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Old 05-09-2018, 12:51 PM   #1
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The Baha'i and the New World Order

Good evening to everyone,

i'm Ivan and i'm happy to be here. Sorry if i had to write in a bad way, but i'm italian and i don't know well english. I'd like to ask you something about the relatianship between Baha'i and the Rotschild family: is it true that Abdu'l Baha had relationship with it? And then, don't you find that the expression New World Order is too ambiguos? It seems that it concerns the secretive power elite that rules the World. Thanks to everyone who will want to answer me.

Ivan
 
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Old 05-09-2018, 01:12 PM   #2
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Good evening to everyone,

i'm Ivan and i'm happy to be here. Sorry if i had to write in a bad way, but i'm italian and i don't know well english. I'd like to ask you something about the relatianship between Baha'i and the Rotschild family: is it true that Abdu'l Baha had relationship with it?
Hey Ivan.

The short answer is no.

The full extent of the relationship between the Baha'is and the Rothschild family is the following:

Once Baron Rothschild came to Haifa for less than an hour when checking up on the Jewish colonies he was establishing within Palestine.

His visit prompted our leader at the time 'Abdu'l-Baha to write the following, which as you can read for yourself is rather against families such as the Rothschilds:

"Today Baron Rothschild came to Haifa. He is one of the wealthiest men of Europe. He is much interested in the Jewish colonization of Palestine and is devoting much of his time and attention to this problem. Now he has gone to Tiberias. He is busy all the time. He could not stay longer than one hour.

All the people are toiling and labouring to attain to the station of a rich man. Life to many rich men is nothing but a heavy burden. They are “wood carriers”. Instead of a blessing wealth becomes a great calamity to them. The supervision of their colossal fortunes and their proper financial administration becomes the sole object of their lives. Day and night, asleep and awake, they think and work to make their piles larger and that of others smaller till finally they become mere money machines devoid of any other feeling or of higher emotions, wild-eyed, always hungering for more. Greed and selfishness become the dominant influences of their lives. Grab, grab, grab; right and left they grab at everything. In the mad rush and struggle for more lucre, for more worldly goods they walk over the bodies of the toilers and the children. They become the embodiment of heartlessness and cruelty. Pride and haughtiness lord it over them and they become mere tools in the hands of sordid, fiendish passion.

Wealth has a tempting and drawing quality. It bewilders the sight of its charmed victims with showy appearances and draws them on and on to the edge of yawning chasms. It makes a person self-centred, self-occupied, forgetful of God and of holy things."


We don't have any relationship apart from the above criticism of the lifestyle of Baron Rothschild. I hope that helps!!

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And then, don't you find that the expression New World Order is too ambiguos? It seems that it concerns the secretive power elite that rules the World. Thanks to everyone who will want to answer me.

Ivan
Any shadowy organization of elites scheming for world unification that may exist out there, certainly does not want world unification under Baha'i standards. We can see this in these basic facts:

-The Baha'i religion is still relatively obscure.

-None of the world elites that have significant positions of power are members.

If a shadow government wanted to use the Baha'is to bring about their designs... wouldn't they be able to do a better job at it?? Why aren't any of the corrupt elites of the world promoting the Faith if it is integral to their plans??

This leaves only two conclusions that I could possibly make:

Either the Baha'i Faith isn't being used by a shadowy organization,

Or the shadowy organization is incompetent, and thus should not be feared.

Because if there was a competent shadow government that wanted to use a religion to further its own goals, you'd think there'd be at least a handful of prominent world leaders that were members of that religion.
 
Old 05-09-2018, 04:22 PM   #3
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Hello Ivan great to see you here.

Personally I see the phrase of a 'New World Order', as one that grows from grass root level. It will be embraced by ordinary people at community level, as each person starts to see that they are not just person confined to a single country, but a member of the human race living on our planet, earth. Thus the vision will become world embracing.

As this Vision changes, so does the ways that we do business, when this happens, then the Majority will be thinking of how to implement a New World Order of all things.

Regards Tony
 
Old 05-09-2018, 09:38 PM   #4
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... the expression New World Order is too ambiguos ...
Good morning Ivan. A most warm welcome, and have no concern with your degree of English. It is very obvious that no-one here is having any problem understanding you.

Ambiguous. No, not really. The term/phrase encompasses so much more than may at first be apparent.

We have, as a species, traveled along a path in which each culture has developed it's own order. Not a single one of these orders are capable, by any way, means, form, manner or effort to serve as a functioning system for the world as it is now and as it is becoming.

Each of these separate orders served the needs of their time well, but their influence and range was no more than a small span of this earth. Often when these orders came into contact, for various reasons they led to conflict. We see, still, this recurrent theme continued in international relations at this time.

None of the existing orders being suitable for a world-wide based system, each of these orders, suited to their time and place, are proving utterly dysfunctional to the needs of the time. Thus ... a new world order is needed, one that has no ties to any of the pre-existing orders and yet, at the same time, one in which each of these earlier orders can find fulfillment, advancement and a co-operative and peaceful existence in a world society.

The Baha'is believe that this new world order will be as laid out in the Writings of Baha'u'llah.

With my most warm greetings

Romane

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Old 05-11-2018, 04:33 AM   #5
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Thanks a lot to everyone! I've really appreciated your comments!

I didn't want to say that the phrase is ambiguos in itself. I just wanted to say that it reminds the secret elite of bankers and financiers that rule the World. Words are important, and the phrase New World Order makes me think something bad. I would change it with other words.

I'm a fan of an unique population in an unique country, as lons as this government only transcends personal and selfish ambitions of the countries and doesn't delete people's cultures and history. The important thing to create an unique government is not to flatten countries' peculiarities.
 
Old 05-11-2018, 05:54 AM   #6
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Thanks a lot to everyone! I've really appreciated your comments!

I didn't want to say that the phrase is ambiguos in itself. I just wanted to say that it reminds the secret elite of bankers and financiers that rule the World. Words are important, and the phrase New World Order makes me think something bad. I would change it with other words.

I'm a fan of an unique population in an unique country, as lons as this government only transcends personal and selfish ambitions of the countries and doesn't delete people's cultures and history. The important thing to create an unique government is not to flatten countries' peculiarities.
Well our motto is "unity in diversity". Any new world order that would "delete people's cultures and history" isn't a new world order we'd want anything to do with.
 
Old 06-10-2018, 10:01 AM   #7
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Thanks a lot for the answers!
 
Old 06-12-2018, 03:34 AM   #8
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...The short answer is no...
tx so much for the info & quotes. The human condition too often is one of fondly cherished beliefs defended by elaborate logic systems and your factual post is such a breath of fresh air.
 
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