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Old 12-10-2017, 01:25 PM   #1
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Internet lies or truth?

I came across a site saying abdul baha resorted to violence on occasions but him being the perfect exemplar I dont know what to make of it .. Hope someone can help and clear my juggled mind .. one quotation on the website is

One day in the birúní[outer section] of the blessed House of Haifa, He [‘Abdu’l-Bahá] stated, “I have forgotten my handkerchief.” One of the friends who was known as Ustád Muhammad-‘Alí Banná, remarked to this effect, “How is it possible for the manifestation of Truth to forget anything?” Immediately, ‘Abdu’l-Bahá slapped him and stated, “Over forgetting a handkerchief that man puts a hundred souls to test
(Ahang Rabbani, A Lifetime with `Abdu'l-Bahá: Reminiscences of Khalíl Shahídí, pp. 100-101)
 
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Old 12-10-2017, 01:42 PM   #2
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One day I (Abdul Baha) was sitting in the house's veranda and saw that the Mufti and another person came and said, "Do you have extra chairs?" I replied, "Yes." They came and sat. After some discussion, with reference [to the situation], they conveyed, "It is best to give us some money so we would conclude this affair." I did not heed them. He said, "At any event, I have rented this house."

With great determination, the investigators began to investigate the situation. One day I saw that one of them had come, knocking on the door. I did not wish to receive him. He cried out, "I have a critical matter to discuss." They opened the door. He came in, sat and after some discussions said, "If you give some money, this affair will conclude." I said to him, "Your purpose was then money. Why did you not say sooner? Wait and I will go bring money."

I went and performed My ablutions and stood for obligatory prayer. Afterwards, I recited prayers. He was in a hurry and I was protracting [My meditations].

At the end, I said to him, "I have sent the money." He inquired, "With whom did you send it?" I replied, "Stand up!" Then slapped him in the ear, lifted him and threw him down from the height of the building.


With Abdu'l-Bahá: The Diary of Mirza 'Isa Khan Isfahani by Mirza `Isa Khan Isfahani translated and edited by Ahang Rabbani.

Please someone tell me these are just people attacking the faith?
 
Old 12-10-2017, 02:04 PM   #3
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I came across a site saying abdul baha resorted to violence on occasions but him being the perfect exemplar I dont know what to make of it .. Hope someone can help and clear my juggled mind .. one quotation on the website is

One day in the birúní[outer section] of the blessed House of Haifa, He [‘Abdu’l-Bahá] stated, “I have forgotten my handkerchief.” One of the friends who was known as Ustád Muhammad-‘Alí Banná, remarked to this effect, “How is it possible for the manifestation of Truth to forget anything?” Immediately, ‘Abdu’l-Bahá slapped him and stated, “Over forgetting a handkerchief that man puts a hundred souls to test
(Ahang Rabbani, A Lifetime with `Abdu'l-Bahá: Reminiscences of Khalíl Shahídí, pp. 100-101)
I can't guarantee the authenticity of the quote, but giving someone a slap is not necessarily violence, and not harmful. With regards to whether Abdu'l-Baha could forget something like a handkerchief, that has nothing to do with being a "manifestation of Truth", besides, I don't recall Abdu'l-Baha ever being called a manifestation of Truth. He was called the Master, and is the Center of the Covenant. He is not a Prophet, or Manifestation.

It seems likely that person, Ustád Muhammad-‘Alí Banná, must have been someone of weak faith, and didn't fully understand what role Abdu'l-Baha actually had, and giving him a little slap to wake him up may have been the appropriate thing.

In the case of the other story, it seems likely those men came to demand money even though they were not owed any money, in other words they were committing the crime of extortion, stealing from others. That is injustice and Baha'is are supposed to stand up for justice and not just allow crimes to happen if they can, so again, his actions may have been completely appropriate.

In any case the people who run the website you mention who try to find anything that can put the Faith in a bad light seem just like Ustád Muhammad-‘Alí Banná, they don't understand the true nature of the Faith and find fault where none exists.

That's my opinion, for what it's worth.

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Old 12-10-2017, 07:06 PM   #4
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I suggest you read the discussion between doost9 and the others here:

Baha’ism and Violence: Abdu’l-Baha the Face Slapper - Baha'i principles
 
Old 12-11-2017, 03:59 AM   #5
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Makes sense thanks guys
 
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