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Old 02-19-2018, 06:03 PM   #1
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Is the Bahai faith just another sect of Islam?

 
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Old 02-19-2018, 06:11 PM   #2
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No, the Baha'i Faith is a different religion, which appeared within a Muslim society, but is intended for the whole world, uniting East and West. Just as Christianity arose within a Jewish society but is not Jewish, the Baha'i Faith is not a sect of Islam.
 
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The Bahá'í Faith has its own sacred writings and its own laws revealed by Bahá'u'lláh in the Kitab-i Aqdas. That is to say, the Bahá'ís have their own law and do not follow the Sharia of the Qur'an. Therefore, the Bahá'í Faith is an independent religion.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 12:08 AM   #4
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Bahai is to Islam as Gnosticism is Christianity.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 05:42 AM   #5
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Bahai is to Islam as Gnosticism is Christianity.
But Gnosticism was in fact a sect of Christianity although denying some of its core beliefs. The comparison with Judaism and Christianity is more adequate.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 05:49 AM   #6
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Depends on the definition of "sect". And "Islam".

Personally I think based on the Baha'i belief in Unity of Religion, I don't think there much question about whether things are sects or religions. We're all part of One Worldwide Religion. What specific labels people choose to try to divide and categorize are of no consequence to the reality of oneness.

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Old 02-20-2018, 06:02 PM   #7
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I will offer to this thread the following words of Bahá'u'lláh:

"It is evident that every age in which a Manifestation of God hath lived is divinely ordained, and may, in a sense, be characterized as God's appointed Day. This Day, however, is unique, and is to be distinguished from those that have preceded it. The designation "Seal of the Prophets" fully revealeth its high station. The Prophetic Cycle hath, verily, ended. The Eternal Truth is now come. He hath lifted up the Ensign of Power, and is now shedding upon the world the unclouded splendor of His Revelation."

(Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, XXV)

"Immerse yourselves in the ocean of My words, that ye may unravel its secrets, and discover all the pearls of wisdom that lie hid in its depths. Take heed that ye do not vacillate in your determination to embrace the truth of this Cause—a Cause through which the potentialities of the might of God have been revealed, and His sovereignty established. With faces beaming with joy, hasten ye unto Him. This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future. Let him that seeketh, attain it; and as to him that hath refused to seek it—verily, God is Self-Sufficient, above any need of His creatures."

(Kitab-i-Aqdas, verse 182)

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Old 02-22-2018, 07:49 PM   #8
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But Gnosticism was in fact a sect of Christianity although denying some of its core beliefs. The comparison with Judaism and Christianity is more adequate.
Gnosticism a sect of Christianity? No. A religion which takes elements of the former and radically reworks them into a different set of ideas and practices? Yes.

Basically the Bahai is a radically liberalised/reinterpreted form of Islam.
 
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Basically the Bahai is a radically liberalised/reinterpreted form of Islam.
No, it isn't. We have our own prophet, own scriptures, own calendar, own feasts and holidays and our own theology. We have roots in Islam, yes, but we are not Muslims.
 
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No, it isn't. We have our own prophet, own scriptures, own calendar, own feasts and holidays and our own theology. We have roots in Islam, yes, but we are not Muslims.

Gnostics had their own scriptures, own prophets, own unique rituals and their own theology. They were not Christians either.

Again, this is just my perception of Bahai.
 
Old 02-23-2018, 03:49 PM   #11
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Gnosticism a sect of Christianity? No. A religion which takes elements of the former and radically reworks them into a different set of ideas and practices? Yes.

Basically the Bahai is a radically liberalised/reinterpreted form of Islam.
When we view the comments of just a few Great Leaders of Humanity, those that held no prejudice, we get reflections such as these;

President Masaryk - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%C3...rrigue_Masaryk

"Take these principles to the diplomats," is the late President Masaryk's advice, "to the universities and colleges and other schools, and also write about them. It is the people who will bring the universal peace." "The Baha'i teaching," is President Eduard Benes' testimony, "is one of the great instruments for the final victory of the spirit and of humanity . . . The Baha'i Cause is one of the great moral and social forces in all the world today. I am more convinced than ever, with the increasing moral and political crises in the world, we must have greater international coordination. Such a movement as the Baha'i Cause which paves the way for universal organization of peace is necessary."

or Rev. T. K. Cheyne - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Kelly_Cheyne

"If there has been any Prophet in recent times," asserts the Rev. T. K. Cheyne in his 'The Reconciliation of Races and Religions', "it is to Bahá'u'lláh that we must go. Character is the final judge. Bahá'u'lláh was a man of the highest class-that of Prophets." "It is possible indeed," declares Viscount Samuel of Carmel, "to pick out points of fundamental agreement among all creeds. That is the essential purpose of the Baha'i religion, the foundation and growth of which is one of the most striking movements that have proceeded from the East in recent generations."

or, Professor Benjamin Jowett - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Jowett

And, finally, is the judgment passed by no less outstanding a figure than the late Master of Balliol, Professor Benjamin Jowett: "The Babi movement may not impossibly turn out to have the promise of the future." Professor Lewis Campbell, an eminent pupil of Dr. Jowett, has confirmed this statement by quoting him as saying: "This Baha'i Movement is the greatest light that has come into the world since the time of Jesus Christ. You must watch it and never let it out of your sight. It is too great and too near for this generation to comprehend. The future alone can reveal its import."

What a differing view they had.

The Faith of Baha'u'llah: A World Religion - This summary of the origin, teachings and institutions of the Baha'i Faith was prepared in 1947 for the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine by Shoghi Effendi in his capacity as Head of the Baha'i Faith. Haifa, Israel—1 July 1947

https://www.bic.org/statements/faith...world-religion

Also from this document;

Restatement of Eternal Verities

"..Though sprung from Shiah Islam, and regarded, in the early stages of its development, by the followers of both the Muslim and Christian Faiths, as an obscure sect, an Asiatic cult or an offshoot of the Muhammadan religion, this Faith is now increasingly demonstrating its right to be recognized, not as one more religious system superimposed on the conflicting creeds which for so many generations have divided mankind and darkened its fortunes, but rather as a restatement of the eternal verities underlying all the religions of the past, as a unifying force instilling into the adherents of these religions a new spiritual vigor, infusing them with a new hope and love for mankind, firing them with a new vision of the fundamental unity of their religious doctrines, and unfolding to their eyes the glorious destiny that awaits the human race..."

Stay well and Happy - Regards Tony

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Old 02-23-2018, 06:41 PM   #12
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My simple thoughts are that the Bahai Faith is not a sect of Islam. I do not recognize Muhammad as a true prophet based upon what I have read about him.

I have read about the Gnostics and have a book on the Cathars to read ! I have had a deep interest in mysticism and metaphysics, for something in the range of 46 years.

I came across the Bahai faith in 1996 and made some great Bahai friends, they were true shining stars for the message of the Bahai faith.
 
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Gnostics had their own scriptures, own prophets, own unique rituals and their own theology. They were not Christians either.

Again, this is just my perception of Bahai.
Gnostics were Christians. If they had "prophets", they were not independent of Christ but were under His domain, like the prophets in the Old Testament who were under the domain of Moses. Their scriptures wee suspect, but I liked the way they sought to commune with God.
 
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My simple thoughts are that the Bahai Faith is not a sect of Islam. I do not recognize Muhammad as a true prophet based upon what I have read about him.

I have read about the Gnostics and have a book on the Cathars to read ! I have had a deep interest in mysticism and metaphysics, for something in the range of 46 years.

I came across the Bahai faith in 1996 and made some great Bahai friends, they were true shining stars for the message of the Bahai faith.
What things have you read about Muhammad that you object to?
 
Old 02-25-2018, 12:26 PM   #15
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Gnostics were Christians. If they had "prophets", they were not independent of Christ but were under His domain, like the prophets in the Old Testament who were under the domain of Moses. Their scriptures wee suspect, but I liked the way they sought to commune with God.
So in saying Gnostics were Christians (despite the numerous differences between the two which contradict each other and cannot be reconciled) you would have no objection to my initial position that Bahai is essentially a liberalised form of Islam? We could take the Gnostic Prophet of Mani as an example of a Gnostic who was not under Christ and at his own liberty reinterpreted Much Like Muhammad and Mirza HUssain) much of the stories and teachings found in Christianity.
 
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That's just one group of gnostics. I'd definitely not say all gnostic religions were sects of Christianity, but the majority certainly were.
 
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