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Old 06-03-2018, 08:38 AM   #1
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Smile The Baha'i Faith and Alcohol Consumption

Hello Everyone,

I know i have heard the Faith forbids The consumption of alcohol. my question is this rule a convent breaker type of rule? or use your own discretion. reason i ask is i have seen certain celebrity baha'is Eva LaRue for one who partakes in Alcohol drinks time to time i assume. She even has a drink recipe on her site She does proclaim to be a Baha'i i have seen links on her website to the Baha'i faith website. so she is sharing her faith.

Any thoughts discussions. thanks.

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Old 06-03-2018, 10:54 AM   #2
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Hi,

Drinking alcohol is clearly forbidden by Baha'u'llah, but but if a Baha'i still does drink some, it may be a personal struggle which they may take time to get over, or perhaps they are not deepened enough in the faith to understand that they should completely give up alcohol.

It is not a question of covenant breaking. Covenant breaking is where someone tries to split the Faith into a separate sect by denying the authority of the Universal House of Justice, or previously, the authority of Shoghi Effendi or Abdu'l-Baha.

I really don't know about the specific case of actress Eva LaRue, just because there is some mention of drinks somewhere on her website doesn't mean she does. In general, we should see everyone as a child of God, not look at the shortcomings of others, but focus on improving our own behavior.

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Old 06-03-2018, 11:25 AM   #3
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Hi,

Drinking alcohol is clearly forbidden by Baha'u'llah, but but if a Baha'i still does drink some, it may be a personal struggle which they may take time to get over, or perhaps they are not deepened enough in the faith to understand that they should completely give up alcohol.

It is not a question of covenant breaking. Covenant breaking is where someone tries to split the Faith into a separate sect by denying the authority of the Universal House of Justice, or previously, the authority of Shoghi Effendi or Abdu'l-Baha.

I really don't know about the specific case of actress Eva LaRue, just because there is some mention of drinks somewhere on her website doesn't mean she does. In general, we should see everyone as a child of God, not look at the shortcomings of others, but focus on improving our own behavior.
For someone who supposedly grew up in the faith i think she has a pretty good understanding i would think? but you are right.

Thank you for your response.

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Old 06-03-2018, 11:27 AM   #4
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Hello Everyone,

I know i have heard the Faith forbids The consumption of alcohol. my question is this rule a convent breaker type of rule? or use your own discretion. reason i ask is i have seen certain celebrity baha'is Eva LaRue for one who partakes in Alcohol drinks time to time i assume. She even has a drink recipe on her site She does proclaim to be a Baha'i i have seen links on her website to the Baha'i faith website. so she is sharing her faith.

Any thoughts discussions. thanks.
The law on this on the Baha'i Faith is clear, no Alcohol except if medically prescribed. Personally to me that also includes alcohol in cooking.

As JCC said it is not Covenant breaking.

Humanities struggles with its consumption is also evident and has become a major issue, a great veil to knowing and loving God.

With this matter we control our own selves and if we have concerns, we mention those to the elected representives and let them decide upon the matter.

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Old 06-03-2018, 11:52 AM   #5
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Thanks for your response Tony.
 
Old 06-03-2018, 12:00 PM   #6
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...i have heard the Faith forbids The consumption of alcohol...
That's what I've heard too, although I've also heard that it doesn't apply when a doctor advises booze drinking. That's why a while back I got a doctor who likes alcohol to tell me to go ahead & drink it so now I got a free pass.

otoh, the fact remains that drinking flammable liquids --even under a doctor's instruction-- has its side effects. For a guy (among other things) over time it lowers sexual energy, shrinks testicles, and enlarges breasts.

I decided to ignore my doctor's recommendations and take my chances.
 
Old 06-03-2018, 12:08 PM   #7
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...to me that also includes alcohol in cooking...
A rumor I've heard is that the Guardian also said it applies to vanilla extract but I still see most of the friends eating ice cream w/o problems. I also understand that bananas (and certain other fresh fruits) can contain say, 0.03% alcohol.
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...Humanities struggles with its consumption is also evident and has become a major issue, a great veil to knowing and loving God...
Absolutely. We've all personally seen far too many lives ruined by alcohol addiction. Tragic.
 
Old 06-03-2018, 12:51 PM   #8
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Being clear headed is the better option in my view.
 
Old 06-03-2018, 12:54 PM   #9
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A rumor I've heard is that the Guardian also said it applies to vanilla extract but I still see most of the friends eating ice cream w/o problems. I also understand that bananas (and certain other fresh fruits) can contain say, 0.03% alcohol. Absolutely. We've all personally seen far too many lives ruined by alcohol addiction. Tragic.
Allah'u'abha Pete I hope you are well and Happy!

This is an individual choice, for me it was easy as my grandmother never wanted me to touch alcohol, thus when the Baha'i Law was made aware, it was very easy for me to go 100% on this law.

No natural food contains alcohol, it appears it is sugar alcohol.

Sugar alcohol when compared to alcohol are not One in the Same. We should not be be confused. Although they share a similar name, sugar alcohol and alcoholic beverages do not have the same chemical structure. Sugar alcohol does not contain ethanol, which is found in alcoholic beverages.

Also it has been found all alcohol is not all burnt off in cooking;

"A study from the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Nutrient Data Laboratory showed that it can take longer than two and a half hours for all the alcohol to be cooked out of food to which wine or some other alcoholic beverage has been added. The study showed that the amount of alcohol remaining depends in part on the cooking method. For example, after brandy has been “flamed” – poured on foods and then set alight – approximately 75 percent of the alcohol remains after the flames have died down.

The study also revealed that alcohol content diminishes with cooking time. After being added to food that then is baked or simmered for 15 minutes, 40 percent of the alcohol will be retained. After cooking for an hour, only about 25 percent will remain, but even after 2.5 hours of cooking, five percent of the alcohol will still be there. Of course, the amount of alcohol in an individual serving will be quite low..."

As Baha'u'llah's Laws are the Elixir to the well being of all Humanity, it is up to each of us how much of this well being we implement in our own lives and thus radiate the change to others.

If we fail to do this, we are still part of the disease.

Regards Tony
 
Old 06-03-2018, 12:56 PM   #10
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Being clear headed is the better option in my view.
100% so, I'm with you on that and the writings do mention that should be our choice

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Old 06-05-2018, 05:40 AM   #11
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Eva LaRue for one who partakes in Alcohol drinks time to time i assume. She even has a drink recipe on her site
Perhaps she uses alcohol free liqueurs in drink recipes??
 
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A rumor I've heard is that the Guardian also said it applies to vanilla extract but I still see most of the friends eating ice cream w/o problems.
I don't think that rumor is true, given that the UHJ has weighed in on the subject:

"You ask whether it is permissible for the friends to use cake flavours, such as vanilla, lemon and rum flavoured extracts, as such flavours have a certain percentage of alcohol in them... We have found no texts prohibiting the friends from using flavoured extracts in their food. This may be a matter for later legislation by the Universal House of Justice but for the time being the friends should be left free to do as they choose."

--The Universal House of Justice April 7, 1974

Which is how I personally am able to lawfully bake rum cakes. The point of the law is to not muddle our minds, and so obviously things like vanilla ice cream that have no effect on our minds should be permissible.
 
Old 06-05-2018, 10:13 AM   #13
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Perhaps she uses alcohol free liqueurs in drink recipes??
I never heard of alcohol free mescal...
 
Old 06-05-2018, 11:07 AM   #14
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I never heard of alcohol free mescal...
Based on the taste (which I've had pre-Baha'i) I'd say non-alcoholic mescal would just be a campfire mixed with water.

But on a more serious note, yeah I don't know of any non-alcoholic mescals either, though it's easy enough to find alcohol-free tequila and mescal is the same as tequila, just with smoking the agave plant before the rest of the tequila-making process, so I'd assume it's out there somewhere.

But now that I've found the post in question, the last sentence leaves little room for doubt that this is not a virgin cocktail ("Caveat- Tequila can cause injury (from falling of of tables), and pregnancy ").

But it's also possible that this site is not maintained by LaRue herself, since the vast majority of celebrities do not handle their own social media, but rather pay PR teams to do it for them maintaining the illusion that the posts are made by them personally. So it could be the site is managed by people employed by LaRue by some PR firm, and the firm thought adding such a recipe would make their client look more in touch with the public.

And it is also totally possible that Walrus tries way to hard to give people the benefit of the doubt sometimes and can't bring himself to think of someone negatively without absolute proof of their intent first . That's fairly likely. But assuming the post in question is indeed her words, then the prohibition against fault-finding bars me from saying too much.
 
Old 06-08-2018, 05:58 AM   #15
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Hey Tony, so good to hear from you!
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...No natural food contains alcohol, it appears it is sugar alcohol...
There may be some confusion/controversy about this. My take is similar to--
Abstract. Ethanol is a naturally occurring substance resulting from the fermentation by yeast of fruit sugars. The association between yeasts and angiosperms dates to the Cretaceous, and dietary exposure of diverse frugivorous taxa to ethanol is similarly ancient.Aug 1, 2004
Ethanol, Fruit Ripening, and the Historical Origins of Human ...
https://academic.oup.com/icb/article/44/4/315/800304
--but this may apply to something else. Bottom line though, drinking flammable liquids is bad news.
 
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...such as vanilla, lemon and rum flavoured extracts, as such flavours have a certain percentage of alcohol in them... We have found no texts prohibiting the friends from using flavoured extracts...
Super! Now I don't have to eat my ice cream cones in the closet any more...
 
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Yea! you can come out of the closet now.
 
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