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Old 01-14-2018, 03:41 PM   #1
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Krishna- Reincarnation - Bhagavad Gita

The Bhagavad Gita is clear on reincarnation, and Bahá'u'lláh in the Iqan says the bible is not corrupted why would God allow his works to be corrupted. As a Bahá'í what Should be my view on the Bhagavad Gita I can't quite understand how to accept how clear it is on re incarnation

'Not here and not hereafter does he die, for men of good will meet no adverse fate though having failed to follow yogas path he reaches worlds where virtuous creatures dwell and after many years in that abode he finds another prosperous home amongst a noble family here on earth or even in a family of the wise though such a birth is rare indeed to win'
 
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Old 01-14-2018, 11:13 PM   #2
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The Bhagavad Gita is clear on reincarnation, and Bahá'u'lláh in the Iqan says the bible is not corrupted why would God allow his works to be corrupted. As a Bahá'í what Should be my view on the Bhagavad Gita I can't quite understand how to accept how clear it is on re incarnation

'Not here and not hereafter does he die, for men of good will meet no adverse fate though having failed to follow yogas path he reaches worlds where virtuous creatures dwell and after many years in that abode he finds another prosperous home amongst a noble family here on earth or even in a family of the wise though such a birth is rare indeed to win'
Baha'u'llah himself did not ever talk about reincarnation. Abdu'l-Baha wrote a treatise against reincarnation, however. So many Baha'i are against reincarnation since it was written by Abdu'l-Baha.

On the flip side of this, I personally have a very different belief on the matter, as a former Sikh. I think that reincarnation is very much valid, as Abdu'l-Baha is only infallible when interpreting the words of Baha'u'llah, and since Baha'u'llah did not speak on reincarnation, he is not infallible when it comes to this topic. The way I personally view it in a Baha'i way, is that reincarnation simply doesn't matter anymore because Baha'u'llah has nullified it in a way. In order to break the cycle of reincarnation, one must harmonize with God, and to do that, you must understand His message. It practically says in Gems of Divine Mysteries that if one understands Gems, they understand God's message. Thus, Gems (Though of course, one of many, many different ways) has nullified the reincarnation cycle. If one understands it, you will understand God's message, and thus not be reincarnated. My rationale that, even if it did exist, or even if it doesn't - it doesn't matter anymore.

I think that for the most part, most religious texts are true - it is just their interpretations that are corrupted. I've spent a long time interpreting the Srimad-Bhagavatam through a Baha'i lens, for example. I view it as true, but if something seems to conflict, it is likely just that the regular interpretation, or the way I personally am interpreting the text, is not correct, and so I try to interpret it other ways. I am sure the same concept could be applied to the Bhagavad Gita.

This is all just my take. Hope you are having an amazing time wherever you are
 
Old 01-15-2018, 02:41 AM   #3
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Baha'u'llah himself did not ever talk about reincarnation. Abdu'l-Baha wrote a treatise against reincarnation, however. So many Baha'i are against reincarnation since it was written by Abdu'l-Baha.

On the flip side of this, I personally have a very different belief on the matter, as a former Sikh. I think that reincarnation is very much valid, as Abdu'l-Baha is only infallible when interpreting the words of Baha'u'llah, and since Baha'u'llah did not speak on reincarnation, he is not infallible when it comes to this topic. The way I personally view it in a Baha'i way, is that reincarnation simply doesn't matter anymore because Baha'u'llah has nullified it in a way. In order to break the cycle of reincarnation, one must harmonize with God, and to do that, you must understand His message. It practically says in Gems of Divine Mysteries that if one understands Gems, they understand God's message. Thus, Gems (Though of course, one of many, many different ways) has nullified the reincarnation cycle. If one understands it, you will understand God's message, and thus not be reincarnated. My rationale that, even if it did exist, or even if it doesn't - it doesn't matter anymore.

I think that for the most part, most religious texts are true - it is just their interpretations that are corrupted. I've spent a long time interpreting the Srimad-Bhagavatam through a Baha'i lens, for example. I view it as true, but if something seems to conflict, it is likely just that the regular interpretation, or the way I personally am interpreting the text, is not correct, and so I try to interpret it other ways. I am sure the same concept could be applied to the Bhagavad Gita.

This is all just my take. Hope you are having an amazing time wherever you are

I see the original teachings would have supported what Baha'u'llah and Abdul'baha has said.

I also see that a constant cycle in this life, of being born in certitude of Faith and death in neglect of that Faith could be the original intent.

On another forum this is a reply losted on that subject;


In this life we are Born and we die, this is the reality of this life, it results in death Thus looking at this life spiritually, all that is of this world is death. We take nothing of it to our grave but the body, which then returns to where it came from, the earth.

In this life we are offered a path to our Spiritual Discovery. To find out that Spirit is our true Life, this is rebirth.

Once found and knowledge is gained of what is required, that spiritual existence requires the maintaining of the vitals of that existence, by implementing that knowledge. If we do not, we die spiritually.

I can look back at the turning points in my Spiritual Journey and say that when the vitals were not maintained, I returned to this world of death. Each time it required a rebirth to the Spirit of Faith and a renewed effort to maintain the vitals of Faith.

I see this as why God says that no person can be exalted over another, as no one knows their end and when and how it will be. Will it be at a time when spiritual death is also practiced, or will it be at a time when rebirth has confirmed Faith. Thus we are told;

"...He should forgive the sinful, and never despise his low estate, for none knoweth what his own end shall be. How often hath a sinner attained, at the hour of death, to the essence of faith, and, quaffing the immortal draught, hath taken his flight unto the Concourse on high! And how often hath a devout believer, at the hour of his soul’s ascension, been so changed as to fall into the nethermost fire!"
(Bahá’u’lláh, Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 265)

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Thanks for the input guys, I'm going to answer my own question a little over here because somebody on another platform had said to me that previous manifestations may have taught reincarnation but that was because that's what we needed back then or that's what we were capable of comprehending .. He also said that the Bhagavad Gita may not be what Krishna taught so these points also make sense to me .. Alláh’u’Abhá
 
Old 01-15-2018, 05:17 AM   #5
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I have heard it argued that the use of "reincarnation" in former religions was a way of explaining the progress of the soul in a way people could understand and that how a life is lived in this world affects one's station in the next world.

What I do not understand is if the next life is the only next life or if there is some sort of progression. It seems we are not meant to fully understand the true nature of the next life but are given information on how to prepare it (getting to know God, living a good life etc).
 
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One thing to keep in mind is that Krishna is a very old prophet. Krishna and Arjuna both seem to appear in a huge amount of European religions as well, which probably indicates that Krishna originates from the Proto-Indo-Europeans, the people who are the ancestors of the Europeans, Persians, and Indians.

Across many different European religions the story of two divine twins, one a herdsman and one a warrior, is told and it is believed by anthropologists that these stories have common origin which, if true, essentially means that in recognition of Krishna as a Manifestation of God, the Baha'i Faith also recognizes the divine origin of several European pagan religions.

Which would raise the question of: Which religion has a clearer view of ancient Krishna?? Do the Hindu texts about Krishna or the Latvian songs about the Dieva Dēli paint a more accurate picture of the Manifestation?? I don't think it is possible to know the answer, at this time.

But out of all the different Proto-Indo-European religions in which these divine twins appear, only the Indian versions of the story have a belief in reincarnation, which would imply either the Indians adopted the belief in reincarnation, or the Persians and Europeans dropped a belief in reincarnation, as the PIE peoples spread out across the world.
 
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