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Old 01-10-2018, 10:45 AM   #1
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Bahá'u'lláh Loneliness ?

Was Bahá'u'lláh ever lonely it sometimes seems it, and if he was fully reflecting Gods qualities what does that mean for God? But saying that maybe Bahá'u'lláh was above all human emotions and just did what he did to test humans.
If humans can reflect all the attributes of God can we achieve that in this life time? And will we still feel lonely ? Is loneliness an attribute of the spirit?
The feeling that I feel lonely is fine but the feeling that God is lonely is horrifying, and I don't think that's true it may just be me projecting my weakness to God.

I look forward to hearing some thoughts of yours on some on my thoughts

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Old 01-10-2018, 01:10 PM   #2
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I will search for quotes, but Baha'u'llah said many times that God does not need anything from humans. He is the Self-Subsisting, and while I like to think He takes pleasure in the fact that He created us, we are so utterly insignificant in the face of his vastness that even if all humans suddenly disappeared, God would be unfazed.

As for Baha'u'llah--I don't think he was above human emotions at all. His writings are filled with emotional turmoil, sometimes even despair. But he had an unshakable faith in God that helped him through the worst of times, and he never lost sight of his message.

I think it's hard to relate to Baha'u'llah when reading his writings in English because of the old-fashioned style they have been translated into. But if you are able to look beyond that, you may be able to see him as a real person, and relate to him in some ways. He faced a much more difficult life than I have, but knowing he is no stranger to suffering sometimes make my own troubles easier to bear.
 
Old 01-10-2018, 01:26 PM   #3
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Hi, the reason I put he is above human emotions is because of stories similiar to this one -

Why Do Manifestations Appear in Human Form?
Janaab-i-Muhammad Quli Khan-i-Nakha‘ee, was an influential and rich local man, who believed in Bahá’u’lláh, and lived in Khusef which is part of Birjand. As a result of his acceptance of the Faith, most of his relatives also became Bahá’ís. This Janaab-i-Nakha‘ee went on pilgrimage to Akka to attain the presence of His Holiness Bahá’u’lláh. On his first and second visit to Bahá’u’lláh, he was accompanied by other pilgrims, but when he returned to the pilgrim house, he thought to himself that he had borne the hardships and difficulties of a long journey that had lasted six months, hoping to witness some extraordinary Divine events, but he saw in Bahá’u’lláh a man like others, speaking and giving instructions similar to other men. “There is perhaps nothing extraordinary or miraculous here,” he thought. He was immersed in these thoughts when on the third day of their visit, one of the servants came and informed him that Bahá’u’lláh wanted to see him alone and unaccompanied. He immediately went to the presence of the Blessed Beauty and as he lifted the curtain and entered His room, he bowed and instantly saw the Blessed Beauty as an incredibly bright and dazzling Light. So intense was his experience of this Light that he fell to the floor and lost consciousness. All that he recalled is Bahá’u’lláh saying: “fee Amanil‘lah” which means go in God’s safe keeping.” The servants were able to drag him to the corridor and subsequently brought him to the pilgrim house. He could not eat or sleep for two days after that event and he was conscious of Bahá’u’lláh’s overwhelming Presence everywhere. He kept on telling the other pilgrims that He is here with us. His fellow pilgrims got tired of this and asked ‘Abdu’l-Bahá for help. After couple of days, the servant came back again and took him to Bahá’u’lláh’s presence. When he attained His presence, He poured forth loving kindness and gracious utterances and bade him to be seated. Then Bahá’u’lláh said: “Janaab-i-Muhammad Quli Khan! The Manifestations of the Divine Essence are forced to appear in human attire and clothes. If Their true Being, that which is behind the veil of concealment were to be revealed, then all humanity like your good self will lose consciousness and swoon away to the realm of the unconscious.” Then Bahá’u’lláh went on: “Do you know how parrots are taught to speak?” I bowed and said: “I do not know”. Bahá’u’lláh explained: “The parrot owners have a parrot within a cage. Then they bring a big mirror in front of the cage and a man hides himself behind the mirror and starts repeating words and phrases. The parrot sees that there is another parrot identical to itself talking in the cage (reflected in the mirror) and imagining that it is another parrot that is doing the talking it too starts mimicking and learns to speak. Now, if the person who is actually behind the mirror were to reveal himself from the start, then the parrot will never learn to speak. It is thus that the Manifestations of the Divine Being should come into the world in human form and attire so that They will not frighten mankind with Their awesome Being...” This man was utterly transformed and on his return from attaining Bahá’u’lláh’s presence to the end of his days, he was engaged in teaching others. He had attained such spiritual insight that he predicted the night of his own departure from this earthly realm.
(Hadi Rahmani Shirazi)
 
Old 01-10-2018, 03:36 PM   #4
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Was Bahá'u'lláh ever lonely it sometimes seems it, and if he was fully reflecting Gods qualities what does that mean for God? But saying that maybe Bahá'u'lláh was above all human emotions and just did what he did to test humans.
If humans can reflect all the attributes of God can we achieve that in this life time? And will we still feel lonely ? Is loneliness an attribute of the spirit?
The feeling that I feel lonely is fine but the feeling that God is lonely is horrifying, and I don't think that's true it may just be me projecting my weakness to God.

I look forward to hearing some thoughts of yours on some on my thoughts
Maybe this part of Iqan is related:


"In the early days of Our arrival in this land, when We discerned the signs of impending events, We decided, ere they happened, to retire. We betook Ourselves to the wilderness, and there, separated and alone, led for two years a life of complete solitude. From Our eyes there rained tears of anguish, and in Our bleeding heart there surged an ocean of agonizing pain. Many a night We had no food for sustenance, and many a day Our body found no rest. By Him Who hath My being between His hands! notwithstanding these showers of afflictions and unceasing calamities, Our soul was wrapt in blissful joy, and Our whole being evinced an ineffable gladness. For in Our solitude We were unaware of the harm or benefit, the health or ailment, of any soul. Alone, We communed with Our spirit, oblivious of the world and all that is therein. We knew not, however, that the mesh of divine destiny exceedeth the vastest of mortal conceptions, and the dart of His decree transcendeth the boldest of human designs. None can escape the snares He setteth, and no soul can find release except through submission to His will. By the righteousness of God! Our withdrawal contemplated no return, and Our separation hoped for no reunion. The one object of Our retirement was to avoid becoming a subject of discord among the
faithful, a source of disturbance unto Our companions, the means of injury to any soul, or the cause of sorrow to any heart."


What is noteworthy is Bahaullah in His loneliness communed with His Spirit. Normally people try to pray to God, instead of their own spirit.
 
Old 01-10-2018, 05:05 PM   #5
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This question brought to my mind The Fire Tablet, which holds many meanings, most of which are a mystery to one of my limited understanding. Here is a quotation I feel to be relevant:

"This Youth is lonely in a desolate land: Where is the rain of Thy heavenly grace, O Bestower of the worlds?

O Supreme Pen, We have heard Thy most sweet call in the eternal realm: Give Thou ear unto what the Tongue of Grandeur uttereth, O Wronged One of the worlds?

Were it not for the cold, how would the heat of Thy words prevail, O Expounder of the worlds?

Were it not for calamity, how would the sun of Thy patience shine, O Light of the worlds?

Lament not because of the wicked. Thou wert created to bear and endure, O Patience of the worlds.

How sweet was Thy dawning on the horizon of the Covenant among the stirrers of sedition, and Thy yearning after God, O Love of the worlds.

By Thee the banner of independence was planted on the highest peaks, and the sea of bounty surged, O Rapture of the worlds.

By Thine aloneness the Sun of Oneness shone, and by Thy banishment the land of Unity was adorned. Be patient, O Thou Exile of the worlds"

(Compilations, Baha'i Prayers, p. 217)
 
Old 01-11-2018, 10:45 AM   #6
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Maybe this text could answer your question. There have been studies presented, which show that Bahá'u'lláh's texts reveal several modes of revelation. Sometimes, He is the human who speaks to God, sometimes He is the voice of God speaking to us:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...TQc5yENJ5w/pub

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Old 01-11-2018, 12:50 PM   #7
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What is noteworthy is Bahaullah in His loneliness communed with His Spirit. Normally people try to pray to God, instead of their own spirit.


As Baha'u'llah is born of the Holy Spirit, is not praying to His Spirit prayer to God.

Likewise when we connect our spirit to the Spirit of Faith in Baha'u'llah, are not our prayers to God?

My idea is that all prayer is directed within, to that source.

Personally all loneliness and seperation from God mentioned in scriputre by the Manifestations, is but ours to overcome. It is clothed in Words that are a gift of understanding for us.

Regards Tony

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Old 01-12-2018, 06:37 AM   #8
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Can anyone truly be lonely if they have the knowledge that God is omnipresent??
 
Old 01-12-2018, 02:22 PM   #9
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Can anyone truly be lonely if they have the knowledge that God is omnipresent??
A beautiful sentiment and the head and the heart both know that He is everywhere in everything and everyone around us. Many hermits, highly spiritual mystics sought solitude in order to better commune with God. I'm neither mystic nor hermit , just a man, and I'm desperately lonely and long for companionship
 
Old 01-12-2018, 02:36 PM   #10
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A beautiful sentiment and the head and the heart both know that He is everywhere in everything and everyone around us. Many hermits, highly spiritual mystics sought solitude in order to better commune with God. I'm neither mystic nor hermit , just a man, and I'm desperately lonely and long for companionship

Aidan I'm always available for a chat you can PM me for my email or something of the like .. May God illumine your heart
 
Old 01-12-2018, 02:37 PM   #11
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A beautiful sentiment and the head and the heart both know that He is everywhere in everything and everyone around us. Many hermits, highly spiritual mystics sought solitude in order to better commune with God. I'm neither mystic nor hermit , just a man, and I'm desperately lonely and long for companionship
I hope you find that gift of a companion that will share your life.

Regards Tony
 
Old 02-09-2018, 10:32 PM   #12
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The veils of self deprive the body and mind of the Best Beloved.

"O Son of Light
Forget all save Me and commune with My spirit, this is of the essence of My command,
therefore turn unto it."

Know of a certainty that mankind in this world is like a single connected matrix of pearls of light ... To judge any soul, even oneself, puts you at risk of depriving yourself of those living waters of light and the Spirit of Revelation is One and the Fountainhead, appearing in Their human attire in every age ... Therefore turn to God's Light and commune and do not let go of the struggle to rid yourself of judgement of any soul, even yourself by God's forgiveness ... Do not distract yourself with anything until you have supplicated to the point of pliability to God's Light which is love and Union.

"O Son of Man
The true lover yearneth for tribulation
even as doth the rebel for forgiveness
and the sinful for mercy."
 
Old 02-09-2018, 10:55 PM   #13
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I will search for quotes, but Baha'u'llah said many times that God does not need anything from humans. He is the Self-Subsisting, and while I like to think He takes pleasure in the fact that He created us, we are so utterly insignificant in the face of his vastness that even if all humans suddenly disappeared, God would be unfazed.
“And now concerning thy reference to the existence of two Gods. Beware, beware, lest thou be led to join partners with the Lord, thy God. He is, and hath from everlasting been, one and alone, without peer or equal, eternal in the past, eternal in the future, detached from all things, ever-abiding, unchangeable, and self-subsisting. He hath assigned no associate unto Himself in His Kingdom, no counsellor to counsel Him, none to compare unto Him, none to rival His glory. To this every atom of the universe beareth witness, and beyond it the inmates of the realms on high, they that occupy the most exalted seats, and whose names are remembered before the Throne of Glory.

Bear thou witness in thine inmost heart unto this testimony which God hath Himself and for Himself pronounced, that there is none other God but Him, that all else besides Him have been created by His behest, have been fashioned by His leave, are subject to His law, are as a thing forgotten when compared to the glorious evidences of His oneness, and are as nothing when brought face to face with the mighty revelations of His unity.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 192-193

“This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future. Let him that seeketh, attain it; and as to him that hath refused to seek it—verily, God is Self-Sufficient, above any need of His creatures.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 136

“Consider the mercy of God and His gifts. He enjoineth upon you that which shall profit you, though He Himself can well dispense with all creatures.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 140

“Your Lord, the God of mercy, can well dispense with all creatures. Nothing whatever can either increase or diminish the things He doth possess. If ye believe, to your own behoof will ye believe; and if ye believe not, ye yourselves will suffer.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 148
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As for Baha'u'llah--I don't think he was above human emotions at all. His writings are filled with emotional turmoil, sometimes even despair. But he had an unshakable faith in God that helped him through the worst of times, and he never lost sight of his message.
“Who can ever believe that this Servant of God hath at any time cherished in His heart a desire for any earthly honor or benefit? The Cause associated with His Name is far above the transitory things of this world. Behold Him, an exile, a victim of tyranny, in this Most Great Prison. His enemies have assailed Him on every side, and will continue to do so till the end of His life. Whatever, therefore, He saith unto you is wholly for the sake of God, that haply the peoples of the earth may cleanse their hearts from the stain of evil desire, may rend its veil asunder, and attain unto the knowledge of the one true God—the most exalted station to which any man can aspire. Their belief or disbelief in My Cause can neither profit nor harm Me. We summon them wholly for the sake of God. He, verily, can afford to dispense with all creatures.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 85

“Incline your ears to the counsels which this Servant giveth you for the sake of God. He, verily, asketh no recompense from you and is resigned to what God hath ordained for Him, and is entirely submissive to God’s Will.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 127
 
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