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Old 04-23-2018, 08:57 PM   #1
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mode of wahy on Shoghi Effendi


we know that Hazart Baha'ullah mentioned the mode of wahy ( revelation ) but I cant find any mentioned of this for Shoghi effendi in books etc, when i write prayers, if any one put some light on it plz?

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Old 04-23-2018, 09:41 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by kami2k View Post

we know that Hazart Baha'ullah mentioned the mode of wahy ( revelation ) but I cant find any mentioned of this for Shoghi effendi in books etc, when i write prayers, if any one put some light on it plz?

Good morning Kamal

I think I understand your question, and so will reply with what I think is the answer. But note - there are two 'I's in that sentence referencing this human, thus the answer thus comes from a human soul and thus carries zero authority.

Shoghi Effendi, unlike Baha'u'llah and, as in the conferred sense, 'Abdul-Baha, did not have conferred upon him the quality of revelation. Upon him was conferred the quality of interpretation, and this, as the Guardian, was one of his primary roles. The station of Baha'u'llah is different to that of 'Abdu'l-Baha, and the station of Shoghi Effendi is different again to either of them.

When one looks at the statements of Shoghi Effendi regarding his own writings, he is most emphatic that they are not and should not be regarded as Holy Text.

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Old 04-24-2018, 02:41 AM   #3
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Reinforcing your explanation to Kamal, I will offer that in the last part of Shoghi Effendi’s treatise titled “The Dispensation of Baha’u’llah”, he clarified the Guardian’s role and relationship to that of ‘Abdu’l-Baha, being the Center of the Covenant, and to that of Baha’u’llah, being the Revealer of the Word of God. He writes:

“Dearly-beloved friends! Exalted as is the position and vital as is the function of the institution of the Guardianship in the Administrative Order of Bahá'u'lláh, and staggering as must be the weight of responsibility which it carries, its importance must, whatever be the language of the Will, be in no wise over-emphasized. The Guardian of the Faith must not under any circumstances, and whatever his merits or his achievements, be exalted to the rank that will make him a co-sharer with `Abdu'l-Bahá in the unique position which the Center of the Covenant occupies--much less to the station exclusively ordained for the Manifestation of God. So grave a departure from the established tenets of our Faith is nothing short of open blasphemy. As I have already stated, in the course of my references to `Abdu'l-Bahá's station, however great the gulf that separates Him from the Author of a Divine Revelation it can never measure with the distance that stands between Him Who is the Center of Bahá'u'lláh's Covenant and the Guardians who are its chosen ministers. There is a far, far greater distance separating the Guardian from the Center of the Covenant than there is between the Center of the Covenant and its Author.

“No Guardian of the Faith, I feel it my solemn duty to place on record, can ever claim to be the perfect exemplar of the teachings of Bahá'u'lláh or the stainless mirror that reflects His light. Though overshadowed by the unfailing, the unerring protection of Bahá'u'lláh and of the Báb, and however much he may share with `Abdu'l-Bahá the right and obligation to interpret the Bahá'í teachings, he remains essentially human and cannot, if he wishes to remain faithful to his trust, arrogate to himself, under any pretense whatsoever, the rights, the privileges and prerogatives which Bahá'u'lláh has chosen to confer upon His Son. In the light of this truth to pray to the Guardian of the Faith, to address him as lord and master, to designate him as his holiness, to seek his benediction, to celebrate his birthday, or to commemorate any event associated with his life would be tantamount to a departure from those established truths that are enshrined within our beloved Faith. The fact that the Guardian has been specifically endowed with such power as he may need to reveal the purport and disclose the implications of the utterances of Bahá'u'lláh and of `Abdu'l-Bahá does not necessarily confer upon him a station co-equal with those Whose words he is called upon to interpret. He can exercise that right and discharge this obligation and yet remain infinitely inferior to both of them in rank and different in nature.

“To the integrity of this cardinal principle of our Faith the words, the deeds of its present and future Guardians must abundantly testify. By their conduct and example they must needs establish its truth upon an unassailable foundation and transmit to future generations unimpeachable evidences of its reality.

“For my own part to hesitate in recognizing so vital a truth or to vacillate in proclaiming so firm a conviction must constitute a shameless betrayal of the confidence reposed in me by `Abdu'l-Bahá and an unpardonable usurpation of the authority with which He Himself has been invested.”

(The World Order of Bahá'u'lláh, pp. 150 – 152)

Old 04-24-2018, 11:25 PM   #4
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Good morning Larry

An excellent selection of a quote which, to my mind, completely answers the question asked by Kamal. My appreciation for bringing it to the fore. It has been so long since I read The World Order of Baha'u'llah that I had forgotten this explicit writing of his.

With most warm greetings


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