , haven't any Universal House, any hierarchy, so Nazarethan Baha'i Faith is cult for Bahá'ís?

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You reject this God's message the same like Báb or Muhammad? Why? Cause i born at XXI age?
 
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Old 11-29-2017, 05:30 PM   #2
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Hi my friend, please look with a critical eye at your findings and conclusions, the Baha'i faith is founded by a MANIFESTATION of God not just by an ordinary human being, do your soul a favour and enter into the glorious paradise which is the revelation of Bahaullah, open the gates of paradise which is the Kitab-i-Aqdas. I don't mean any harm to you, you just don't make much sense .. May God guide you to the glorious path
 
Old 11-30-2017, 07:45 AM   #3
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House of prayer for all nations / Nazarethan Baha'i Faith

Cult, that's truth I created it , it's non-profit assembly , haven't any Universal House, any hierarchy, so Nazarethan Baha'i Faith is cult for Bahá'ís?
Does the word "cult" apply to you??

I find three definitions for "cult" in my dictionary.

First is: "A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object." For all your silliness, you are not an idolator, so that definition doesn't apply.

Second is: "A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister." Sinister?? Not really. Strange?? Sure. This one almost works, but "group" implies more than one person. Since your "Nazarethan Baha'i Faith" is one person, then it is no "cult" by that definition either.

Third is "A misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing." as in a "cult of personality". I don't think that one applies, but I still don't understand your ramblings enough to tell.

So don't worry, you aren't a cult.

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Have a look, discuss if you like -
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You reject this God's message the same like Báb or Muhammad? Why? Cause i born at XXI age?
No, Pawel, because you refuse to tell me what your message is. For countless times you posted here, and countless times I asked open inquiries of you and what you were proposing as "truth" out of a spirit of open independent investigation of all things.

And countless times my questions were ignored over and over again by you.

I can't even "reject" your message because you refuse to tell me what that message even is except in vague terms.

But I also can't accept it because, again, I can't possibly know what it is because you won't tell me.

If you call my lack of blind acceptance of yourself and my questions trying to figure out what it is you are proposing "rejection", so be it.
 
Old 11-30-2017, 09:14 AM   #4
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Babism,
I'll try to give some charitable advice. Take it or leave, you are to be judged by God alone. As Muslims say Allah knows best.

I sympathize for your desire to seek Truth and to listen to the voice of God you hear calling you into greater depths with Him. When we do follow our understanding changes as Baha'u'llah says we are led from "astonishment to astonishment". But we are but humble servants; imperfect mirrors. I have found the mystic insights and visions one day are corrected with greater wisdom months later. The zeal I had once has been tempered with greater perspective later. It's almost cyclic. The insights you have now are not the full extent, they aren't the totality of truth. Don't make an idol of them. Focus on God, their Source, alone.

Then you need to look deep into your soul. Your current views make you outside of the Baha'i covenant. What is that you are really seeking? Where is God really leading you or what else may you be following? Are you safe to be wandering the wilderness of faith alone or is the communion of others a hindrance? The Christain desert fathers practiced their faith alone in a small cell in the wilds, they withdrew from fellowship to better listen to God alone. But they speak of being visited by the devil even there. I also feel the draw to go it alone, but I'm not strong or wise enough. I know what's there, for me, a dryness of no real faith at all.

For me, submitting to the covenant makes sense. Its for my in protection from delusion for any possible errors in the Baha'i teaching pale in comparison to the terrors I might invent on my own without anyone to correct me. The covenant gives me a tradition, a path to knowledge of God and gate to His presence. We access God only thru His manifestations. Finnaly, I love my fellow Bahais, they inspire to me to be better and their friendship is a precious gift from God.

You are in my prayers, may God guide you to Him.
 
Old 11-30-2017, 05:39 PM   #5
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House of prayer for all nations / Nazarethan Baha'i Faith

Cult, that's truth I created it , it's non-profit assembly , haven't any Universal House, any hierarchy, so Nazarethan Baha'i Faith is cult for Bahá'ís?

Have a look, discuss if you like -
https://m.facebook.com/#!/groups/112...30515467032269

You reject this God's message the same like Báb or Muhammad? Why? Cause i born at XXI age?
In this you feel, you are not, nor have ever been alone. It is the realm of the heart, the center of our being. When the mystic wayfarer meets with such as would be the center of our reality, a Sun of Truth, he may be overwhelmed by the experience, for it is the core of understanding revelations in all religions. It is known to the many who have sojourned therein as the Messianic moment. Your test is to recognize who you are as compares to the Truth of a Messiah, a Messenger of God.

We pray you shall not falter to the denizens of your own ego. Vaya con Dios! Go with God.
 
Old 12-01-2017, 06:04 PM   #6
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When the mystic wayfarer meets with such as would be the center of our reality, a Sun of Truth, he may be overwhelmed by the experience, for it is the core of understanding revelations in all religions. It is known to the many who have sojourned therein as the Messianic moment. Your test is to recognize who you are as compares to the Truth of a Messiah, a Messenger of God.
I love that you said this! You're absolutely right that this encounter with God is the defining moment for a mystic. Each tradition or teacher talks about it differently, but how we end up seeing ourselves compared to and in the light of Truth defines us.
For me, I definitely experience what the prophet Isaiah says I am undone, I am of unclean lips.
The same sentiment is over and over again in the Baha'i Writings. We are unworthy to pass into the gates of His presence yet we are welcomed in. But we are destroyed and made new.
 
Old 12-02-2017, 08:27 PM   #7
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I love that you said this! You're absolutely right that this encounter with God is the defining moment for a mystic. Each tradition or teacher talks about it differently, but how we end up seeing ourselves compared to and in the light of Truth defines us.
For me, I definitely experience what the prophet Isaiah says I am undone, I am of unclean lips.
The same sentiment is over and over again in the Baha'i Writings. We are unworthy to pass into the gates of His presence yet we are welcomed in. But we are destroyed and made new.
In the KBLH, upon the Divine Tree, such would be found in Tiphareth. For the seeker, such is the Summit of Beauty found following the Valley of Unity. The Summit of Beauty, among the 7 Heavens, is associated with the Sun.

This Messianic experience has caused many to fall from His Grace. It is a grand test, if the seeker overcomes the temptation and discovers courage in the fear of God.

BTW..........how is your mantra of Allah'u'Abha (95 times) progressing? Are you using prayer beads?
 
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