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Old 07-03-2018, 05:42 AM   #1
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Climate Change: A Chiefly Spiritual Challenge Or Not

In 2015 we witnessed an unprecedented level of international activism to combat climate change, when virtually all countries signed the Paris Climate Accords.

This remarkable milestone in human history marks the very first time the nations of the world have agreed on anything, and fulfills one of the major principles and prophecies of the Baha’i teachings.

What did Abdu’l-Baha say about it

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:33 PM   #2
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It was a great step to confirm what needs to be done in future undertakings.

Personally I find Life is a Spiritual challenge.

It is great to see the events happening around the world that show that Baha'u'llah has given the Elixer.

Look at the story of the boys now trapped in a cave, people are coming from around the world to help. Great! Wonderful!

These are glimpses of what the world will be, I personally see that God will grab humanities shoulders soon, we do need a shake!

Meanwhile, undertaking activities in building our communities is utmost importance.

Regards Tony
 
Old 07-03-2018, 11:04 PM   #3
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It was a great step to confirm what needs to be done in future undertakings.

Personally I find Life is a Spiritual challenge.

It is great to see the events happening around the world that show that Baha'u'llah has given the Elixer.

Look at the story of the boys now trapped in a cave, people are coming from around the world to help. Great! Wonderful!

These are glimpses of what the world will be, I personally see that God will grab humanities shoulders soon, we do need a shake!

Meanwhile, undertaking activities in building our communities is utmost importance.

Regards Tony


Yes, Tony you're right. Every time I witness such a collaboration of different people to save others I can't help but cry. Because it is what they call unity.

People often ask why does God allow suffering. Well here is the obvious answer: to force us to think, to force us to unite, to finally understand that there are no nations, no races, but just PEOPLE who need help, and who need to be loved
 
Old 07-04-2018, 12:12 PM   #4
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Yes, Tony you're right. Every time I witness such a collaboration of different people to save others I can't help but cry. Because it is what they call unity.

People often ask why does God allow suffering. Well here is the obvious answer: to force us to think, to force us to unite, to finally understand that there are no nations, no races, but just PEOPLE who need help, and who need to be loved
Well said Karen. Who are we not to Love? How can we not love all when we know what Baha'u'llah has done for us and gifted us Abdul'Baha to show us all what is True Love.

Personally my heart longs to find this true unity and Separation is very testing, but I guess that is our lot in life. As Abdul'baha has said, Little by Little Day by Day. Patience is a virtue hard to find!

Stay strong and happy and all the best. Regards Tony
 
Old 07-06-2018, 05:35 PM   #5
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...Every time I witness such a collaboration of different people to save others I can't help but cry...
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It was a great step to confirm what needs to be done in future undertakings...
Our difficulty here is balancing the fact that this is a passionate subject demanding our heartfelt attention, and it's also a devisive controversy that can inflame partisan conflict. Guidance from The World Centre in a letter of 29 November 2017:
...A phenomenon as complex as climate change cannot be reduced to simple propositions or simplistic policy prescriptions. Even when there is agreement on some underlying facts, there may be a diversity of views about what to do in response to those facts, and the problem is compounded when uncertainty exists or when basic facts are contested for partisan reasons...
We don't want to antagonize some very good people who can care a lot about the well being of humankind and still doubt say, that polar bears are threatened by CO2
 
Old 07-06-2018, 06:40 PM   #6
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Our difficulty here is balancing the fact that this is a passionate subject demanding our heartfelt attention, and it's also a devisive controversy that can inflame partisan conflict. Guidance from The World Centre in a letter of 29 November 2017:
...A phenomenon as complex as climate change cannot be reduced to simple propositions or simplistic policy prescriptions. Even when there is agreement on some underlying facts, there may be a diversity of views about what to do in response to those facts, and the problem is compounded when uncertainty exists or when basic facts are contested for partisan reasons...
We don't want to antagonize some very good people who can care a lot about the well being of humankind and still doubt say, that polar bears are threatened by CO2
Greetings Pete, I hope you are well.

I see the world trying to implement aspects of the required remedy and those efforts are always welcomed. In the end they are ingredients of the ultimate elixir, but not the elixir itself, thus Personally, this following quote sums it up very well for me.

CXX: "O ye the elected representatives of the people in every land! Take ye counsel together, and let your concern be only for that which profiteth mankind, and bettereth the condition thereof, if ye be of them that scan heedfully. Regard the world as the human body which, though at its creation whole and perfect, hath been afflicted, through various causes, with grave disorders and maladies. Not for one day did it gain ease, nay its sickness waxed more severe, as it fell under the treatment of ignorant physicians, who gave full rein to their personal desires, and have erred grievously. And if, at one time, through the care of an able physician, a member of that body was healed, the rest remained afflicted as before. Thus informeth you the All-Knowing, the All-Wise.
We behold it, in this day, at the mercy of rulers so drunk with pride that they cannot discern clearly their own best advantage, much less recognize a Revelation so bewildering and challenging as this. And whenever any one of them hath striven to improve its condition, his motive hath been his own gain, whether confessedly so or not; and the unworthiness of this motive hath limited his power to heal or cure.
That which the Lord hath ordained as the sovereign remedy and mightiest instrument for the healing of all the world is the union of all its peoples in one universal Cause, one common Faith. This can in no wise be achieved except through the power of a skilled, an all-powerful and inspired Physician. This, verily, is the truth, and all else naught but error."

The disunity we have created in the Mind of Humanity is our greatest ill and the passage gives us the only path, thus to work under the guidance given by the power of the skilled, an all-powerful, inspired Physician is our way forward.

How to balance what we need to do, with the many efforts others think need to be done, is the challenge of this age we live in.

Regards Tony
 
Old 07-07-2018, 04:00 AM   #7
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Greetings Pete... ...How to balance what we need to do, with the many efforts others think need to be done, is the challenge of this age we live in...
Always a genuine pleasure Tony.

Reality sure is an adventure. The highest realms of human endeavors concern how we create wealth, our spiritual path, and how we participate in the greater community. At the same time we keep finding that dinner table chats can turn sour when we bring up religion, politics, or how much money we make.

Maybe life's like a video game, if it were too easy then nobody would want to play it.
 
Old 07-07-2018, 01:07 PM   #8
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Always a genuine pleasure Tony.

Reality sure is an adventure. The highest realms of human endeavors concern how we create wealth, our spiritual path, and how we participate in the greater community. At the same time we keep finding that dinner table chats can turn sour when we bring up religion, politics, or how much money we make.

Maybe life's like a video game, if it were too easy then nobody would want to play it.
Thank you Pete for that wisdom, life is indeed a very tricky game.

With all this Pete I am finding silence is best while we serve all at the dinner table. The wisdom of what to say and how much to say is difficult to find. It is strange part of life that Baha'u'llah gifts an ocean and with many of us, only a drop can be shared, if it can be shared at all.

What says it best is turning the words to actions, this process is our biggest fight with self.

I hope all is well in your part of the world with you, family and community. Wishing you alwats tge best, Regards Tony
 
Old 07-07-2018, 04:44 PM   #9
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...finding silence is best while we serve all at the dinner table...
So many times I've wished that I'd been silent, iirc there's some sacred guidance to the affect that not every word is true, not every truth is timely, not every timely word is appropriate --or something like that.

The problem I'm dealing w/ is the fact that I'm desperate for info and am constantly on the lookout for new takes one controversial subjects of which I may disagree. I learn so much more from folks who hold views I differ w/ than from folks that tell me what I already think. Another problem I'm wary of is my battle w/ my own "confirmation bias" that keeps me from the truth.

So I blunder forward.

The trap that can snag us next is how a controversy can often push a hot-button emotion --either by accident or often on purpose as many times in today's discourse there are those of us who intentionally chose to hurt others. Still, imho truth is worth risks. What I need to pray for is the wisdom to consult w/o mayhem, although I may have better luck if I prayed for something more attainable like say, making a $billion by working at home for an afternoon...
 
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