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Old 05-09-2018, 09:24 PM   #1
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Prophecies

Good morning

It can be most interesting reading in older publications.

Working my way through Volume 2 of "Baha'i World Faith" (1926-1928), a letter is published from the Israelitish Assembly of Baha'is of Tihran, dated May 9, 1904 to the House of Spirituality of Baha'is, Chicago, and translated November 7, 1904. The letter itself is way too long to post here in its entirety, however a .pdf version can be downloaded from:

https://www.miscellanie.com/private/ --> letterIsraelitishBaha'is-9May1904.pdf

(by the way, this directory is only called 'private' for the sake of having a name - there is nothing "private" here. Bit of a misnomer, one could say.)

The subject regards the fulfillment of prophecies, primarily Biblical prophecies, but some from the Qur'an. A number of things which I had not perceived before, all very interesting. I am sure many will likewise say: "I hadn't seen that before!"

I am not going to, due to lack of time, offer any comments other than these few notes that, theoretically, may help identify more accurately the sources of quotes from the Qur'an. The page numbers I use in referring to this document are those at the bottom of each page of the .pdf document linked above. Note also that I am using the Yusif Ali translation of the Qur'an - not able to read (nor write nor speak) Arabic, I am unable to read the original

Page 2, 2nd paragraph toward its bottom - Sura of Jonas; the Sura is number 10, while the verse appears to be 25 (https://www.miscellanie.com/allthete...urah/s010.html). I have 4 translation of the Qur'an on hand and each refers only to "Home of Peace", not to Dar-el-Salam.

Page 4, 2nd paragraph: Sura is 32, and the verse appears to be 5 (https://www.miscellanie.com/allthete...urah/s032.html)

Page 4, final paragraph. The Sura of 'Imran is Sura 3. However, I am having difficulty identifying this quote from the Yusif Ali translation. (https://www.miscellanie.com/allthete...urah/s003.html)

There is, in Sura 22, a verse (47) (https://www.miscellanie.com/allthete...urah/s022.html) which can likewise be related to the Bible; I quote only the bit which I found of interest:

"... Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning."

With my most warm greetings

Romane
 
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Old 05-10-2018, 01:51 AM   #2
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Allah'u'abha Romane, I hope you are well and happy.

From what I have read, these are Prophecies well used on many forums of late. Abdul'baha has given explanations on Daniel and Revelation applicable to the quotes in this document as you would most likely know.

There is a fellow called 'Investigate truth' that comes here and on many forums that has a great archive of these Prophecies, especially from the Koran and Hadith.

What we have found is that even with a truckload of proof such as this, you still can not make the horse drink and in most cases not even lead it to the waters edge.

Personally, I just think it is plain amazing, 'Thief in the night' was my 2nd Baha'i authored book I read. God loves laughter being the first.

Regards Tony
 
Old 05-10-2018, 06:04 AM   #3
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Page 2, 2nd paragraph toward its bottom - Sura of Jonas; the Sura is number 10, while the verse appears to be 25 (https://www.miscellanie.com/allthete...urah/s010.html). I have 4 translation of the Qur'an on hand and each refers only to "Home of Peace", not to Dar-el-Salam.
My Arabic is not good, but:

Dar = دار = House
Salam = سلام = Peace
Thus: Dar-el-Salam = "House of Peace" or "Home of Peace". So your translations do refer to "Dar-el-Salam", just in English.
 
Old 05-10-2018, 05:35 PM   #4
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Good morning Tony

You make quite a number of very good and true points.Yet, if I may, there is another aspect to this as well.

A million people walk past a person holding out in the palm of his hand a most perfect and beyond price gem, offering it for free to whoever would seek to take it. These million people glance and see, not a gem but a piece of glass, and walk on. Then along comes one who glances at the gem, sees its unblemished beauty, and recognise that what they see is not glass but a thing of great value. With or without hesitation, he reaches out and accepts this gem.

It is impossible to say what will affect each person's heart. 99.9% of those who come to this forum will, as described so beautifully by yourself, pass on by. These do not interest me. The one that interests me, even if I never see, hear or otherwise of that one, is the one whose heart will prompt them to look a little deeper, going beyond mere prophecy into the true meaning of this wondrous and encompassing Revelation.

And even for the 99.9% - who can tell whether at some time in their future they meet with another Baha'i, and the memory they have of any previous contact becomes the basement for the slow emergence of understanding and knowing. A lifetime is not to long to learn.

It is like the horse which one has led to water and does not drink - quite clearly the horse is not thirsty; perhaps the effort may have been better spent getting a horse that is thirsty and taking that down to the water.

Perhaps the 99.9% are not thirsty - they are free not to drink; one day, they may become thirsty and may be left with only the memory of water, and not water itself .. at that point, they may go seeking the water again and finally drink. The water is offered for the 0,1% who are thirsty

With my most warm greetings

Romane

PS (or btw) - it was an explanation of the fulfillment of Biblical prophecies that originally caused me to recognise Baha'u'llah and the Bab and declare my acceptance of Baha'u'llah. But that is another story again

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Old 05-10-2018, 05:38 PM   #5
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My Arabic is not good, but:

Dar = دار = House
Salam = سلام = Peace
Thus: Dar-el-Salam = "House of Peace" or "Home of Peace". So your translations do refer to "Dar-el-Salam", just in English.
My appreciation for this. I had spoken in assumption, but your answer is clear and elucidating. Of course, in an English translation, they would generally use the English words.

With my most warm greetings

Romane
 
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