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Old 04-30-2018, 01:34 PM   #1
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Footnote #13 in the Seven Valleys

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Does anyone know the source for the 13th footnote in the Seven Valleys? Much of my favorite quoted material comes from this source and my copy lists this source simply as "Persian mystic poem". Any help would be appreciated.

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Old 04-30-2018, 02:16 PM   #2
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Does anyone know the source for the 13th footnote in the Seven Valleys? Much of my favorite quoted material comes from this source and my copy lists this source simply as "Persian mystic poem". Any help would be appreciated.
Good morning good and worthy friend

The edition you are using would appear to be an older version, perhaps. Or, the footnotes are numbered differently to my copy. The footnote to which you refer appears to be footnote 15 in my edition:

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A lover is he who is chill in hell fire;
A knower is he who is dry in the sea.
This poem is touched upon in this item at Baha'i Library Online - when you are on the page, just search for 'a lover is' and you will go straight to it:

https://bahai-library.com/mclean_parable_majnun_layli

Here, too, it is simply referred to as "the citation of the Persian mystic poem"

A Google with the contents of the entire poem-part quoted brings many "hits", but no answers that I could find.

With my most warm greetings

Romane

Last edited by Romane; 04-30-2018 at 02:32 PM. Reason: typo, more information to add
 
Old 05-02-2018, 10:36 AM   #3
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Allaho Abha Couch

if by the 13th footnote you mean this:

"A knower is he who is dry in the sea."

then this is from the first poem (ghazal) of Attar in his book of poems; Ghazaliat.
 
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Allaho Abha Couch

if by the 13th footnote you mean this:

"A knower is he who is dry in the sea."

then this is from the first poem (ghazal) of Attar in his book of poems; Ghazaliat.
 
Old 05-02-2018, 11:14 AM   #5
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Allaho Abha Couch

if by the 13th footnote you mean this:

"A knower is he who is dry in the sea."

then this is from the first poem (ghazal) of Attar in his book of poems; Ghazaliat.
Aha!!

That makes a lot of sense that it would be Attar, since a lot of his other poetry is cited throughout the Seven Valleys, and that the Seven Valleys itself is essentially built from the groundwork laid by Attar's Conference of the Birds.

Thanks for the clarification!! And good to hear you've found a viable proxy!!
 
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Aha!!

That makes a lot of sense that it would be Attar, since a lot of his other poetry is cited throughout the Seven Valleys, and that the Seven Valleys itself is essentially built from the groundwork laid by Attar's Conference of the Birds.

Thanks for the clarification!! And good to hear you've found a viable proxy!!
Thank you so much Walrus
 
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Ghazaliat from Attar! Great, Thanks for helping me find that out.
 
Old 05-08-2018, 01:48 PM   #8
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It's not the footnote that was requested, but in a sort-of similarity to this topic, I found another line "How can feeble reason encompass the Qur’án, Or the spider snare a phoenix in his web?" that is referenced only as "Persian Mystic Poem" is also from Attar, from the Ilāhī-Nāmah.

So by this point in time I'd wager everything referenced as simply a "Persian Mystic Poem" is from Attar.
 
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It's not the footnote that was requested, but in a sort-of similarity to this topic, I found another line "How can feeble reason encompass the Qur’án, Or the spider snare a phoenix in his web?" that is referenced only as "Persian Mystic Poem" is also from Attar, from the Ilāhī-Nāmah.

So by this point in time I'd wager everything referenced as simply a "Persian Mystic Poem" is from Attar.
It is admirable how you could find the source of the "spider and phoenix" quote You must be interested in Persian mysticism, are you?

Well, there are many quotes in mystic Bahai scripture that come from Attar, but NOT all of them. The mystic quotes come from Attar, Rumi, Hafez, Sana'i, and Hatef Esfahani. There may be other sources as well, but my lack of knowledge has not yet let me know more than that.
 
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It is admirable how you could find the source of the "spider and phoenix" quote
Honestly, I wasn't even looking for it. I just sort of stumbled across the line when reading Attar and said "Oh hey, I recognize that."

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You must be interested in Persian mysticism, are you?
Pretty much, right now I'm seeking out the Ilāhī-Nāmah in English, but unfortunately so far I've only found a partial translation so far.

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Old 05-09-2018, 08:13 AM   #11
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Pretty much, right now I'm seeking out the Ilāhī-Nāmah in English, but unfortunately so far I've only found a partial translation so far.
and unfortunately I am afraid you won't find any. there are only a few translations of very few number of Attar Ghazals and then a translation of "Conference of Birds"- Elahi name (Godly Letter) and Mosibat Name (Letters of Sorrow) are not translated at all.
hmmm... maybe one day i translate them, but I am not sure if any good publisher is interested to publish the translations of an unknown person like me in Anyways, I would be glad to translate for you any poems you are interested in.
 
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