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Old 05-24-2018, 09:18 AM   #1
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Seeking advice

Ever since becoming a Bahá'í i have never been passionate about the Ruhi courses. To 'be firm in the covenant' means to submit and respect and obey the UHJ, I am being advised by the institution members that my best steps would be to do the courses. Many devoted if not all Bahá'í are engaged in the present plan, I am feeling guilty as I feel I must have some disease of the heart if I am unable to submit to or turn away from the Ruhi courses and the whole present plan. I am very passionate about teaching and everything about the Bahá'í life But the Ruhi courses just does not appeal to me, but I want to be a good Bahá'í. Could this be a test ? I know God tests humans, Noah had failed prophecies to test his followers? I really am confused .. I am just going to keep and keep contemplating and meditating on this .. I hope God helps me
 
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Old 05-24-2018, 10:25 AM   #2
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What about regarding this as an allergy? You are not alone in being allergic to force feeding.

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Old 05-24-2018, 11:44 AM   #3
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Ever since becoming a Bahá'í i have never been passionate about the Ruhi courses. To 'be firm in the covenant' means to submit and respect and obey the UHJ, I am being advised by the institution members that my best steps would be to do the courses. Many devoted if not all Bahá'í are engaged in the present plan, I am feeling guilty as I feel I must have some disease of the heart if I am unable to submit to or turn away from the Ruhi courses and the whole present plan. I am very passionate about teaching and everything about the Bahá'í life But the Ruhi courses just does not appeal to me, but I want to be a good Bahá'í.
Yeah, the format doesn't appeal to me either. I'm in a Ruhi group, but that's just for the community.

I actually don't like the format at all. I'm the kind of guy who wants to sit down with an entire book and read the whole thing from start to finish. Reading out-of-context snippets presented in the Ruhi books just makes me wish I was reading the books that those quotes came from instead.

But then again I'm clearly in the minority in my own preferences. I love diving into symbolism/mysticism heavy writing, things that my fiance says make her head hurt to try to read.

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Could this be a test ?
Maybe, but not in the way that you're thinking.

I don't think it's a test designed to make you accept a mode of learning that clearly isn't for you (or me, for that matter), but it may be a test or challenge to find a different modus of learning that works best for you.

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To 'be firm in the covenant' means to submit and respect and obey the UHJ, I am being advised by the institution members that my best steps would be to do the courses. Many devoted if not all Bahá'í are engaged in the present plan, I am feeling guilty as I feel I must have some disease of the heart if I am unable to submit to or turn away from the Ruhi courses and the whole present plan.
The Ruhi program exists because, I assume, the format appeals to a majority of people. However, that does not mean it is the best method to learn for everyone, and in fact the UHJ says as much: "It is natural that any given educational program would not appeal to everyone and that some would not wish to participate." (UHJ, 27 April 2003)

So you not wanting to use the Ruhi format is natural and expected, and that's according to the UHJ itself!! And the UHJ allows for people not wanting to participate in that specific program. So you're not any less of a Baha'i for having preferences just as the UHJ says people will naturally have.

The institutions just offer the program because it apparently works for most people (present company excluded), but a educational program that worked for everyone would be unnatural, given that the natural state of things is "Unity in Diversity".

I'd be more worried if there was a system people claimed worked for everyone... that'd point to worrying levels of conformity.
 
Old 05-24-2018, 01:06 PM   #4
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Yeah, the format doesn't appeal to me either. I'm in a Ruhi group, but that's just for the community.

I actually don't like the format at all. I'm the kind of guy who wants to sit down with an entire book and read the whole thing from start to finish. Reading out-of-context snippets presented in the Ruhi books just makes me wish I was reading the books that those quotes came from instead.

But then again I'm clearly in the minority in my own preferences. I love diving into symbolism/mysticism heavy writing, things that my fiance says make her head hurt to try to read.



Maybe, but not in the way that you're thinking.

I don't think it's a test designed to make you accept a mode of learning that clearly isn't for you (or me, for that matter), but it may be a test or challenge to find a different modus of learning that works best for you.



The Ruhi program exists because, I assume, the format appeals to a majority of people. However, that does not mean it is the best method to learn for everyone, and in fact the UHJ says as much: "It is natural that any given educational program would not appeal to everyone and that some would not wish to participate." (UHJ, 27 April 2003)

So you not wanting to use the Ruhi format is natural and expected, and that's according to the UHJ itself!! And the UHJ allows for people not wanting to participate in that specific program. So you're not any less of a Baha'i for having preferences just as the UHJ says people will naturally have.

The institutions just offer the program because it apparently works for most people (present company excluded), but a educational program that worked for everyone would be unnatural, given that the natural state of things is "Unity in Diversity".

I'd be more worried if there was a system people claimed worked for everyone... that'd point to worrying levels of conformity.
Thanks walrus ! Everything you said has helped my last concern is .. The UHJ and the Bahá'í world Is focused on the present plan! The present plan and a call to heroism has been called for the youth at the latest gathering for youth hosted by NSA of Uk .. All things which count towards the present plan and forming communities with intensive programmes of growth are mostly Ruhi inspired activists .. Study circles JY groups and children's classes the only I guess I can contribute to is devotionals. I feel bad for not being able to participate in the present plan!? Abdul Baha would surely only be engrossed in the present plan .. But I really can't imagine Abdul Baha being engaged in Ruhi sorry but it's just my feeling. Maybe he would.
 
Old 05-25-2018, 07:35 AM   #5
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It took me from when the Ruhi courses first came out, and I did the first book, til 2017 and I started Book 8 to enjoy Ruhi. I told myself never again after the first book, but I wanted to learn more about the Covenant, so I have thoroughly enjoyed all the books dealing with that. We are human, so subject content and company matter. I have found a very open minded and knowledgeable study group that I thoroughly enjoy, and we have not only studied Ruhi 8, but Foundations of Faith: the Parallel Lives of God's Messengers, the Kitab-I-Aqdas and I am looking forward to Ruhi 9. I don't know if I will ever study all the Ruhi books. Whether we are studying God's word, sharing his message, serving others, HUUQU'LLAH, studying Ruhi, if we are not doing it with a pure, happy and grateful heart, it is better to wait until our heart is ready.
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Old 05-25-2018, 10:12 AM   #6
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Thanks walrus ! Everything you said has helped my last concern is .. The UHJ and the Bahá'í world Is focused on the present plan! The present plan and a call to heroism has been called for the youth at the latest gathering for youth hosted by NSA of Uk .. All things which count towards the present plan and forming communities with intensive programmes of growth are mostly Ruhi inspired activists .. Study circles JY groups and children's classes the only I guess I can contribute to is devotionals. I feel bad for not being able to participate in the present plan!? Abdul Baha would surely only be engrossed in the present plan .. But I really can't imagine Abdul Baha being engaged in Ruhi sorry but it's just my feeling. Maybe he would.
Well if that's your concern, if you are concerned you can't help a plan directly, you can perhaps help indirectly. Anything you do that can help the Faith helps the current plan, even if it doesn't directly relate.

Just as an example, say you get into a discussion (maybe a discussion on a Scripture or something) with another Baha'i and give them some new ideas through that. That Baha'i goes on a Ruhi group somewhere and is able to use those ideas to help his Ruhi group understand something else they read. In the scenario described above you have helped the Ruhi effort without even attending a Ruhi group.

Or maybe even something as simple as cooking a meal for an elderly Baha'i could allow them to have more free time to help the plan in a more direct manner.

Everything is interconnected. It's hard to think of anything that would help the Faith that wouldn't, in some way, help the plan in at least an indirect manner.

So I'd say find the way that works best to you to help the Faith, even if that is just private study (because more knowledge to even an individual Baha'i is helpful for the whole of the group when it comes to discussion). Whatever you do will help in some way, and contribute even if the manner of the contribution is not outwardly obvious.
 
Old 05-25-2018, 12:32 PM   #7
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Ever since becoming a Bahá'í i have never been passionate about the Ruhi courses. To 'be firm in the covenant' means to submit and respect and obey the UHJ, I am being advised by the institution members that my best steps would be to do the courses. Many devoted if not all Bahá'í are engaged in the present plan, I am feeling guilty as I feel I must have some disease of the heart if I am unable to submit to or turn away from the Ruhi courses and the whole present plan. I am very passionate about teaching and everything about the Bahá'í life But the Ruhi courses just does not appeal to me, but I want to be a good Bahá'í. Could this be a test ? I know God tests humans, Noah had failed prophecies to test his followers? I really am confused .. I am just going to keep and keep contemplating and meditating on this .. I hope God helps me
Thanks all for advice. My opinion now is the covenant is the unifying power of the faith and I am Going to humbly submit to it, also with my striving the love of Ruhi courses has entered my heart. Thank God .. Thanks everybody for all advice
 
Old 05-25-2018, 12:52 PM   #8
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Thanks walrus ! Everything you said has helped my last concern is .. The UHJ and the Bahá'í world Is focused on the present plan! The present plan and a call to heroism has been called for the youth at the latest gathering for youth hosted by NSA of Uk .. All things which count towards the present plan and forming communities with intensive programmes of growth are mostly Ruhi inspired activists .. Study circles JY groups and children's classes the only I guess I can contribute to is devotionals. I feel bad for not being able to participate in the present plan!? Abdul Baha would surely only be engrossed in the present plan .. But I really can't imagine Abdul Baha being engaged in Ruhi sorry but it's just my feeling. Maybe he would.

I did not do my first Rhui until 2014. I then went through books 1 to 8, but not book 5. I miss doing them in a group, as we are yet to find a way to introduce the course to our remote community.

What I did find is if you sit down in a group and the aim is to learn and build our unity, then there are no downsides.

I see these courses are embraced in places like the Solomon Islands, and it has become a way to educate the masses. That it works so well in these places brought the thought that it was only my pride and previous learning that had held me back.

In the end the Faith needed direction, there is no doubt about that as many techers in the 60's to 80's could tell of. There was lots of teaching and very little followup consolodation, which in turn did more harm than good. Many people that became Baha'i never saw any deepening. The area where I live has dozens if scattered Baha'is on the books, not one of them could tell you about the Baha'i Faith. Rhui filled an urgent need.

Rhui gives structure to teaching and deepening and I see this is why it was embraced by the Universal House of Justice. I also see time is running out for humanity to embrace this process and it is only our own selves that we can change.

I also see this as a call to service, a call that was offered by the Bab, Baha'u'llah, Abdul'baha, Shoghi Effendi and now the Universal House of Justice. They can give us the advice, but they can not force us to partake of it, that is for each Baha'i to find in their own heart.

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