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Old 12-24-2017, 01:22 PM   #1
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Pray to God or Bahá'u'lláh ?

I've read all the writings from the guardian on advice on being allowed to pray to Bahá'u'lláh or God.

I have a question is it acceptable to ask Bahá'u'lláh for forgiveness ? Does he have the power to forgive someone's sins or is that only God's?

I'm really struggling with the concept of praying to Bahá'u'lláh because if all power originates from God then does Bahá'u'lláh not have any power then we may aswell just pray to god but then again it's just all frustrating me a little bit

The hidden words which begins with 'My majesty is my Gift to Thee' is that about Bahá'u'lláh or God ?
 
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Old 12-24-2017, 03:25 PM   #2
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Another question is if the manifestations of God are perfect mirrors of God who reflect all of his attributes and we are also told we hold all of the attributes of God within us so if we can bring all these qualities out will we be similiar to the manifestations of God then? What makes us different at that stage
 
Old 12-25-2017, 07:49 AM   #3
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I have a question is it acceptable to ask Bahá'u'lláh for forgiveness ? Does he have the power to forgive someone's sins or is that only God's?
Yes, we can ask Baha'u'llah for forgiveness. I know this from the Gospel where Christ told someone who could not walk that all of his sins were forgiven. He said that the Son of Man has the power on earth to forgive sins.

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The hidden words which begins with 'My majesty is my Gift to Thee' is that about Bahá'u'lláh or God ?
My understanding of the Hidden Words is that God is speaking in them through Baha'u'llah. I may be wrong.
 
Old 12-25-2017, 07:52 AM   #4
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Another question is if the manifestations of God are perfect mirrors of God who reflect all of his attributes and we are also told we hold all of the attributes of God within us so if we can bring all these qualities out will we be similiar to the manifestations of God then? What makes us different at that stage
We can be similar, but unlike the Manifestation of God we cannot ever be perfect.
 
Old 12-25-2017, 08:08 AM   #5
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Very interesting example of Jesus forgiving sins! Very powerful
 
Old 12-25-2017, 09:44 AM   #6
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Are we able to worship Bahá'u'lláh ?
 
Old 12-25-2017, 08:26 PM   #7
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Are we able to worship Bahá'u'lláh ?
When we pray at the Shrine of Baha'u'llah we lay or forehead on the dust of that threshold given of God. The dust being exated above the knowledge of the learned and the praise that all glorify God with.

Praying to Bahá’u’lláh

"You have asked whether our prayers go beyond Bahá’u’lláh: It all depends whether we pray to Him directly or through Him to God. We may do both, and also can pray directly to God, but our prayers would certainly be more effective and illuminating if they are addressed to Him through His Manifestation, Bahá’u’lláh.
"Under no circumstances, however, can we, while repeating the prayers, insert the name Bahá’u’lláh where the word 'God' is used. This would be tantamount to a blasphemy."
(From a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer, October 14, 1937)

This has been discussed here - We as bahai's should worship God and God Alone.

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Old 12-26-2017, 12:29 PM   #8
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Are we able to worship Bahá'u'lláh ?
Depends what you mean by "worship".

"Worship" in the sense of giving praise and adoration and the honor we would normally give to God would be inappropriate and definitely isn't what any Manifestation would want us to do (I can't remember exactly where, but a part of the Quran definitively states that Manifestations don't want us to worship them in that manner).

However if by "worship" you mean in the sense of "prayer" asking for aid or guidance through intercession, that is another thing altogether. We can pray to deceased individuals, Manifestations, lesser prophets, etc. and ask them to pray for us or aid us just as we can ask any living person to pray for us or aid us.

The divide between the living and the dead is not as vast as most suppose.

Comparatively this would be like prayers the Catholics offer to Saints, asking for the Saint to aid or guide them.

From personal experience I can say I've seen results from asking for intercession from Jesus, Baha'u'llah, the Bab, Lao Tzu, Chuang Tzu, and a handful of my own ancestors, deceased relatives, and other saintly figures.
 
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