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Old 07-07-2018, 09:42 AM   #1
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I use Quantum Physic's to compliment BF.

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I use public articles and books about Quantum Physic's to supplement my understanding of all Creation. Anyone else doing this too?

I use the mental allegories I perceive to validate a source of creation and how there can truly be, more.

The 'Many World's of God' quote from Baha'ullah, alludes to the quantum physic's and it's 'many worlds' theory.

Baha'ullah says we are as close as an atom to the next realm.

References to Light in the BF, as quantum physic's explains light/photons and waves.

Quantum Physic's speaks of the theory of the so called 'physical' universe is a Hologram, not 'physical'.

The double slit experiment proves that everything of the universe is not real, not physical, we cannot literally physically touch anything, which is true, that what we see as in front of us is actually what is in our brain / mind as an image brought in through the eyes, as different wave - lengths of energy upon receptors.

Everything of physics is showing the non-physicality of the universe.

It's almost as if a tiny fraction of our consciousness (soul) is in this hologram realm where time exists, and is poking up from inside these holographic fake bodies. Yet our soul is already contained in the timeless realm.

We apparently are (our body form) composed of waves which exist outside time, and these waves when confronted by Higgs-Boson are 'slowed down' to make a state of the illusion of time.

Math shows Time cannot be proven to linear, or, doesn't really exist. We know that at the speed of light, waves are free of time. We are composed of waves too, so is everything.

Perhaps upon 'death' our consciousness becomes free of Higgs-Boson and pulls back into the realm where we emanate from and to the timeless state where we are aware of everything, anywhere, past present and future. This is what the math alludes to.

There are no definitive answers but enough of the basic's answers to allow questioning the false mindset of what's physical and what we are composed of.
 
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Old 07-07-2018, 01:57 PM   #2
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Sorry Mike, I have no Science Background.

It is great you can use your understandings to make some connections.

Have you read the Tablet of the Universe by Abdul'baha? I am always amazed when I read the provisional translation, but it is mostly over my understanding.

https://bahai-library.com/abdulbaha_lawh_aflakiyyih

There has also been a person take a first look at this and how it connects to modern science.

https://medium.com/@vahidhoustonranj...e-db541a951348

Regards Tony
 
Old 07-07-2018, 02:36 PM   #3
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...Quantum Physic's to supplement my understanding of all Creation. Anyone else doing this too?...
The answer to your question is not "yes". imho the appropriate answer is HELL YES!!!!! Bless you for bringing this up, it's a topic that's been snagging my thinking for many years now.

Maybe it started for me back when me & the family were memorizing and putting to music this quote:
All the atoms of the earth bear witness, O my Lord, to the greatness of Thy power and of Thy sovereignty; and all the signs of the universe attest the glory of Thy majesty and of Thy might.
(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 299)
It's the fact that say, a century before that mathematician from India plugged gravity formulas into atomic radii and came up w/ a negative diameter, proving the existence of black-holes and departures from our space-time.
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...The double slit experiment proves that everything of the universe is not real...
There's a problem w/ our language in that concepts like "real" and "exist" are no longer useful. We can say matter has a time and place if we want, we can even say it's just an un-locate-able "wave". Reality is that the double-slit (imagine, that was way back in the 1920's!!!) showed that matter can be in two places at once and then be anywhere and then be at one specific microscopic definite location. The real kicker here is not that electrons (and all 'matter' for that 'matter') are crazy. What we've got to face is that it's OUR THINKING that's crazy and it's the electron that knows what it's doing.

All of humankind is now in an age where we have got to face the fact that God does not exist because existence itself is a mere trivia that God created one day when he was bored say, waiting for a bus or something. Like, he picked up a "B" and connected it to that "E" which he just happened to have in the other hand and---
P O W I E
--everything came into being and it's been really great!

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...upon 'death' our consciousness becomes free of Higgs-Boson and pulls back into the realm where we emanate from and to the timeless state where we are aware of everything, anywhere, past present and future. This is what the math alludes to...
Exactly. There are so many statements from Baha'u'llah on how the 'next life' is beyond our time and space (there's mention of this back in the Bible to fwiw) and it makes perfect sense.

It's the fact that we got free will. Our brains can explore possibilities mentally and then we can choose our preferred option and our world is changed. What that means is that we don't only exist in the current shared space/time (S.T.) but rather our ability to chose proves we constantly exist beyond S.T., we can see and infinite vista of possible S.T.'s, and when we make a choice our reality moves into the selected new S.T. which we coalesce into.

Icing on the cake is that we somehow bring along w/ us everyone else we know and continue to share our newly moved-into S.T.

What this also proves is that since the reality of our existence is already beyond this S.T., that when we leave this plane we can still exist in a reality as promised in the Sacred Texts. We may not be observable on this place but no problemo. My take is that not having S.T. limits suggests we'll enjoy ALL choices at once. A few days ago in fact my wife & I came across a quote from Baha'u'llah on how this world is one of choices and the next world is not.



Sorry about my ramble, you've triggered one of my hot-buttons. Anyway, does this relate to what you're thinking?
 
Old 07-07-2018, 03:10 PM   #4
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Sorry Mike, I have no Science Background.

It is great you can use your understandings to make some connections.

Have you read the Tablet of the Universe by Abdul'baha? I am always amazed when I read the provisional translation, but it is mostly over my understanding.

https://bahai-library.com/abdulbaha_lawh_aflakiyyih

There has also been a person take a first look at this and how it connects to modern science.

https://medium.com/@vahidhoustonranj...e-db541a951348

Regards Tony
I've zero math/science education either. What I read gives basic explanations. After reading 2-3 varied articles it's makes sense. The hardest part is believing that it's scientifically proven. The basic theories that many go go as far as the late 1890-1920 and have been proven finally as technology improved. Common articles about Einstein and double slit gives most information. Cheers
 
Old 07-07-2018, 04:06 PM   #5
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I've zero math/science education either. What I read gives basic explanations. After reading 2-3 varied articles it's makes sense. The hardest part is believing that it's scientifically proven. The basic theories that many go go as far as the late 1890-1920 and have been proven finally as technology improved. Common articles about Einstein and double slit gives most information. Cheers
Yes I see what you were offering in Pete's reply.

Regards Tony
 
Old 07-08-2018, 12:47 PM   #6
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Many quotes are right on target but without some basic layman's understanding of Quantum Physics probably won't make as much sense! But the two together can bring an, aha moment, as QP coincides with what God Taught through Bahaullah, We are light/energy, we are eternal, we are all 'connected' and it's very important to understand how if we are beating ourselves up, we beat up everyone.


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The answer to your question is not "yes". imho the appropriate answer is HELL YES!!!!! Bless you for bringing this up, it's a topic that's been snagging my thinking for many years now.

Maybe it started for me back when me & the family were memorizing and putting to music this quote:
All the atoms of the earth bear witness, O my Lord, to the greatness of Thy power and of Thy sovereignty; and all the signs of the universe attest the glory of Thy majesty and of Thy might.
(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 299)
It's the fact that say, a century before that mathematician from India plugged gravity formulas into atomic radii and came up w/ a negative diameter, proving the existence of black-holes and departures from our space-time.There's a problem w/ our language in that concepts like "real" and "exist" are no longer useful. We can say matter has a time and place if we want, we can even say it's just an un-locate-able "wave". Reality is that the double-slit (imagine, that was way back in the 1920's!!!) showed that matter can be in two places at once and then be anywhere and then be at one specific microscopic definite location. The real kicker here is not that electrons (and all 'matter' for that 'matter') are crazy. What we've got to face is that it's OUR THINKING that's crazy and it's the electron that knows what it's doing.

All of humankind is now in an age where we have got to face the fact that God does not exist because existence itself is a mere trivia that God created one day when he was bored say, waiting for a bus or something. Like, he picked up a "B" and connected it to that "E" which he just happened to have in the other hand and---
P O W I E
--everything came into being and it's been really great!

Exactly. There are so many statements from Baha'u'llah on how the 'next life' is beyond our time and space (there's mention of this back in the Bible to fwiw) and it makes perfect sense.

It's the fact that we got free will. Our brains can explore possibilities mentally and then we can choose our preferred option and our world is changed. What that means is that we don't only exist in the current shared space/time (S.T.) but rather our ability to chose proves we constantly exist beyond S.T., we can see and infinite vista of possible S.T.'s, and when we make a choice our reality moves into the selected new S.T. which we coalesce into.

Icing on the cake is that we somehow bring along w/ us everyone else we know and continue to share our newly moved-into S.T.

What this also proves is that since the reality of our existence is already beyond this S.T., that when we leave this plane we can still exist in a reality as promised in the Sacred Texts. We may not be observable on this place but no problemo. My take is that not having S.T. limits suggests we'll enjoy ALL choices at once. A few days ago in fact my wife & I came across a quote from Baha'u'llah on how this world is one of choicwho read about the Double Slit experiment often cannot see that it speaks to what we call our bodies and minds. At some point I myself had an aha es and the next world is not.



Sorry about my ramble, you've triggered one of my hot-buttons. Anyway, does this relate to what you're thinking?
 
Old 07-09-2018, 02:37 AM   #7
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...We are light/energy, we are eternal...
--and that's what's both spooky and exhilarating!

Materialists like to think matter (mass) is the substance of reality and energy simply just something matter does. They like like to think matter itself is made up of atoms, which are made from quarks --but now we know that the quarks are only about a couple % of the atom's mass. The other 98% is the mass of the energy the quarks have. For those of us who managed to not pass out during middle-school algebra class--

if e = mc then m = e/c

-- while normal people who slept thru that stuff can just take Einstein's word for it that the vast majority of mass is simply the energy binding the particles. Tony found posted a great link above--

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...the Tablet of the Universe by Abdul'baha? I am always amazed when I read the provisional translation...
--where Abdu'l Baha said:
Divine and all-encompassing Wisdom hath ordained that motion be an inseparable concomitant of existence, whether inherently or accidentally, spiritually or materially. This movement must be governed by some check or rein, some regulator or director, otherwise order will be disrupted and the spheres and bodies will fall from the heavens.
 
Old 07-09-2018, 02:52 AM   #8
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--and that's what's both spooky and exhilarating!

Materialists like to think matter (mass) is the substance of reality and energy simply just something matter does. They like like to think matter itself is made up of atoms, which are made from quarks --but now we know that the quarks are only about a couple % of the atom's mass. The other 98% is the mass of the energy the quarks have. For those of us who managed to not pass out during middle-school algebra class--

if e = mc then m = e/c

-- while normal people who slept thru that stuff can just take Einstein's word for it that the vast majority of mass is simply the energy binding the particles. Tony found posted a great link above--



--where Abdu'l Baha said:
Divine and all-encompassing Wisdom hath ordained that motion be an inseparable concomitant of existence, whether inherently or accidentally, spiritually or materially. This movement must be governed by some check or rein, some regulator or director, otherwise order will be disrupted and the spheres and bodies will fall from the heavens.
Great is it not, I wished I had the brains to put science to that Tablet.

Regards Tony
 
Old 07-10-2018, 04:21 PM   #9
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Great is it not, I wished I had the brains to put science to that Tablet.

Regards Tony
If it were a matter of brains you'd never have seen me at all on this thread. Brains imho are way highly over rated. Like, whether it's business, love, politics, or warfare luck beats intelligence any day of the week. Now, even tho I got lots of luck my preferred ticket to success is simply taking more time to work things out. Hey, so what if I'm a slow thinker. Even if take twice as long as the smart guys to figure something out, all I have to do is think three times as long and I come up w/ a better idea.

However I goofed up above when I posted--
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that mathematician from India plugged gravity formulas into atomic radii and came up w/ a negative diameter, proving the existence of black-holes and departures from our space-time.
My daughter explained to me that it didn't make any sense. What I meant to say was that it's really neat what we know now about leaving this universe we're in and exploring the beyond.

Like, we all know if we squeeze the toothpaste tube too hard it gooshes out the cracks so we screeze all around it. If you squeeze a 12-inch ball of iron all around by sticking in the center of the earth, it gets smooshed down to an 8-inch ball. That's a lot of pressure.

--but what that math guy from India found is that if you squeeze stuff really hard (like in the center of a super nova) it goes like the toothpaste out of the universe altogether. I mean, the numbers said our 12-inch ball of iron had the diameter go down so far that the formula gave the diameter as a negative number! That means that the iron---

---goes to the . . . g r e a t . . . . B E Y O N D ......

Later they decided to call it a 'b l a c k h o l e' [cue the 'bwahaha'].
 
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