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Old 05-13-2018, 11:19 AM   #1
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Spiritual powers/spirituality

Can we attain spiritual powers? Spiritual abilities ? Are these results of an increase in spirituality? My mind has wondered here after meeting a very devoted Bahá'í whos Spirituality was mind blowing, and in her presence I experienced many myserious things which I can only put down to her spirituality as I am no way comparing her to Abdul Baha but I have heard stories of people being in Awe of Abdul Baha and after meeting him saying things like 'you should have just seen him' I to am unable to describe what she was able to do to me what it was something but that's not important. What I am asking is these spiritual powers are they available to us all? I have heard the writings talk about spirituality allowing us to discern truths but is there more it can do ?
 
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Old 05-13-2018, 12:33 PM   #2
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I have met one such person. She had gifts before she became a Baha'i. But before she became a Baha'i, she was already speaking to God, and when she heard of Baha'u'llah she recognized Him.
The world is like a crown ornate with mysteries. Deep wonders lie hidden within the world.
The Bible makes it clear that humble people, sinners, who are not spiritual giants but who have a deeply-rooted faith in the Manifestation can acceed to powers through the Spirit that makes them serve God accordingly to a mission.

I notice that this kind of gifts is most often met in the presence of women believers. But every one receives skills according to God's plan. People are endowed with physical, intellectual, artistic or spiritual abilities that need to bear fruits in order to please the Lord.

We shall just be humble, thank Him, and walk the way.

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Old 05-13-2018, 02:55 PM   #3
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Can we attain spiritual powers? Spiritual abilities ? Are these results of an increase in spirituality? My mind has wondered here after meeting a very devoted Bahá'í whos Spirituality was mind blowing, and in her presence I experienced many myserious things which I can only put down to her spirituality as I am no way comparing her to Abdul Baha but I have heard stories of people being in Awe of Abdul Baha and after meeting him saying things like 'you should have just seen him' I to am unable to describe what she was able to do to me what it was something but that's not important. What I am asking is these spiritual powers are they available to us all? I have heard the writings talk about spirituality allowing us to discern truths but is there more it can do ?


What kind of spiritual powers are you referring to exactly here?


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Old 05-14-2018, 01:00 AM   #4
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I'd say it depends entirely on what specific things you are referring to, as there is a lot of 'fluff' so to speak out there that does not work. However I would say that certain 'powers' (if you could call them that) are very much possible to cultivate in anyone with enough practice. In my mid teens I spent much of my time absorbed in a type of spiritual projection, something in the vein (but not the same as) astral projection.

I don't recall where but I recall when I first heard of the faith reading that Abdu'l-Baha had warned people of trying to develop such abilities, assumably because of the potential self harm (or possibly harm to others??) they can cause.

I'm running on pretty much no sleep right now so I'm probably sounding all over the place, hah.
 
Old 05-14-2018, 11:02 AM   #5
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I don't recall where but I recall when I first heard of the faith reading that Abdu'l-Baha had warned people of trying to develop such abilities, assumably because of the potential self harm (or possibly harm to others??) they can cause.
I remember reading something similar, though I can't remember exactly where, nor can I find the original source or remember whether it was Abdu'l-Baha or Shoghi Effendi who stated the thing...

If I am remembering correctly, trying to develop such abilities is discouraged not because of the potential of harm, but because those abilities are aspects of ourselves designed for working in the next world, and thus they don't have a whole lot of use (at least not "proper use") in this world.

It's like when you are in your mothers womb, you technically have the capacity of taste, but trying to develop a refined palate when still inside the womb is a futile effort, since the fundamental use of that sensory organ is reliant on things outside of the world of the womb.

There are probably "spiritual abilities" that sort-of function in this world, but that we could not take full use of ~ Like how the sense of hearing in the womb could potentially hear some muffled things outside of the womb, but fundamentally your hearing will be better when you are born and there aren't organs and flesh between you and the sounds of the outside world.

But there's probably other things that we won't be able to make use of at all while in this world ~ Much like taste and sight are useless inside the womb, but we still technically have those abilities while there.

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Old 05-14-2018, 01:11 PM   #6
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This may be that quote;

1735. Psychic Powers in Children—Dangerous to Cultivate
"What ‘Abdu’l-Bahá always pointed out in this matter is that these psychic powers were not to be used in this world, and that, indeed, it was dangerous to cultivate them here. They should be left dormant, and not exploited, even when we do so with the sincere belief we are helping others. We do not understand their nature and have no way of being sure of what is true and what is false in such matters.

If children are inclined to be psychic they should not be blamed for it too harshly; they should not be encouraged to strengthen their powers in this direction."

(From a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer, March 4, 1946: Ibid.)

Link to more -

https://bahai.works/Lights_of_Guidan...chic_Phenomena

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A spiritual power/ability is Intution .. Which we are told to use .. this thread seems to have been concluded by the idea that all spiritual powers are to be avoided I don't think that's correct, Because I don't think Abdul Baha meant that all spiritual abilities should be avoided ..
 
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A spiritual power/ability is Intution .. Which we are told to use .. this thread seems to have been concluded by the idea that all spiritual powers are to be avoided I don't think that's correct, Because I don't think Abdul Baha meant that all spiritual abilities should be avoided ..
Well to clarify, my own post was only talking about the types of "spiritual powers" that was being spoken of in the post "I don't recall where but I recall when I first heard of the faith reading that Abdu'l-Baha had warned people of trying to develop such abilities, assumably because of the potential self harm (or possibly harm to others??) they can cause."

I didn't mean to speak about all "spiritual powers". Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough.

The whole term "Spiritual Powers" is overly broad in my opinion.

Prayer is a spiritual power.

As is, say, the ability to perceive the souls of the dead.

But while the first one is something that we can make use of now, the second one is something that will become very important when we ourselves are dead, but is not a power of use in the here-and-now.

The type we have warnings against trying to make use of are the spiritual abilities whose capacities are intended for the hereafter.
 
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That is indeed the quote Tony! Thank you!! And yes I also was not referring to all spiritual abilities.
 
Old 05-16-2018, 07:11 AM   #10
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I believe that such spiritual powers are available to the human soul. If we purify it enough, then we can reach the source. just like GoaForce, I know a man who could speak to Heaven even before becoming a Bahai and afterwards his abilities grew incredibly. my grandmother had some spiritual powers as well, and I, too, have somethings (tho I am not very pure). so yes, I do believe in the possibility of having them.
 
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I think we need clarity on what is being referred to as a spiritual power so we can identify it in the Bahá’í Writings.

The reference to just spiritual powers is too vague and general to be able to be able to address it.

There are accepted spiritual powers of healing. Intuition is another one accepted but there are no Baha’i ‘healers’ as such.

And although things like seances are forbidden we can pray for the departed. We have no such thing as interpreters of dreams or palm readers. We do not believe in things like astrology or reincarnation either but we accept science.

These are just some specific examples.




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Old 05-16-2018, 07:55 AM   #12
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We have no such thing as interpreters of dreams
That is incorrect.

'Abdu'l-Baha did dream interpretation for an Ottoman official (which is an interesting read), Baha'u'llah's father went to a dream interpreter to uncover the meaning behind a dream about his son, and the Bab and Baha'u'llah both had revelations that begun with dreams. And I know of one Baha'i with an interesting blog on dreaming and interpretation.
 
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Yes there have been special unique instances like the ones you mentioned. The point I was making is that we don’t have things like authoritative dream interpreters or psychics or Bahá’í spiritual healers.


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Old 05-16-2018, 10:13 AM   #14
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Yes there have been special unique instances like the ones you mentioned. The point I was making is that we don’t have things like authoritative dream interpreters or psychics or Bahá’í spiritual healers.


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Even then, I'm sure there are various individual Baha'i's that are capable of such things, perhaps just not doing it specifically in the name of the faith?

Also I'm curious to see if projection as I mentioned in my initial post is mentioned anywhere in the Baha'i writings :P
 
Old 05-16-2018, 10:21 AM   #15
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Also I'm curious to see if projection as I mentioned in my initial post is mentioned anywhere in the Baha'i writings :P
Perhaps this??

"Behold how the thing which thou hast seen in thy dream is, after a considerable lapse of time, fully realized" (Gleanings)

Or this??

"There are three kinds of dreams. One is a true vision, which is even as the morning light and has no need of interpretation. Exactly what is seen, the same thing occurs." (Abdu'l-Baha)

Though both seem like they'd describe a type of projection through both space and time.
 
Old 05-19-2018, 12:55 PM   #16
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A lady read my mind? She was part of the NSA! She was incredibly spiritual! I don't know what to make of this except I must say I am very determined to grow spiritually to maybe get a glimpse of what her state of being feels like. When we are told to grow spiritually what is really meant?
 
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