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Old 12-21-2017, 04:24 PM   #1
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My imperfections .. perfect me ?

I go through a really tough time (tests?) with my imperfections surrounding me and the self infront of me .. In this darkness I find that only few traces of the light coming from the sun of truth remain ... I then forsake the land of darkness and travel towards the few drops of light I see within my self and surround myself within ... Then a few weeks later I find myself covered in darkness on a higher plane or evolved plane then before
My point being in this post that my imperfections surround me and torture me but after the suffering I feel the blessings come upon me with new insights and past mistakes revealed and a higher plane of being achieved

I am very imperfect and I wish and pray for the majesty of God to remove within me the viels of self which I am so unaware of so I can behold the beauty of God and God alone. Why are my imperfections so hidden from me to only to become manifest out of the blue when I think I'm on the right track (maybe I'm not ready to face them until then)

I really dident wish this to be a depressing post but it is uplifting as I feel through the suffering I become a better Bahá'í and more in line with the spirit of Bahá'u'lláh

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Old 12-21-2017, 11:34 PM   #2
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I go through a really tough time (tests?) with my imperfections surrounding me and the self infront of me .. In this darkness I find that only few traces of the light coming from the sun of truth remain ... I then forsake the land of darkness and travel towards the few drops of light I see within my self and surround myself within ... Then a few weeks later I find myself covered in darkness on a higher plane or evolved plane then before
My point being in this post that my imperfections surround me and torture me but after the suffering I feel the blessings come upon me with new insights and past mistakes revealed

I am very imperfect and I wish and pray for the majesty of God to remove within me the viels of self which I am so unaware of so I can behold the beauty of God and God alone. Why are my imperfections so hidden from me to only to become manifest out of the blue when I think I'm on the right track ..

The viels of self have consume no matter how much I strive for perfection ..
I have only been a Bahá'í for 3 months and I have learnt and grown a lot may god help me and you .. I don't know why I wrote this post .. Alláh’u’Abhá .. I hope you can all pray for God to help me ..
I really dident wish this to be a depressing post but it is uplifting as I feel through the suffering I become a better Bahá'í

I think this prayer at these times is always good;

"God! Refresh and gladden my spirit. Purify my heart. Illumine my powers. I lay all my affairs in Thy hand. Thou art my Guide and my Refuge. I will no longer be sorrowful and grieved; I will be a happy and joyful being. O God! I will no longer be full of anxiety, nor will I let trouble harass me. I will not dwell on the unpleasant things of life.

O God! Thou art more friend to me than I am to myself. I dedicate myself to Thee, O Lord."

‘Abdu’l-Bahá

Dwelling on our shortcomings stunts out ability to draw on the power of assistance, which is always available.

This is why we bring ourselves to account each day. So we can start the new day with new a vision and a new enthusiasm.

We all know how you feel.

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Old 12-22-2017, 05:07 AM   #3
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Hi tony .. Thanks for the reply and your right. I feel after all the hard times the blessings and new insights come .. Like the tests make me stronger
 
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I go through a really tough time (tests?) with my imperfections surrounding me and the self infront of me .. In this darkness I find that only few traces of the light coming from the sun of truth remain ... I then forsake the land of darkness and travel towards the few drops of light I see within my self and surround myself within ... Then a few weeks later I find myself covered in darkness on a higher plane or evolved plane then before
My point being in this post that my imperfections surround me and torture me but after the suffering I feel the blessings come upon me with new insights and past mistakes revealed and a higher plane of being achieved

I am very imperfect and I wish and pray for the majesty of God to remove within me the viels of self which I am so unaware of so I can behold the beauty of God and God alone. Why are my imperfections so hidden from me to only to become manifest out of the blue when I think I'm on the right track (maybe I'm not ready to face them until then)

I really dident wish this to be a depressing post but it is uplifting as I feel through the suffering I become a better Bahá'í and more in line with the spirit of Bahá'u'lláh
You're paying the price for being a sincere and genuine person.

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Old 12-22-2017, 09:35 AM   #5
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Hi gnat .. Haha I kind of chuckled at that remark but do you mind elaborating more on what you mean as I want to understand exactly what you mean
 
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Hi gnat .. Haha I kind of chuckled at that remark but do you mind elaborating more on what you mean as I want to understand exactly what you mean
It takes a lifetime to realize that there's little more to say. It's got something to do with the saying that the whole of the Quran can be found in its first Surih, and the whole of the first Surih can be found in its first point.

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Old 12-22-2017, 09:08 PM   #7
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It takes a lifetime to realize that there's little more to say. It's got something to do with the saying that the whole of the Quran can be found in its first Surih, and the whole of the first Surih can be found in its first point.

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Ha ha, love your short to the point replies

The Point is huge, a new creation!

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You're paying the price for being a sincere and genuine person.

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That is exactly what I was thinking. He is so sincere and genuine but he is too humble to even know it.
 
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We all know how you feel.
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Old 12-22-2017, 10:28 PM   #10
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Hi tony .. Thanks for the reply and your right. I feel after all the hard times the blessings and new insights come .. Like the tests make me stronger
I am so glad to hear you say that because I am undergoing a lot of tests right now, so many I did not think I was going to make it... but somehow I do and I get a new strength I did not know I had... I am not out of the woods yet though, this is going to be a long haul... I just have to keep remembering what Abdu'l-Baha said, that this material world is a storehouse of suffering, because that is where all the tests come from... But if I can continue my teaching work I find joy and peace, in spite of all the pain in my own life.
 
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I am so glad to hear you say that because I am undergoing a lot of tests right now, so many I did not think I was going to make it... but somehow I do and I get a new strength I did not know I had... I am not out of the woods yet though, this is going to be a long haul... I just have to keep remembering what Abdu'l-Baha said, that this material world is a storehouse of suffering, because that is where all the tests come from... But if I can continue my teaching work I find joy and peace, in spite of all the pain in my own life.
Hi buddy, may God help you through your tests. Tests are a good means to drop away all the things which are standing in your way in getting you closer to God .. 'My calamity is my providence' .. Tests grow us in all ways
 
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Hi buddy, may God help you through your tests. Tests are a good means to drop away all the things which are standing in your way in getting you closer to God .. 'My calamity is my providence' .. Tests grow us in all ways
Thanks. I am nowhere as close to God as you are so I need all the help I can get.

I actually have NO IDEA how to get close to a God that is.... invisible, but I keep trying.

Susan aka Trailblazer
 
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Thanks. I am nowhere as close to God as you are so I need all the help I can get.

I actually have NO IDEA how to get close to a God that is.... invisible, but I keep trying.

Susan aka Trailblazer
Stop trying, just DO things. We try too much and do too little.

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Hi please don't say such things, as such things may not be true however if you believe it to be true it's very humble from you as Abdul Baha tells the believers at feasts to think of other people's stations higher .. Also if you think that's true then please take motivation from it! Also if you believe me to be closer which may not be true this is my advice to you how I get closer to God who is invisible.



Firstly to get to God is is to get close to Bahá'u'lláh and follow his commands, he also came as a human (to a degree) as he actually said we will struggle to comprehend God therefore coming as a human is a gift to us! Therefore getting close to Bahá'u'lláh is getting close to God and Bahá'u'lláh came with a human station. You can try read the stories of Bahá'u'lláh and his greatness, you can imagine how he actually lived as a human but had this greatness about him which will help getting closer to God.

My steps to get close to God or Bahá'u'lláh

Fulfill all the obligations which Bahá'u'lláh has set every single day without fail it should be the most important thing .. Bahá'u'lláh is the doctor with the cures for all of our problems and his cure must be taken with utmost devotion as his wisdom is further then ours here are his daily obligations to my best knowledge

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1. Going to the house of worship at dawn time and listening to the verses of God (if applicable to you if you have a house of worship near)
2. Recite the verses of God every morning and evening
3. Obligatory prayer and Alláh’u’Abhá 95x
4. Ask for forgiveness daily
5. Gratitude for everything and being able to recognise Bahá'u'lláh and given a chance for paradise
6.Bring yourself to a reckoning everyday to improve on the next day and forgive yourself for your sins once realised and given to God to forgive and a plan made up on how to avoid it or overcome it next time

Trailblazer this is what I do ..

Pray to Bahá'u'lláh to help me with all the issues im having and humbly state I'm willing to sacrifice everything to follow what his commands are from me and this should be done for many reasons one being for his beauty 'obey my commands for the love of my beauty' Bahá'u'lláh is the king of all kings and his wisdom is beyond all peoples we must be willing to sacrifice everything for him for these reasons however I feel Follow Bahá'u'lláh God sometimes tests you with hard trials which make you seem hopeless but if you keep praying and fulfilling all the obligations and keep striving you will get closer to God.

Detachment is key concept, if you want to be close to Bahá'u'lláh who is the King of All Kings you must remove all things you think are benefit to you which hinder you from being close to Bahá'u'lláh and following his commandments and this is a test in itself .. Somethings seem to make us think detaching this thing will bring us unhappiness however I think these things can be tests Bahá'u'lláh has great things in store for those who sacrifice but they aren't clear from the get go (maybe a test?). Nothing should be of anything more important to you then Bahá'u'lláh and his commands as they will bring us more happiness then anything else and much much more.

Teaching - which you are already doing which is excellent.

Pray pray and pray for yourself to be guided

Here are some prayers which confirm some of my beleifs what I have shared with you


O SON OF MAN! My calamity is My providence, outwardly it is fire and vengeance, but inwardly it is light and mercy. Hasten thereunto that thou mayest become an eternal light and an immortal spirit. This is My command unto thee, do thou observe it.


O SON OF SPIRIT! The spirit of holiness beareth unto thee the joyful tidings of reunion; wherefore dost thou 12 grieve? The spirit of power confirmeth thee in His cause; why dost thou veil thyself? The light of His countenance doth lead thee; how canst thou go astray?


O SON OF MAN! My majesty is My gift to thee, and My grandeur the token of My mercy unto thee. That which beseemeth Me none shall understand, nor can anyone recount. Verily, I have preserved it in My hidden storehouses and in the treasuries of My command, as a sign of My loving-kindness unto My servants and My mercy unto My people.

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This advice has not been given from me as I'm better or closer to God then you. I am but a man seeking to get close to Bahá'u'lláh maybe I can share something which may help you .. Trailblazer please message or post on this thread any other trouble you are having or anything which you would like me to elaborate on .. I will pray for you please pray for me .. Alláh’u’Abhá

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Old 12-23-2017, 09:12 PM   #16
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Hi please don't say such things, as such things may not be true however if you believe it to be true it's very humble from you as Abdul Baha tells the believers at feasts to think of other people's stations higher .. Also if you think that's true then please take motivation from it! Also if you believe me to be closer which may not be true this is my advice to you how I get closer to God who is invisible.

Firstly to get to God is is to get close to Bahá'u'lláh who came as a human (to a degree) as he actually said we will struggle to comprehend God therefore coming as a human is a gift to us! Therefore getting close to Bahá'u'lláh is getting close to God and Bahá'u'lláh came with a human station. You can try read the stories of Bahá'u'lláh and his greatness, you can imagine how he actually lived as a human but had this greatness about him which is directly getting closer to God.

My steps to get close to God or Bahá'u'lláh

Fulfill all the obligations which Bahá'u'lláh has set every single day without fail it should be the most important thing .. Bahá'u'lláh is the doctor with the cures for all of our problems and his cure must be taken with utmost devotion as his wisdom is further then ours here are his daily obligations to my best knowledge

.
1. Going to the house of worship at dawn time and listening to the verses of God (if applicable to you if you have a house of worship near)
2. Recite the verses of God every morning and evening
3. Obligatory prayer and Alláh’u’Abhá 95x
4. Ask for forgiveness daily
5. Gratitude for everything and being able to recognise Bahá'u'lláh and given a chance for paradise
6.Bring yourself to a reckoning everyday to improve on the next day and forgive yourself for your sins once realised and given to God to forgive and a plan made up on how to avoid it or overcome it next time

Trailblazer this is what I do ..

Pray to Bahá'u'lláh to help me with all the issues im having and humbly state I'm willing to sacrifice everything to follow what his commands are from me and this should be done for many reasons one being for his beauty 'obey my commands for love of my beauty' Bahá'u'lláh is the king of all kings and his wisdom is beyond all peoples we must be willing to sacrifice everything for him for these reasons however I feel Bahá'u'lláh sometimes tests you with hard trials which make you seem hopeless but if you keep praying and fulfilling all the obligations and keep striving you will get closer to God.

Detachment is key concept, if you want to be close to Bahá'u'lláh who is the King of All Kings you must remove all things you think are benefit to you which hinder you from being close to Bahá'u'lláh and this is a test in itself .. Somethings seem to make us think detaching this thing will bring us unhappiness however I think these things can be tests Bahá'u'lláh has great things in store for those who sacrifice but they aren't clear from the get go (maybe a test?). Nothing should be of anything more important to you then Bahá'u'lláh and his commands as they will bring us more happiness then anything else and much much more.

Teaching - which you are already doing which is excellent.

Pray pray and pray for yourself to be guided

Here are some prayers which confirm some of my beleifs what I have shared with you


O SON OF MAN! My calamity is My providence, outwardly it is fire and vengeance, but inwardly it is light and mercy. Hasten thereunto that thou mayest become an eternal light and an immortal spirit. This is My command unto thee, do thou observe it.


O SON OF SPIRIT! The spirit of holiness beareth unto thee the joyful tidings of reunion; wherefore dost thou 12 grieve? The spirit of power confirmeth thee in His cause; why dost thou veil thyself? The light of His countenance doth lead thee; how canst thou go astray?


O SON OF MAN! My majesty is My gift to thee, and My grandeur the token of My mercy unto thee. That which beseemeth Me none shall understand, nor can anyone recount. Verily, I have preserved it in My hidden storehouses and in the treasuries of My command, as a sign of My loving-kindness unto My servants and My mercy unto My people.
Thanks Yousefy2. I do what I can do but I do not do everything on your list. However, I spend about an hour saying prayers on my bike ride to work each day and I spend every waking hour on forums posting to people about God and Baha’u’llah, mostly nonbelievers and a couple of Christians and a couple of Jews. For the last five years that is all I do in my free time aside from work and sleep. I no longer have any interest in the material world of dust but unfortunately I have a lot of material things I have to deal with since we own three houses and we have two that we rent out. That has been stable for a long time but the tenants got behind on rent so owe us a lot of money. One tenant will probably stay and pay what he owes us, the others left this month and the house needs a lot of work to be rentable again so that will be a lot of money, and time away from my regular schedule. Alos, I will hve to file a lawsuit if they do not pay what they owe me. But we have to take care of it. This is a huge stress. We also have 11 Persian cats that we have to care for and that is a lot of work and expense, but my husband who is also a Baha’i takes care of most of that since he is retired.

It sounds like you are worshiping Baha’u’llah and not God. Is that because Baha’u’llah is the only way to know God? I probably should try to get closer to Baha’u’llah by learning more about His life and hardships but I am always too busy to have time to read... I only pray to God and worship God.

Sincerely, Trailblazer
 
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I will be pray for the ease of your stress and a solution to be found for you.
Is there any Remover of difficulties save God? Say: Praised be God! He is God! All are His servants, and all abide by His bidding!

Giving some money to the Bahá'í cause can be a means of hidden blessings to our wealth.

Bahá'u'lláh says he is God, but at the same time admits he is nobody but a servant in front of God. I have a dilemma and struggle with this concept so I'm not really the best person for this advise. I think it's okay to pray to Bahá'u'lláh to help you and it's also okay to pray directly to God but I think it's most effective to pray to God through Bahá'u'lláh. Some of my posts make it seem I worship Bahá'u'lláh but that's not what I try to do I try to worship God through Bahá'u'lláh but it's a tough topic I hope someone else can share their point of view

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Well, going through something very tough, I just stopped asking myself whether I was close to God or not. I just started having devotionals at my home. Then I told myself to stop engaging in introspection and started to do something that objectively was a good thing. We needed translations of the Writings into my mother tongue. So, I started working with translations. I did that for a few years, and the result was something like 1000 - 2000 pages. The job was done.

Now, we have those translations. That's an objective fact. Whether I am closer to God or not, I don't know, but I learned a lot. Now I use the insights gained from that job in my present occupation, trying to help little children that are mistreated by the social services and the legal system.

I've stopped caring about my own spiritual status. I'm absolutely happy with being a lost case. I just have a guiding line in my life, a quote by Bahá'u'lláh:

Love is a light that never dwelleth in a heart possessed by fear

And that really is the full story - the essence of my experience as a Bahá'í for forty years.

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Old 12-26-2017, 11:20 AM   #19
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Well, going through something very tough, I just stopped asking myself whether I was close to God or not. I just started having devotionals at my home. Then I told myself to stop engaging in introspection and started to do something that objectively was a good thing. We needed translations of the Writings into my mother tongue. So, I started working with translations. I did that for a few years, and the result was something like 1000 - 2000 pages. The job was done.

Now, we have those translations. That's an objective fact. Whether I am closer to God or not, I don't know, but I learned a lot. Now I use the insights gained from that job in my present occupation, trying to help little children that are mistreated by the social services and the legal system.

I've stopped caring about my own spiritual status. I'm absolutely happy with being a lost case. I just have a guiding line in my life, a quote by Bahá'u'lláh:

Love is a light that never dwelleth in a heart possessed by fear

And that really is the full story - the essence of my experience as a Bahá'í for forty years.

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The more we dwell on self, the more we put dross on the mirror and veil the unconstrained. Lamenting our shortcomings, is to dwell on our own selves.

The Angels of light stand ready to aid in each effort.

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The more we dwell on self, the more we put dross on the mirror and veil the unconstrained. Lamenting our shortcomings, is to dwell on our own selves.

The Angels of light stand ready to aid in each effort.

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Indeed. So many of us are in love with outselves. That's not a good idea. But to engage in self-bashing also leads nowhere. I find a lot of comfort in considering myself as

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Indeed. So many of us are in love with outselves. That's not a good idea. But to engage in self-bashing also leads nowhere. I find a lot of comfort in considering myself as

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I like the black in the eye of a dead ant.

Ha ha, We must try to serve more and more each day and each day bring oneself to account. Thus we live our life in wherever direction our choices leads us.

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Stop trying, just DO things. We try too much and do too little. gnat
I try too hard to do too much for others but God has just put up a road block.
Maybe I should take the hint and do something for myself. I don't really know.
 
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I try too hard to do too much for others but God has just put up a road block.
Maybe I should take the hint and do something for myself. I don't really know.
I wish I hadn't written the first sentence. It just came spontaneously.

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