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Old 01-19-2018, 05:34 PM   #1
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What to pray about?: let's have a conversation.

You know in this faith we have so many prayers written by the central figures of the faith and we can say prayers in our own words. But sometimes I ask what exactly to pray for? How do we know if our prayers are appropriate, right or worng? I would probably think that it would be unwise to "pray" for another human being's demise. So what really do we pray for?

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Old 01-19-2018, 06:03 PM   #2
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haha, I stopped praying for anything specific years ago.

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Old 01-19-2018, 06:16 PM   #3
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I like to pray only to express my gratitude and my thankfulness. I no longer pray for certain things or events to happen or not to happen because, in the grand scheme of things, I don't know what's good for me or for others. That's why I just like to thank God for all that is.
 
Old 01-19-2018, 06:24 PM   #4
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You know in this faith we have so many prayers written by the central figures of the faith and we can say prayers in our own words. But sometimes I ask what exactly to pray for? How do we know if our prayers are appropriate, right or worng? I would probably think that it would be unwise to "pray" for another human being's demise. So what really do we pray for?

Any thoughts
Hello, I am new to the Baha'i faith. As I am learning we should distance ourselves from evil and hatred and worldly passions. Praying for another persons demise would be evil. That is wrong we should never do that. Instead replace evil with good! Replace hatred with love! Replace anger with tender-heartedness! This religion is really changing my life and having a positive impact on it. You should pray for that human being to see the light of love and forgiveness.
 
Old 01-19-2018, 09:19 PM   #5
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Thanks for your thoughts. I just decided to to ask the topic because everyday of our lives we're always going to need God's help. But sometimes we don't know exactly where to tread. We need God's guidance in our day to day lives. I guess that's why as baha'is we strive to say the obligatory prayer every day.
 
Old 01-19-2018, 10:05 PM   #6
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Thanks for your thoughts. I just decided to to ask the topic because everyday of our lives we're always going to need God's help. But sometimes we don't know exactly where to tread. We need God's guidance in our day to day lives. I guess that's why as baha'is we strive to say the obligatory prayer every day.
Yes the Obligatory Prayers are our spiritual life.

Given the scope that we pray for I now use two simple prayers very often.

"Say: God sufficeth all things above all things, and nothing in the heavens or in the earth but God sufficeth. Verily, He is in Himself the Knower, the Sustainer, the Omnipotent." The Báb

"Is there any Remover of difficulties save God? Say: Praised be God! He is God! All are His servants, and all abide by His bidding!" The Báb

I think the best prayer for all is that that 'May Gods will be done for all Humanity".

The prayers noted as having spiritual significance are also a good choice when the need arises. (That could be daily)

Regards Tony
 
Old 01-19-2018, 10:45 PM   #7
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Yes the Obligatory Prayers are our spiritual life.

Given the scope that we pray for I now use two simple prayers very often.

"Say: God sufficeth all things above all things, and nothing in the heavens or in the earth but God sufficeth. Verily, He is in Himself the Knower, the Sustainer, the Omnipotent." The Báb

"Is there any Remover of difficulties save God? Say: Praised be God! He is God! All are His servants, and all abide by His bidding!" The Báb

I think the best prayer for all is that that 'May Gods will be done for all Humanity".

The prayers noted as having spiritual significance are also a good choice when the need arises. (That could be daily)

Regards Tony
Do we say the obligatory prayers three times a day? We are required to do this as part of our religion right? I'm new to the faith that is why I am asking.
 
Old 01-19-2018, 10:50 PM   #8
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I found it online! We can say the short prayer once a day. Or the medium prayer three times a day. Or the long prayer once a day. The way I understood it was that we needed to say either the small, medium or large prayers daily. And we are free to choose. Am I correct?

The Obligatory Prayers
 
Old 01-20-2018, 12:03 AM   #9
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I found it online! We can say the short prayer once a day. Or the medium prayer three times a day. Or the long prayer once a day. The way I understood it was that we needed to say either the small, medium or large prayers daily. And we are free to choose. Am I correct?

The Obligatory Prayers
Yes we are free to choose either one of those 3 prayers.

Another good thing to know is that the recitation of the Greatest Name Allah'u'abha 95 times per day. This also requires the washing of Hands and face 3 times prior ro offering them. We can use the same ablution if we say them at the time we offer the Obligatory Prayer.

As I work, I have chosen to do these early morning prior to my dawn prayer. I find this sets one up with the right mindset for the day ahead.

Regards Tony
 
Old 01-20-2018, 12:25 AM   #10
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Yes the Obligatory Prayers are our spiritual life.

Given the scope that we pray for I now use two simple prayers very often.

"Say: God sufficeth all things above all things, and nothing in the heavens or in the earth but God sufficeth. Verily, He is in Himself the Knower, the Sustainer, the Omnipotent." The Báb

"Is there any Remover of difficulties save God? Say: Praised be God! He is God! All are His servants, and all abide by His bidding!" The Báb

I think the best prayer for all is that that 'May Gods will be done for all Humanity".

The prayers noted as having spiritual significance are also a good choice when the need arises. (That could be daily)

Regards Tony
Thanks for your thoughts tony.
 
Old 01-20-2018, 09:09 AM   #11
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Allaho Abha dear od19g6be

I like this question you have asked, because for a long time I,too, had thought about it, and analyzed it as far as my brain could go.

So now I think the best prayer we can ever say is to ask God for understanding, so that He will open our eyes to see the reality of all things. Bahaullah, in Hidden Words, says:

"O Son of Spirit!The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice..."

and He explains that Justice means to be able to see with our own eyes and to hear with our own ears. If that is the most beloved of all things in Bahaullah's sight, then we must strive to attain it, and prayers will assuredly help us. I read tonight in a prayer in Gleanings that Bahaullah says you must be detached from all things except for My beauty (these are His words as I remember). so we must never think we can do anything without His help.

There is also a beautiful story about Solomon. Once God wanted to reward Solomon and thus He asked Solomon "What do you want Me to give you?Do you wish to have the whole wealth on earth?or the rule over all parts of earth?or eternal life?" Solomon thought for a while, then he answered:
"I do not want wealth because it will end someday; so if the worldly kingship. I do not want the eternal life either, because eternal life without enough knowledge and insight will be painful. what I want, instead, is "open eyes to ponder about all things, to understand the meaning of all things and happenings as they really are. I want Wisdom."
Then God said to him, "You asked for the best thing. if you had asked for any of the things I suggested, I would have given that to you, and soon that would have perished. But now I give you Wisdom, and with Wisdom, you can also have all the other things I suggested."

to make it short, I guess the best prayer is to ask for wisdom, and also to ask God to help us stay strong at times of tests.
 
Old 01-20-2018, 10:43 AM   #12
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I guess the best prayer is to ask for wisdom, and also to ask God to help us stay strong at times of tests.
Allah'u'abha Maryamr, great to hear from you. I have been hoping all is good for you.

Regards Tony
 
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Allah'u'abha Maryamr, great to hear from you. I have been hoping all is good for you.

Regards Tony
Allaho Abha Tony

Thank you so much for having been concerned about my safety I am fine. the thing is, my knowledge of the faith is not as deep and as good as you and other members of the forum, so most often when I come and take a look, I stay silent to learn from you. So thank you for having helped me so far. I wish the best for you.

P.S: do you have any news from Bill? is he fine?
 
Old 01-20-2018, 10:55 AM   #14
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Allaho Abha dear od19g6be

I like this question you have asked, because for a long time I,too, had thought about it, and analyzed it as far as my brain could go.

So now I think the best prayer we can ever say is to ask God for understanding, so that He will open our eyes to see the reality of all things. Bahaullah, in Hidden Words, says:

"O Son of Spirit!The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice..."

and He explains that Justice means to be able to see with our own eyes and to hear with our own ears. If that is the most beloved of all things in Bahaullah's sight, then we must strive to attain it, and prayers will assuredly help us. I read tonight in a prayer in Gleanings that Bahaullah says you must be detached from all things except for My beauty (these are His words as I remember). so we must never think we can do anything without His help.

There is also a beautiful story about Solomon. Once God wanted to reward Solomon and thus He asked Solomon "What do you want Me to give you?Do you wish to have the whole wealth on earth?or the rule over all parts of earth?or eternal life?" Solomon thought for a while, then he answered:
"I do not want wealth because it will end someday; so if the worldly kingship. I do not want the eternal life either, because eternal life without enough knowledge and insight will be painful. what I want, instead, is "open eyes to ponder about all things, to understand the meaning of all things and happenings as they really are. I want Wisdom."
Then God said to him, "You asked for the best thing. if you had asked for any of the things I suggested, I would have given that to you, and soon that would have perished. But now I give you Wisdom, and with Wisdom, you can also have all the other things I suggested."

to make it short, I guess the best prayer is to ask for wisdom, and also to ask God to help us stay strong at times of tests.
Allah-u-abha.

We can never do anything without God's help.

Thanks for your thoughts maryamr.
 
Old 01-20-2018, 10:59 AM   #15
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We can never do anything without God's help.
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JUST agree
 
Old 01-20-2018, 08:40 PM   #16
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Yes we are free to choose either one of those 3 prayers.

Another good thing to know is that the recitation of the Greatest Name Allah'u'abha 95 times per day. This also requires the washing of Hands and face 3 times prior ro offering them. We can use the same ablution if we say them at the time we offer the Obligatory Prayer.

As I work, I have chosen to do these early morning prior to my dawn prayer. I find this sets one up with the right mindset for the day ahead.

Regards Tony
Is the greatest name said 95 times per day every single day? After we offer the obligatory prayer?
 
Old 01-20-2018, 09:28 PM   #17
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haha, I stopped praying for anything specific years ago.

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Me too. I cite the following two prayers for about an hour a day, but I never ask for anything... I just want the pain to stop but He doeth whatsoever He willeth...

Say: God sufficeth all things above all things, and nothing in the heavens or in the earth but God sufficeth. Verily, He is in Himself the Knower, the Sustainer, the Omnipotent.
The Báb

Is there any Remover of difficulties save God? Say: Praised be God! He is God! All are His servants, and all abide by His bidding!
The Báb
 
Old 01-20-2018, 09:32 PM   #18
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I like to pray only to express my gratitude and my thankfulness. I no longer pray for certain things or events to happen or not to happen because, in the grand scheme of things, I don't know what's good for me or for others. That's why I just like to thank God for all that is.
I agree... we don't know, only God knows.
 
Old 01-20-2018, 09:40 PM   #19
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We can never do anything without God's help.
“Now another question arises. Man is absolutely helpless and dependent, since might and power belong especially to God. Both exaltation and humiliation depend upon the good pleasure and the will of the Most High.

It is said in the New Testament that God is like a potter who makes “one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour.” 1 Now the dishonored vessel has no right to find fault with the potter saying, “Why did you not make me a precious cup, which is passed from hand to hand?” The meaning of this verse is that the states of beings are different. That which is in the lowest state of existence, like the mineral, has no right to complain, saying, “O God, why have You not given me the vegetable perfections?” In the same way, the plant has no right to complain that it has been deprived of the perfections of the animal world. Also it is not befitting for the animal to complain of the want of the human perfections. No, all these things are perfect in their own degree, and they must strive after the perfections of their own degree. The inferior beings, as we have said, have neither the right to, nor the fitness for, the states of the superior perfections. No, their progress must be in their own state.

Also the inaction or the movement of man depend upon the assistance of God. If he is not aided, he is not able to do either good or evil. But when the help of existence comes from the Generous Lord, he is able to do both good and evil; but if the help is cut off, he remains absolutely helpless. This is why in the Holy Books they speak of the help and assistance of God. So this condition is like that of a ship which is moved by the power of the wind or steam; if this power ceases, the ship cannot move at all. Nevertheless, the rudder of the ship turns it to either side, and the power of the steam moves it in the desired direction. If it is directed to the east, it goes to the east; or if it is directed to the west, it goes to the west. This motion does not come from the ship; no, it comes from the wind or the steam.”
Some Answered Questions, pp. 248-249
 
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