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Old 02-27-2018, 12:41 AM   #1
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Dreams of Baha'u'llah?

Greetings, friends. I hope you're well as always

I have had a rather interesting dream. I saw vivid scenes of a figure I have enjoyed learning much about be brutally killed, and out of fear the dream version of "me" ran, and just kept running until things changed around me. Dream me was no longer where he was, now he was nowhere, and ran directly into Baha'u'llah's arms. The dream me was crying, and I remember Baha'u'llah using his thumbs to wipe the tears away, specifically that his thumbs felt very warm and comforting. He essentially calmed me down and said that the person did not die in vain, but that their message had become eternal because their aim was unity, as Baha'u'llah's message was.

I found it to be very bizarre. I know it's said not to attach any importance to dreams, but I'm curious as to if dreaming of religious figures like Baha'u'llah has ever been mentioned in Baha'i writings. Even if it holds no importance it's still an interesting thought
 
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Old 02-27-2018, 08:27 AM   #2
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I know this is not "Bah' writings" but and interesting account of a dream...

Bah'u'llh, when he was six years old, had a dream in which he saw himself swimming in a mighty ocean which was so great that he marvelled. His hair, which was long, was floating out on the waves and soon he discovered that to each separate hair a fish was attached by its mouth, that is, the fish was holding the hair in its mouth. There were large fish, small fish, white fish, black fish, in fact all kinds of fishes.
The impression he received was so vivid that he was awakened. When he told his father in the morning the father decided to have the meaning if possible. Being, as you know, a Grand Vazr, he applied to the Shh, asking permission to have the dream interpreted by the court interpreter of dreams. This was granted him. When the interpreter had heard the dream he stood amazed. He said, "This is a most wonderful dream, but I do not see how it can come true. The ocean symbolizes the world; the fish are the people of the world who are to gain knowledge from this boy-knowledge of God. You must protect and keep him, for he will be very great, but it is not possible that he can fulfil entirely such a wonderful dream. How can the entire world receive knowledge of God from this boy? However, this is what I see in this dream. Protect him. Keep and guard him. He will be very great and will teach great and learned people as well as others."
Words of 'Abdu'l-Bah's wife given by Mrs H. E. Hoagg in a letter from Haifa, Syria, 1914.

(SOW - Star of the West, Star of the West - 5)
 
Old 02-27-2018, 12:27 PM   #3
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I love dreams and dreaming so of course this piques my interest, thanks for this thread!!

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I know it's said not to attach any importance to dreams, but I'm curious as to if dreaming of religious figures like Baha'u'llah has ever been mentioned in Baha'i writings.
Yes!!

There is a tablet where where 'Abdu'l-Baha was writing to interpret the dream of an Ottoman official.


The whole provisional translation is out there, but this specific segment is the part relevant to your own question: "Thou hast also seen His Holiness, the Prophet (Muhammad) in thy dream. According to the holy tradition 'Who hath seen Me in a dream, he indeed hath beheld the truth' (Man ra’n fa-qad ra’ al-ḥaqq ), to see the blessed perfection, our Lord the Prophet (pbuh) in a dream, there is no doubt that it is a real vision and true dream that hath come to pass (mşhede-i hakik ve r’yet-i vkı). To behold our Lord indicateth attainment of gladness, bounty and blessings."

So by the few standards we have for dream interpretation within the Baha'i Faith (which aren't a massive amount, granted), it seems like the appearance of at least the Prophet Muhammad signals a dream of importance. Based on the principle of the Equality of the Prophets, one would thus tend to assume the appearance of Baha'u'llah is a similar signifier of a "True Dream".

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Greetings, friends. I hope you're well as always

I have had a rather interesting dream. I saw vivid scenes of a figure I have enjoyed learning much about be brutally killed, and out of fear the dream version of "me" ran, and just kept running until things changed around me. Dream me was no longer where he was, now he was nowhere, and ran directly into Baha'u'llah's arms. The dream me was crying, and I remember Baha'u'llah using his thumbs to wipe the tears away, specifically that his thumbs felt very warm and comforting. He essentially calmed me down and said that the person did not die in vain, but that their message had become eternal because their aim was unity, as Baha'u'llah's message was.
To be clear, we aren't told to place no importance of dreams, but we are told instead there are three types of dreams:

The Usual, "Confused Dreams", which are the vast majority and with which people like me use as inspiration for art.

Then True Dreams that hold significance but require interpretation.

And then True Dreams that require no interpretation which are the rarest.

We are told to be careful not to confuse one category of dream for the other. Although, according to 'Abdu'l-Baha, the appearance of a manifestation signals that it is likely the latter category.
 
Old 02-27-2018, 12:47 PM   #4
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Greetings, friends. I hope you're well as always

I have had a rather interesting dream. I saw vivid scenes of a figure I have enjoyed learning much about be brutally killed, and out of fear the dream version of "me" ran, and just kept running until things changed around me. Dream me was no longer where he was, now he was nowhere, and ran directly into Baha'u'llah's arms. The dream me was crying, and I remember Baha'u'llah using his thumbs to wipe the tears away, specifically that his thumbs felt very warm and comforting. He essentially calmed me down and said that the person did not die in vain, but that their message had become eternal because their aim was unity, as Baha'u'llah's message was.

I found it to be very bizarre. I know it's said not to attach any importance to dreams, but I'm curious as to if dreaming of religious figures like Baha'u'llah has ever been mentioned in Baha'i writings. Even if it holds no importance it's still an interesting thought
That was a very special dream. To meet Bahau'llah in this life a great gift, there is a purity of heart for this to be so.

What you get from it is important.

By the way, the Deam you in this dream, is your Soul free from worldly attachments.

In my opinion, in this case you have had a pure vision of what it is to give ones life for Faith and have no fear of death. It was a gift of trust. Trust that no matter what happens there is great purpose.

Regards Tony
 
Old 02-27-2018, 01:04 PM   #5
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Also, a link to a good Baha'i blogger who writes about dreams and dream interpretation if you'd find that helpful: https://dreamsforpeace.org/ (though that may not be necessary, given the straight-forwardness of your particular dream)
 
Old 02-27-2018, 07:30 PM   #6
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I didn't know about the different types of dreams, and thank you all for the great information!
I'm at work, but when I'm home I will post my dream in its entirety. For the curious, the figure I watched die was Mani, founder of Manichaeism. I did a study on him recently.
 
Old 02-27-2018, 10:32 PM   #7
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I was meditating late at night. It was definitely for over an hour and a half, and I think I somewhat fell asleep, though my mind was not completely asleep, just mostly. Enough to prohibit movement. It started off with thoughts of Mani. I remember seeing bits of his life; his travels to India and China, meeting his disciple Addas; seeing him painting the Arzhang in a cave, and I saw his debates in Rome, even in defeat still smiling proudly, and that's when I 'met him'.

I was in a city, with some sort of palace nearby, dirt roads, and an archway that acted as the gate to whatever city I was in. I remember seeing Mani, the soft features of his face, his dark brown hair tucked behind his ears, and just hugging him and feeling happy. And I told him that I loved him, and he said the same, which is when I said something to the effect of "If you go in there, you'll die" and told him not to, but he just kept hugging me and said that he has to, "for me" and told me to be strong, when he turned and walked to the castle.

That's when the dream cut to his death. I watched them skin him alive. He didn't scream, so much as just cry and grunt, with there being so much blood all over the place. I only started to cry when I saw him start convulsing on the table they laid him on as they took the skin off his chest and eventually his head. There was so much blood and I was uncontrollably crying. It still haunts me a bit, seeing him start to convulse. That moment keeps playing back in my head.

And then they threw his body onto the ground. For a moment he was still alive, and put a hand out as though he was trying to grab something to hold himself upright, but quickly he collapsed and died. I remember hearing myself, I had started screaming at the top of my lungs as they cut his skinned head off. I remember trying to force myself forward to collect the head, only to have people grab me and hold me back.

And then, seeing them take the skin, and stuff it with straw, like some sort of ungodly scarecrow, and I continued to weep. Then after they crucified this twisted scarecrow I remember just feeling this horrible pit in my stomach, when they raised the cross and hung it above the archway I hugged him near. I felt horrified and disgusted.

And I ran, despair, shock and horror ringing through me I kept running and running. I was somewhere else. I was out of the city and just surrounded by timelessness, and I ran right into Baha'u'llah's arms and hugged him in tears. I remember his appearance, greater than the grandest king, yet humbler than a peasant. He wore some sort of hat, I want to say it was a crown but it definitely was not. Some sort of hat that I think had a gem on it. He had grayish hair, with a somewhat rugged, thick beard. His eyebrows were well defined but not large, and his face radiated love. He wore a red robe, with a golden trim around the neck and at the bottom. I believe he had bracelets on, that looked very simple and completely unadorned. He wore sandals.

What really gets my emotions going is that I could feel him. He used his thumbs to wipe my tears, and I remember them being very warm feeling. He told me that Mani didn't die in vain, that even if his death was horrible and gruesome, Mani's message of unity became eternal, as it lives on through Baha'u'llah's own message. I had stopped crying, and hugged him again, and I remember him kissing me on the forehead.

I told him that lately I've felt distant from him, and that I've always struggled to comprehend his words, in truth. He told me that I have my whole life to understand his difficult message, and that he's willing to wait an eternity for me. He said that his love for both myself and all mankind is infinite and eternal, and that I shouldn't be so harsh to myself (As I often am) over feeling distant from him.

A little more was said, but I do not recall. I think that hug with Baha'u'llah was one of the most serene moments I've ever felt in a dream. It was almost hypnotic, like within moments, all the pain and horror was melted and replaced with calmness and love.

I have long struggled with Mani. I remember first hearing about him years ago, and thinking him a complete and utter fraud. And a while later, thinking that he was still false to his claims, but held at least some wisdom. After learning of him more and more, there came a time where I had no idea what to think of him. I eventually found the Baha'i Faith, and have been Baha'i for almost 3 years now I believe. I still don't really know what to think of Mani, but I definitely think at the absolute least he was a Seer.

I don't know if this was a Muslim or a Baha'i source, but I recall reading that there were no manifestations (messengers?) between Jesus and Muhammad. Though there were at least minor prophets for a time, such as prophet Jirjis (St. George) in Hadith, so it is possible he may have been a minor prophet? I don't really know when the cutoff date for minor prophets was. I guess I've always assumed that there were minor prophets all the way through up until Muhammad, which may not actually be the case. That idea mostly comes from the story I heard of Khalid Bin Sinan I think his name was, another prophet inbetween Jesus and Muhammad mentioned in Hadith - I'm not sure about the authenticity of it, though. I wonder if I'm wrong and there could have been unmentioned Manifestations between Jesus and Muhammad. Again, pretty sure this isn't the case, and that the aforementioned source was a Baha'i one. Anyways, all this isn't the point of what I'm talking about, I'm just trying to give some background information :P

That about sums up my dream. I wonder if anyone else on this forum has had dreams like this?

Maybe this thread will become a dream compendium. Hah.
 
Old 02-28-2018, 06:00 AM   #8
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I wonder if anyone else on this forum has had dreams like this?

Maybe this thread will become a dream compendium. Hah.
I had a vivid dream about Jesus when I was 20.
It was what I later came to understand as "hypnopompic hallucination", a vivid dream that happens as you go from sleep to wakefulness.
In such circumstances, it is impossible for the dreamer to tell between reality and fantasy.

In my case, I "saw" Jesus entering my bedroom as I lay on my bed. He asked me to look through the window on my right side (all objects in the bedroom looked as real as if I had been awake) and showed two different scenes: first one full of terrifying wars among nations, then a second with the earth converted into a paradise of bliss and harmony. He told me that his entire purpose for mankind was that we could transit from the first scene to the second.
The emotions I experienced during that dream were overwhelming.
When I "woke up" my body was just in the same position left when the hallucination ended.

I guess that our brains get influences from God at all moments, both consciously and unconsciously. Those influences work in our lives, leading us to think, speak and act in certain ways.
Sometimes they are expressed in the images and situations we dream.

Now, having said that, I believe I should consider any "messages" conveyed in dreams as a very personal matter, in the sense that if they mean something, they mean it for me, within a particular context. I should not interpret them as messages to others. And most importantly, they should not be placed on top of reason/science and Scriptures/Revelation.

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Old 02-28-2018, 06:06 AM   #9
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I had a dream with the Bab about 36 years ago. The first thing I remember is that the sky was raining tests and difficulties on me. I laughed at them. Then Paul the Apostle took me to the Bab. He did not have a head. I was in a tent and the Bab appeared as a kid. At first He didn't acknowledge me. Then He looked at me and it was as if He was looking inside of me. He said "i'm glad to see tht there are depths in you.". Then He said "You will get married soon.". I asked when will I meet her, and he said "Wednesday". He said either that He would preside over my marriage or preside over my wedding, I forget which. Then He started talking in another language, and that's all I remember of the dream.

I went to pilgrimage soon after that, and after I got back a Board assistant called Dolly Haghighi called me wanted me to meet a woman. She was playing matchmaker. I said I couldn't meet her because I was soon to move to Texas. I moved to Texas and I felt lonely, so I decided I might as well write this woman, so I called Dolly and got her address. I wrote a letter to Sara where I was very open with her. I got a letter back very fast. I knew this meant she was attracted to me. We continued to write and she dipped one of her letters in perfume. I decided to go to Ohio to meet her. The issue came up about when I was to meet her. It was to be either Wednesday or Thursday. I closed my eyes and saw the number 7, which meant July 7 which was a Wednesday. So I went up and met her on Wednesday. While there for the next day and a half we decided to marry. She proposed to me rather than the other way around. So I met her on Wednesday and got married just as the Bab foretold.
 
Old 02-28-2018, 08:16 AM   #10
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I had a dream about Bah'u'llh once. In the dream, I was talking to Him. Oh dear, what does one make out of that?

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Old 03-01-2018, 11:41 AM   #11
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I had a dream about Bah'u'llh once. In the dream, I was talking to Him. Oh dear, what does one make out of that?

Best,

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As it was your dream, so anything you want to Gnat

Regards Tony
 
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I had a dream with the Bab about 36 years ago. The first thing I remember is that the sky was raining tests and difficulties on me. I laughed at them. Then Paul the Apostle took me to the Bab. He did not have a head. I was in a tent and the Bab appeared as a kid. At first He didn't acknowledge me. Then He looked at me and it was as if He was looking inside of me. He said "i'm glad to see tht there are depths in you.". Then He said "You will get married soon.". I asked when will I meet her, and he said "Wednesday". He said either that He would preside over my marriage or preside over my wedding, I forget which. Then He started talking in another language, and that's all I remember of the dream.

I went to pilgrimage soon after that, and after I got back a Board assistant called Dolly Haghighi called me wanted me to meet a woman. She was playing matchmaker. I said I couldn't meet her because I was soon to move to Texas. I moved to Texas and I felt lonely, so I decided I might as well write this woman, so I called Dolly and got her address. I wrote a letter to Sara where I was very open with her. I got a letter back very fast. I knew this meant she was attracted to me. We continued to write and she dipped one of her letters in perfume. I decided to go to Ohio to meet her. The issue came up about when I was to meet her. It was to be either Wednesday or Thursday. I closed my eyes and saw the number 7, which meant July 7 which was a Wednesday. So I went up and met her on Wednesday. While there for the next day and a half we decided to marry. She proposed to me rather than the other way around. So I met her on Wednesday and got married just as the Bab foretold.
Truly incredible! Thank you for sharing.
 
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