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Old 01-09-2018, 11:43 AM   #1
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Alláh’u’Abhá dear friends I have a question, So music is permissible, is it okay to listen to music where the authour and his lyrics are against the spirit of the faith and i even find myself disagreeing with the authour and laughing at his low mindedness but I am enjoying the music very much ? Any person with an input or opinion ?
 
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Old 01-09-2018, 12:02 PM   #2
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So the specific law in the Aqdas reads:

"We have made it lawful for you to listen to music and singing. Take heed, however, lest listening thereto should cause you to overstep the bounds of propriety and dignity. Let your joy be the joy born of My Most Great Name, a Name that bringeth rapture to the heart, and filleth with ecstasy the minds of all who have drawn nigh unto God. We, verily, have made music as a ladder for your souls, a means whereby they may be lifted up unto the realm on high; make it not, therefore, as wings to self and passion. Truly, We are loath to see you numbered with the foolish."

Now this is a law where Baha'u'llah explicitly stated that music is allowed, this mainly being due to the fact that mainstream Islam at the time (and now, in some parts, even) was under the assumption that music was blasphemous due to certain Hadith (despite the fact it is not mentioned in the Quran, and there are Hadith that explicitly state music is permitted).

So Baha'u'llah reiterates that music is allowed. But there is one caveat: "Take heed, however, lest listening thereto should cause you to overstep the bounds of propriety and dignity".

Now some might extrapolate that into a command not to listen to music with the kind of lyrics you are talking about, but I'd say that idea would be wrong.

I'd say, rather, the verse is fairly clear that as long as you don't allow the lyrical content to influence you negatively, then the music is permitted. So if you, as yousay "find [yourself] disagreeing with the authour and laughing at his low mindedness" then you are almost certainly safe.

I've got one of those bands too. Manowar. Wonderful music, wonderful composition, vibrant colors (my synesthesia talking), but the lyrics are ridiculous, violent, and over-the-top to the point of cheesiness. But no amount of listening to Manowar's excellent music will ever lead me to decide that taking up a sword and pillaging my neighbors is a good idea, no matter how many Manowar songs there may be that advocate such a thing. The lyrics are violent, yes, but so over-the-top no one could possibly take it seriously, and as long as you don't take the lyrics seriously, there's no way they could tempt you into wrong action.

Lyrics are only one dimension to music and music enjoyment after all, as you likely know if you listen to music to which you disagree with the lyrics. No reason you can't like the music for the sake of the music while either not liking the lyrics or finding them funny with how ridiculous they are.
 
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Thank you very much for your kind considerate reply. I thank you for opinion and help on this forum. May God bless you.
 
Old 01-09-2018, 04:12 PM   #4
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I'd say, rather, the verse is fairly clear that as long as you don't allow the lyrical content to influence you negatively, then the music is permitted. So if you, as yousay "find [yourself] disagreeing with the authour and laughing at his low mindedness" then you are almost certainly safe.
Personally I see that one should not listen to anything, or watch anything, or partake of anything that is not pure.

Again we must look at the guidance more holistically to become a new race of men. Purity of mind in all aspects of life is what we are asked to be, no less.

Yes it will take time, but it can be done and it must be done.

It is not until the Mind of man frees itself of all that is the old world, will we be able take a new one. This view is hard to accept in this day and age.

Tablet of Purity


Bahá'à Reference Library - Bahá’à World Faith—Selected Writings of Bahá’u’lláh and ‘Abdu’l-Bahá (‘Abdu’l-Bahá’s Section Only), Pages 333-336

Regards Tony

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Old 01-09-2018, 05:51 PM   #5
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And yet: In all matters moderation is desirable. If a thing is carried to excess, it will prove a source of evil.

We still have to live in this world.

And so does even

a

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Old 01-09-2018, 05:58 PM   #6
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And yet: In all matters moderation is desirable. If a thing is carried to excess, it will prove a source of evil.

We still have to live in this world.

And so does even

a

gnat
I ask with that quote how would one view a Martyr

The world has lost its moderation, are we are to set a new level of moderation?

It is like many experiences in life, what is moderate for a westerner is seen as extreme, lets say to one living in the Solomon Islands.

What is Moderation when we consider a poor person and one who is filthy rich?

To me it all comes back to the meditation.

"The good deeds of the righteous are the sins of the near ones".

I will again say, this is the challenge for all and the dangers of materialisim.

Regards Tony

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Old 01-09-2018, 06:25 PM   #7
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Music, whether moderate or not:

With buzzing regards

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Old 01-09-2018, 06:30 PM   #8
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Well this is great.



Regards Tony
 
Old 01-09-2018, 07:56 PM   #9
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Russian Orthodox Church music. According to tradition, some of the oldest hymns are the renderings of angelic singing in heaven.

Best, from a

gnat, who flies on less angelic wings

 
Old 01-10-2018, 03:24 AM   #10
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Personally I see that one should not listen to anything, or watch anything, or partake of anything that is not pure.

Again we must look at the guidance more holistically to become a new race of men. Purity of mind in all aspects of life is what we are asked to be, no less.

Yes it will take time, but it can be done and it must be done.

It is not until the Mind of man frees itself of all that is the old world, will we be able take a new one. This view is hard to accept in this day and age.

Tablet of Purity


Bahá'à Reference Library - Bahá’à World Faith—Selected Writings of Bahá’u’lláh and ‘Abdu’l-Bahá (‘Abdu’l-Bahá’s Section Only), Pages 333-336

Regards Tony
Thanks Tony you may have stated the truth, and if so that must be adhered to. Sometimes I struggle on finding what the truth of a matter is as there is always conflicting points however I will meditate but a pure mind is key for sure ..

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Old 01-10-2018, 06:29 AM   #11
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Personally I see that one should not listen to anything, or watch anything, or partake of anything that is not pure.
That's okay if that's how you wish to interpret "Take heed, however, lest listening thereto should cause you to overstep the bounds of propriety and dignity", but I'm personally uncomfortable with taking that loose of an interpretation of the words as plainly written.
 
Old 01-10-2018, 11:55 AM   #12
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Thanks Tony you may have stated the truth, and if so that must be adhered to. Sometimes I struggle on finding what the truth of a matter is as there is always conflicting points however I will meditate but a pure mind is key for sure ..
That is the way Yousedy2. Each of us must find our path and you know we are always here to iffer what we have found.

It is good that we all know that we all struggle to comprehend such a Universal Message.

That is unity in our diversity.

Regards Tony
 
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That is the way Yousedy2. Each of us must find our path and you know we are always here to iffer what we have found.

It is good that we all know that we all struggle to comprehend such a Universal Message.

That is unity in our diversity.

Regards Tony
Tony yes Bahá'u'lláhs revelation is an ocean and we are merely fish, thank you for all your support may God send his blessing your way and to all your loved ones.
 
Old 01-10-2018, 06:53 PM   #14
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I love all kinds of music....listen to it all the time. And, I love going dancing with my husband...waltzes, two steps, polkas. Many lyrics in country and rock are about drinking or relationships, but it will never make me overstep the bounds of propriety. Dancing affords me a wonderful opportunity to get healthy exercise and enjoy the company of my husband.
And music has always been a part of my life, just as God has. Not everybody expresses themselves in their music like Mozart, Shubert or Gillespie, but that doesn't mean we can't appreciate their efforts. Just cuz a drinking song comes on over the radio, doesn't mean I am going to pull over at the nearest bar. Enjoy your music, help others, pray, be happy, love God and all his Manifestations.........

Loving regards,
Becky
 
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