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Old 12-01-2017, 02:33 PM   #1
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UHJ and adultery law

Im sure Bahaullah and abdul baha have stated that adultery will nullify the year of patience and the financial support so wondering why the UHJ don't follow what they wrote

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Old 12-01-2017, 07:28 PM   #2
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The kitab I aqdas clearly states that those who cheat in marriage will not receive year of financial support and abdul baha nulled the year of patience yet the UHJ still state that we must observe the year of patience even if our partner cheats .. Does anyone have any info? Also would be wrong to get married and not notify the Baha'i councils but recite the marriage verse because of the above reasons?
The year of patience is when the couple must live separately while they work out problems with their marriage and hopefully be reconciled, but otherwise they must observe the year of patience before a Baha'i divorce is granted. They can not get married to anyone else until that occurs even if they already have a civil divorce. This is true regardless if one of the partners cheats, and is also a separate issue from whether the wife is entitled to financial support during that period. This process must also comply with the laws in the country where it takes place.

Baha'is are required to comply with marriage laws also, including the requirement that the parents consent to the marriage regardless of whether the parents are Baha'is or not, or whether the person he or she is marrying is a Baha'i. If that person is of another religion, it is permitted to have 2 marriage ceremonies, one Baha'i and one the other religion if they want to do that. It also must be legal according to the laws of the country you live in, so if the Baha'i ceremony is not yet recognized legally there should be another civil ceremony to make it legal.
 
Old 12-01-2017, 10:29 PM   #3
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Can references and quotes be provided?
 
Old 12-02-2017, 11:34 AM   #4
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The kitab I aqdas clearly states that those who cheat in marriage will not receive year of financial support and abdul baha nulled the year of patience yet the UHJ still state that we must observe the year of patience even if our partner cheats .. Does anyone have any info? Also would be wrong to get married and not notify the Baha'i councils but recite the marriage verse because of the above reasons?
Quite honestly, Yousefy2, and excuse me for saying this, but I have been looking at the heading, UHJ not following Bahaullah and Abdul bahais adultery law, for some time, and if you are such a devoted believer as you say, why do your heading and your text imply that the Universal House of Justice disregards a law? As a Bahá'í, you should be informed that the House is divinely guided and that there is no conflict between their rulings and the Founding Figures of our Faith. Of course, you are free to ask any question, but a little more respect for the House is expected.

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Old 12-02-2017, 01:00 PM   #5
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Quite honestly, Yousefy2, and excuse me for saying this, but I have been looking at the heading, UHJ not following Bahaullah and Abdul bahais adultery law, for some time, and if you are such a devoted believer as you say, why do your heading and your text imply that the Universal House of Justice disregards a law? As a Bahá'í, you should be informed that the House is divinely guided and that there is no conflict between their rulings and the Founding Figures of our Faith. Of course, you are free to ask any question, but a little more respect for the House is expected.

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Fair comment I respect that and I apologise to cause any issues. I've never said I'm a devoted believer though I don't think. I was jw why the UHJ is not following what Bahaullah and abul baha prescribed but your right they are divinely guided .. Sorry
 
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Old 12-02-2017, 01:08 PM   #7
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Should a woman be divorced in consequence of a proven act of infidelity, she shall receive no maintenance during her period of waiting. (Baha’u’llah, Kitab-i-Aqdas, para. 70)

There is a Tablet from ‘Abdu’l-Bahá which states that the year of waiting is waived in the case of an unfaithful wife. This aspect of the Bahá’í law of divorce, however, will need elucidation and supplementary legislation by the Universal House of Justice. Therefore, a
 
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Fair comment I respect that and I apologise to cause any issues. I've never said I'm a devoted believer though I don't think. I was jw why the UHJ is not following what Bahaullah and abul baha prescribed but your right they are divinely guided .. Sorry
I see - that makes the whole difference. Then I have no issue whatsoever with your question.

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Old 12-02-2017, 02:27 PM   #9
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The year of patience is when the couple must live separately while they work out problems with their marriage and hopefully be reconciled, but otherwise they must observe the year of patience before a Baha'i divorce is granted. They can not get married to anyone else until that occurs even if they already have a civil divorce. This is true regardless if one of the partners cheats, and is also a separate issue from whether the wife is entitled to financial support during that period. This process must also comply with the laws in the country where it takes place.

Baha'is are required to comply with marriage laws also, including the requirement that the parents consent to the marriage regardless of whether the parents are Baha'is or not, or whether the person he or she is marrying is a Baha'i. If that person is of another religion, it is permitted to have 2 marriage ceremonies, one Baha'i and one the other religion if they want to do that. It also must be legal according to the laws of the country you live in, so if the Baha'i ceremony is not yet recognized legally there should be another civil ceremony to make it legal.
Thank you .. This may be a silly question but let's say I get married and do the Baha'i ceremony and I live in England do I also have to officially get married with the country's laws aswell? Or is the Baha'i ceremony enough if I choose?
 
Old 12-03-2017, 07:08 AM   #10
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Thank you .. This may be a silly question but let's say I get married and do the Baha'i ceremony and I live in England do I also have to officially get married with the country's laws aswell? Or is the Baha'i ceremony enough if I choose?
I am pretty sure that in the UK Baha'i marriages are officially recognized, they are officiated by a Local Spiritual Assembly, which fills out the legal documents, etc., so you don't need another ceremony.

The essential part of a Baha'i marriage ceremony is very simple, the man and woman each need to say the verse "we will all verily abide by the will of God" before witnesses. In addition to that, they can be as elaborate or as simple as they like, with additional prayers, statements, music, and afterwards cake, dancing, etc. Obviously, no wine or alcohol!
 
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No Wine? Jesus turned water into wine. drink but don't get drunk.
 
Old 12-09-2017, 12:45 PM   #12
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No Wine? Jesus turned water into wine. drink but don't get drunk.
That is the teaching from 2000 years ago. In this age, we have a teaching that can protect the millions of people who are prone to alcoholism. It's better to drink grape juice.
 
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No Wine? Jesus turned water into wine. drink but don't get drunk.
So clever things, alcoholism is forbidden, not drinking alcohol
 
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Yes. but not clever... Eat to live. Not live to eat...
 
Old 12-11-2017, 08:14 AM   #15
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Here's a weird question a bit related to the subject of marriage laws...

Anyone know if it is permitted for a couple to only get religiously married and not legally married?? For financial reasons, perhaps, I could see scenarios where a couple might not want to merge their properties together legally until, say, one member of the relationship has all debts paid off.
 
Old 12-11-2017, 12:26 PM   #16
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Where state law requires a legal marriage both go hand in hand. You cannot have only the Bahá'í ceremony - except in cases where Catholic Church law influences state law and therefore forbids divorce and re-marriage.
 
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