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Old 07-10-2011, 07:37 PM   #1
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Martyrdom of the Bab

Please have you any opinions as to why the first attempt at shooting the Bab failed?
 
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Old 07-10-2011, 10:17 PM   #2
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Please have you any opinions as to why the first attempt at shooting the Bab failed?
Because it was God's will. I'm sorry if that is too simplistic!

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Old 07-10-2011, 11:02 PM   #3
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Please have you any opinions as to why the first attempt at shooting the Bab failed?
That's a great question... You'll recall that the captain of the Armenian battalion Sam Khan prayed that he would not be the one to carry out this task but he was assured to go ahead anyway and trust in God..

also His Holiness the Bab was not finished in His conversation with His secretary..

also, it threw the authorities and the people observing this around the barracks square into a state of wonder..

Seven hundred and fifty rifles going off at once must have created a deafening and raised a great cloud ... What occurred was miraculous..only the ropes were cut. The rifles in those days were not particularly accurate as they are today.. but the sheer number of them should have done the job.

The Armenians were used to do the dirty work of the military and this was true in the Ottoman Empire as well. They were a suppressed minority themselves...The parallels of the Bab's execution to the Passion of Christ probably reverberated with them being Christians also.

Some passages:

Next day the chief of the farrashes delivered over the Báb and a young man named Aqa Muhammad-'Ali who was of a noble family of Tabriz to Sam Khan, colonel of the Christian regiment of Urumiyyih, at the sentences of the learned divine Mulla Muhammad of Mamaqan, of the second ecclesiastical authority Mulla Mirza Baqir, and of the third ecclesiastical authority Mulla Murtada-Quli and others.

An iron nail was hammered into the middle of the staircase of the very cell wherein they were imprisoned, and two ropes were hung down. By one rope the Báb was suspended and by the other rope Aqa Muhammad-'Ali, both being firmly bound in such wise that the head of that young man was on the Báb's breast. The surrounding housetops billowed with teeming crowds.

A regiment of soldiers ranged itself in three files. The first file fired; then the second file, and then the third file discharged volleys. From the fire of these volleys a mighty smoke was produced.

When the smoke cleared away they saw that young man standing and the Báb seated by the side of His amanuensis Aqa Siyyid Husayn in the very cell from the staircase of which they had suspended them. To neither one of them had the slightest injury resulted.

Sam Khan the Christian asked to be excused; the turn of service came to another regiment, and the chief of the farrashes withheld his hand. Aqa Jan Big of Khamsih, colonel of the bodyguard, advanced; and they again bound the Báb together with that young man to the same nail. The Báb uttered certain words which those few who knew Persian understood, while the rest heard but the sound of His voice.

(Abdu'l-Baha, A Traveller's Narrative, p. 26)

He was in constant fear that his action in taking such a holy life
might bring upon him the wrath of God. Finally, unable to bear
this worry any longer, he approached the Báb and spoke to Him
privately. "I profess the Christian Faith," he said, "and entertain
no ill-will against you. If your Cause be the Cause of Truth, then
enable me to free myself from the obligation to shed your blood."
The Báb comforted him with these words: "Follow your instructions
and if your intention be sincere, the Almighty is surely able to
relieve you from your perplexity."


(William Sears, Release the Sun, p. 173)



The crowds had been gathering for some
time. They streamed into the public square. They came from all the
neighboring villages. Sam Khan ordered his men to drive a nail into
the pillar between the doors of the barracks. To the nail they made
fast the ropes by which the Báb and His young companion were to be
separately suspended. Thus was fulfilled before the eyes of the
people gazing upon the scene, the words of the prophecy in their
own sacred Writings which foretold that when the Promised One was
slain, He would be suspended like unto Christ before the gaze of
the public. Muhammad-'Ali begged Sam Khan to allow him to be
placed in such a manner that his own body would shield that of the
Bab. He was eventually suspended so that his head rested upon the
breast of the Báb.

The Journal Asiatique's account of that event
states: "The Báb remained silent. His pale handsome face ... his
appearance and his refined manners, his white delicate hands, his
simple but very neat garments -- everything about him awakened
sympathy and compassion."


(William Sears, Release the Sun, p. 173)

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Old 07-11-2011, 04:18 AM   #4
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God does not work outside of nature,so his miracles are miracles of timing.Perhaps the Christian firing squad simultaneously deliberately missed the target.Indeed a great miracle
 
Old 07-11-2011, 06:36 AM   #5
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God does not work outside of nature,so his miracles are miracles of timing.Perhaps the Christian firing squad simultaneously deliberately missed the target.Indeed a great miracle
I don't think that God works inside or outside nature, he is transcendant and above nature, he is not within or a part of it. Nature works according to the laws that God has imposed on it, Nature does not impose itself on the actions of God.

You are right though, whatever happened could certainly be explained naturally if it were possible to go back and investigate it in that way. But whatever the 'natural causes' that were operant, it is still no less than a miracle. God executes his will by commanding his creation, not through circumventing it or by magic, so you are reasonable in wondering how. Nobody knows, though, and it was still as true a miracle as any miracle ever was.
 
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For example,consider the "parting" of the red sea.I dont believe that the red sea stood up on either side like 2 walls.I believe it's more likely to have become shallow.This is a miracle of time as God made it happen exactly when the Israelites needed a miracle
 
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The Armenians were used to do the dirty work of the military and this was true in the Ottoman Empire as well.
Except, of couirse, that this took place in Persia, not in the Ottoman Empire!

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For example,consider the "parting" of the red sea.I dont believe that the red sea stood up on either side like 2 walls.I believe it's more likely to have become shallow.This is a miracle of time as God made it happen exactly when the Israelites needed a miracle
It's believed by modern scholars the Red Sea of this account was the Sea of Reeds, which, if true makes it a different miracle altogether. I don't think the facts of miracles matter very much, since their spiritual significance is more important. It doesn't matter much to me if it was only a puddle, or if a tornado caused it.
 
Old 07-12-2011, 02:00 AM   #9
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God does not work outside of nature,so his miracles are miracles of timing.Perhaps the Christian firing squad simultaneously deliberately missed the target.Indeed a great miracle
I would not take anything away from the story....As you said "Indeed a great miracle"

But how many people today see it as that...The greatest story of all times in my opinion

750 shots & 500 of them in restricted vision only cut the ropes, not one shot hit the Bab or His Companion.

God does what He Does and it is not up to us to second guess this

Cheers Tony
 
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