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Old 08-11-2011, 03:26 PM   #1
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Meher Baba?

Does anyone know of this man? I just heard of it, he claimed to be an avatar in India, he attracted many Western followers as well. He was very charitable--he was fond of living in silence and fasting. I feel like I should read his book God Speaks, but it's expensive..

I just found out about this, so I really don't know much about it at all, does anyone else?

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Old 08-11-2011, 04:43 PM   #2
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Check you library. You might also look for Autobiography of a Yogi by Yogananda. I was an initiate of Swami Stachidananda before I became a Baha'i. There are many Indian Holy Men. My Yoga teacher had met the Dalai Lama about 1973. You kind of have to decide what is relevent to you. You might consider reading or reading about The Bahagavad Gita which concerns Krishna which Baha'is believe was of the same station as Baha'u'llah. The Hindu Faith is very old so it has undergone many, many manmade changes. Tibetan Buddhism is the old religion that has been combined with Buddhism.
 
Old 08-11-2011, 07:06 PM   #3
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Old 08-12-2011, 01:00 AM   #4
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Meher Baba

I have followed Meher Baba for 40 years. Over that time it's become clearer and clearer to me that He Is that same Ancient One come again. (Zoroaster, Abraham, Rama, Krishna, Buddha, Mohammed and Jesus) This clarity has come about through three things: The obvious 'completeness' of His cosmology (there are no significant unanswered questions regarding the Nature and function of God) Secondly the perfect life of Love and service that He personally led, and finally through direct experience of His Divine Love. (where He revealed just a smidgen of His Glory ... to a wretch like me!)
There are many books available on-line. Baba Himself said that the book of the heart was the most important one to read! (more or less) That means that any sincere approach you'd utilize in investigating Him ... should bear fruit.
PS - Meher Baba was silent (didn't speak) for 44 years. He communicated at first with an alphabet board and later with just hand gestures His disciples translated. The books were "written" in this way.
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Old 08-12-2011, 08:47 AM   #5
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Meher Baba (Pro May-her...means compassionate father)

Hi I dont follow Bahai but saw the question about Meher Baba and wanted to respond.
If you go to www.LordMeher.org you can read his life story.
Yes, he is Avatar Meher Baba. There is only one Avatar, he said, who comes back on earth every 700-1400 years according to a cycle of time.
He looks different each time and is born in different countries.
He was Abraham, Zoroaster, Rama, Krsna, Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, and now, Meher Baba. It is an auspicious time on earth, as he just came 1894-1969 to change with world (and Universe) with His fresh dispensation of Love.
Earth is the place where the heart is open enough to receive him, so he descends here, but of course, can be everywhere else at the same time, as he is God (in human form). miraculous, isnt it. those with too many brains and not enough heart would have more of a hard time as they tried to understand this instead of just giving him the love back that He has for his Universe. Reading his bio online will help you to know about him. There are devotional songs on Youtube if you type in Meher Baba. There is also TheAwakenerMagazine.org made from 1953-1986 containing stories and photos. I hope this helps you. i see some one else answered you also. sorry for repeat.
Loving best, J
 
Old 08-12-2011, 10:50 AM   #6
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From a Bahai perspective I don't accept Meher Baba as an Avatar or manifestation.

He may have been a great teacher but his teachings contradict much of Baha'u'llah's teaching regarding things like re-incarnation and union with a Advaita like God "force" as opposed to the unknowable incomprehensible personal deity of the Tablets.

But look into him and see if he speaks to you. And Autobiography of a Yogi is a great book.
 
Old 08-12-2011, 02:33 PM   #7
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I believed that Swami Satchitananda was a Christ figure. However when I looked more into the Baha'i Faith, read the Writings, I realized that I had set my sights much too low. Baha'u'llah was actually beyond my ability to fully comprehend. I believe that He reveals the WORD of God that the Words He revealed are embodiments of the Holy Spirit. Can one doubt that the very few Words that we have that were revealed by Christ were simply text or oral speaking? The spirit that is released by these Words by the major Prophets of God advances man spiritually. This is not to say that others do not perceive and elucidate on this spirit, but I do not see them as a Source.
There are many who have great intellectual capacity with faith that are not of that station. Baha'is believe that it is the individual's responsibility to investigate what he/she come to understand as God's purpose for mankind.

As Baha'i see it Christ utterly changed man. He actually did conquer Rome though not in the expectations of the Jewish people who rejected Him. He should have made the world kosher and thrown down Rome. Christ gave new meaning for the value of life and deah. This we expect of the Baha'i Faith that a new spirit will be infused in the world. It will not happen overnight.
 
Old 08-12-2011, 10:37 PM   #8
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God Speaks

You can download a free electronic copy of God Speaks from:

Books by Meher Baba

It was the first book of his that I ever read and it came into my possession quite accidentally. I had it in my library for maybe twelve years and would periodically browse through it. Each time I did however I found it incomprehensible and yet I kept being drawn to it. Finally "the penny dropped" as they say and I had my "ah ha" moment. After that I was irresistibly drawn to Meher Baba like a fish on the hook. If you download it, all I can say is stick with it because it is an extraordinarily lucid book (once the scales fall from your eyes).
 
Old 08-13-2011, 07:53 AM   #9
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Briefly, in the Baha'i view the ONLY Divine Messengers since 500 BCE have been:
  • Buddha
  • Jesus
  • Muhammad
  • the Bab
  • Baha'u'llah

with the next not expected for at least another 1,000 years, now down to about 850 years.

Peace, :-)

Bruce
 
Old 08-13-2011, 02:14 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by BruceDLimber View Post
Briefly, in the Baha'i view the ONLY Divine Messengers since 500 BCE have been:
  • Buddha
  • Jesus
  • Muhammad
  • the Bab
  • Baha'u'llah

with the next not expected for at least another 1,000 years, now down to about 850 years.

Peace, :-)

Bruce
Bruce,

Those whom you listed are certainly divine, but how can you be so sure there were no others, my friend? Have you read in the writings any statement that those were the only ones? I have never have, so please share how you know this.
 
Old 08-14-2011, 01:12 PM   #11
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Meher Baba vs. Baha'u'llah

Meher Baba taught many of the same things the Baha'is do. And, he claimed that "miracles" should not be used as "proof" (since he couldn't do any). I read "God Speaks" but I did not like the fact of his interest in children, specifically boys, bathing young boys, etc. He once said "Get my a boy, a most beautiful boy" etc.

Also, several of his prophecies failed. He pointed to 1960 as a significant year, but nothing happened. Also, he prophesied of his death several times which also did not occur when he said it would.

He claimed that he had achieved "Christhood" by "dying in God". That anyone could achieve this station via various spiritual practices.

Baha'u'llah said that whosoever claimeth a "Revelation" after a full 1000 years after He did is a lying imposter.
 
Old 08-14-2011, 05:18 PM   #12
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Eh...I've taken that verse with some grains of salt, as he says "who claims a direct revelation from God"

We've established that there can be other people who can tap into some form of what we see as the "Holy Spirit" but still not be of a direct revelation.

-With regards to how this influences the teachings of Meher Baba, I cannot elaborate, as I have still not read his work, though several have privately contacted me through the PMs with links. Good input though, you've read it and know more than me I assure you.
 
Old 08-15-2011, 10:06 AM   #13
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Meher Baba claimed to be an "avatar" in the same way of Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, Jesus, and Muhammad. He claimed that he reached the station of "Christhood".

I think Baha'i doctrine is abit different, that nobody can reach a station of Christhood in life, but that a Name/Attribute of God can incarnate into flesh. Not the Essence, but a Name/Attribute.

There is also, of course, the concept of the WORD of God, which is not a Name/Attribute but the "command" of God that also can incarnate. Perhaps this is what Meher Baba meant. It is all not very clear.

I read "God Speaks" and althought Baba had many great Ghandi-like teachings, still, several of his prophecies failed, and his interest in bathing young boys to me is a little suspecious.


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Eh...I've taken that verse with some grains of salt, as he says "who claims a direct revelation from God"

We've established that there can be other people who can tap into some form of what we see as the "Holy Spirit" but still not be of a direct revelation.

-With regards to how this influences the teachings of Meher Baba, I cannot elaborate, as I have still not read his work, though several have privately contacted me through the PMs with links. Good input though, you've read it and know more than me I assure you.
 
Old 08-17-2011, 06:55 PM   #14
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Regarding Avatar Meher Baba

Look into Meher Baba and you will not be disappointed! websites abound, but here are a couple:

Meher Baba Information

and

Avatar Meher Baba Trust

Enjoy!
 
Old 08-19-2011, 12:19 PM   #15
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Those whom you listed are certainly divine, but how can you be so sure there were no others, my friend?
I don't have the quote handy for this, but I have indeed read that these are the ONLY Divine Messengers since Buddha!

Granted, there have been many more earlier than that, most of Whom are totally unknown to us.

Peace, :-)

Bruce
 
Old 08-19-2011, 01:32 PM   #16
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I don't have the quote handy for this, but I have indeed read that these are the ONLY Divine Messengers since Buddha!

Granted, there have been many more earlier than that, most of Whom are totally unknown to us.

Peace, :-)

Bruce
I'm thinkin' it's from the Kitab-i-Hearsay, though, until a I see a reference!
 
Old 08-23-2011, 03:00 AM   #17
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Give up all forms of parrotry. Start practicing whatever you
truly feel to be true and justly to be just. Do not make a show of your
faith and beliefs. You have not to give up your religion, but to give up
clinging to the husk of mere ritual and ceremony. To get to the fundamental
core of Truth underlying all religions, reach beyond religion.
– Meher Baba
 
Old 04-02-2017, 01:44 PM   #18
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Meher Baba

AEMoss, I must interject. Meher Baba could perform "miracles", yet he chose not to. He could have easily stationed Himself on the fourth plane any time he wished. He preferred to let His followers' faith produce the so called "miracles". He stated that in His advent, he would not perform miracles, but that His greatest miracle would be the breaking His Silence in the hearts of His lovers.
 
Old 04-02-2017, 05:02 PM   #19
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Meher Baba indeed makes a deep impression.

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Old 04-02-2017, 06:53 PM   #20
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Wombatwolf wrote (post #12):

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Eh...I've taken that verse with some grains of salt, as he says "who claims a direct revelation from God"

We've established that there can be other people who can tap into some form of what we see as the "Holy Spirit" but still not be of a direct revelation.

-With regards to how this influences the teachings of Meher Baba, I cannot elaborate, as I have still not read his work, though several have privately contacted me through the PMs with links. Good input though, you've read it and know more than me I assure you.
Similar to Wombatwolf’s comment, ‘Abdu'l-Bahá appears to confirm that pure hearted people can be spiritually illumined by the Holy Spirit. As indicted by Wombatwolf, this is different than experiencing “a direct revelation from God”.

‘Abdu'l-Bahá wrote of the results of turning to the Holy Spirit: “Know thou, that letter sent to thee by me, was only because of my perfect love for thee and my pity upon thee, for I had the desire that the fragrance of the Holy Spirit, which hath perfumed all regions and imbued the entire body of the world with the Spirit of Life, should pass over thee and abide with thee. Notwithstanding the high position it occupieth, still, with an eloquent tongue, through which the Spirit moveth, hearts are attracted and bosoms burn, it speaketh to the pure hearts and to the good and righteous souls in every spot of the earth. This is the powerful Spirit, the dazzling light, the brilliant star and the overwhelming and universal abundance. And, from its traces, spread and divulged everywhere, thou wilt know and realize its influence and comprehend its radiance. I ask God to expose thee to its fragrance, move thee by its breeze, enkindle thee by its coals of fire and illuminate thee by its brightness. Turn thyself wholly to it--thus thou shalt be enabled to ascertain its influence and power, the strength of its life and the greatness of its confirmation. Verily, I say unto thee, that if for the appearance of that Divine Essence thou desirest to have a definite proof, an indisputable testimony and a strong, convincing evidence, thou must prepare thyself to make thy heart empty and thine eye ready to look only toward the Kingdom of God. Then, at that time, the radiance of that widespread effulgence will descend upon thee successively, and that motion rendered thee by the Holy Spirit will make thee dispense with any other strong evidence that leadeth to the appearance of this Light, because the greatest and strongest proof for showing the abundance of the Spirit to the bodies is the very appearance of its power and influence in those bodies.” (Bahá'í World Faith, pp. 368 – 369)

‘Abdu'l-Bahá also spoke of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit: “I now assure thee, O servant of God, that, if thy mind become empty and pure from every mention and thought and thy heart attracted wholly to the Kingdom of God, forget all else besides God and come in communion with the Spirit of God, then the Holy Spirit will assist thee with a power which will enable thee to penetrate all things, and a Dazzling Spark which enlightens all sides, a Brilliant Flame in the zenith of the heavens, will teach thee that which thou dost not know of the facts of the universe and of the divine doctrine. Verily, I say unto thee, every soul which ariseth today to guide others to the path of safety and infuse in them the Spirit of Life, the Holy Spirit will inspire that soul with evidences, proofs and facts and the lights will shine upon it from the Kingdom of God. Do not forget what I have conveyed unto thee from the breath of the Spirit. Verily, it is the shining morning and the rosy dawn which will impart unto thee the lights, reveal the mysteries and make thee competent in science, and through it the pictures of the Supreme World will be printed in thy heart and the facts of the secrets of the Kingdom of God will shine before thee.” (Bahá'í World Faith, p. 369)

To those individuals like Meher Baba, or Swami Satchitananda, or Paramahansa Yogananda, having had those unique spirituak experiences, they are not doubt very real. Who are we to attempt to discredit or invalidate those experiences? From my perspective, I can accept the validity and reality of the experiences, yet at the same realize that those individual's interpretations of their own experiences may be limited to their traditional belief system backgrounds and other factors.

Another example of a unique individual spiritual experience that I came across some 25 years ago is that of the very accomplished American philosopher, Walter Russell. Compare Mr. Russell's description of his experience with those words of ‘Abdu'l-Bahá. Mr. Russell said: "I will put it very simply. In May of 1921 God took me up into a high mountain of inspiration and intense ecstasy. A brilliant flash like lightning severed my bodily sensation from my consciousness and I found myself freed from my body and wholly in the Mind universe of Light, which is God.

"And then God said to me, ‘Behold thou the unity of all things in Light of Me, and the seeming separateness of all things in the two lights of my divided thinking. See thou that I, the Undivided, Unchanging One, am within all divided things, centering them, and I am without all changing things, controlling them.’

"And the secrets of the universe were unfolded to me in their great simplicity as the doors to the Light opened fully to my consciousness. In less time than it takes to put it into words, I knew all there was to know of the CAUSE of
all effect, for there was very little to know. . . . .” (The Man Who Tapped the Secrets of the Universe, by Glenn Clark, p. 22)

Thank you for the opportunity to comment on a very interesting topic.
-LR
 
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In my post above (#20), I stated:
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From my perspective, I can accept the validity and reality of the experiences, yet at the same realize that those individual's interpretations of their own experiences may be limited to their traditional belief system backgrounds and other factors.
To further explain what I meant by that portion of my comment, I invite readers to give attention to Bahá’u’lláh’s words when weighing the validity the experiences of those “sages and mystics”: "O Salmán! All that the sages and mystics have said or written have never exceeded, nor can they ever hope to exceed, the limitations to which man’s finite mind hath been strictly subjected. To whatever heights the mind of the most exalted of men may soar, however great the depths which the detached and understanding heart can penetrate, such mind and heart can never transcend that which is the creature of their own conceptions and the product of their own thoughts. The meditations of the profoundest thinker, the devotions of the holiest of saints, the highest expressions of praise from either human pen or tongue, are but a reflection of that which hath been created within themselves, through the revelation of the Lord, their God. Whoever pondereth this truth in his heart will readily admit that there are certain limits which no human being can possibly transgress. Every attempt which, from the beginning that hath no beginning, hath been made to visualize and know God is limited by the exigencies of His own creation—a creation which He, through the operation of His own Will and for the purposes of none other but His own Self, hath called into being. Immeasurably exalted is He above the strivings of human mind to grasp His Essence, or of human tongue to describe His mystery. No tie of direct intercourse can ever bind Him to the things He hath created, nor can the most abstruse and most remote allusions of His creatures do justice to His being. Through His world-pervading Will He hath brought into being all created things. He is and hath ever been veiled in the ancient eternity of His own exalted and indivisible Essence, and will everlastingly continue to remain concealed in His inaccessible majesty and glory. All that is in heaven and all that is in the earth have come to exist at His bidding, and by His Will all have stepped out of utter nothingness into the realm of being. How can, therefore, the creature which the Word of God hath fashioned comprehend the nature of Him Who is the Ancient of Days?" (Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, CXLVIII)

-LR
 
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The founder of Sikhism, Guru Nanak, also was an immensely impressive person.

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Old 07-06-2017, 09:51 PM   #23
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In 1954, Meher Baba made a prophecy that when he broke his silence, or shortly thereafter, 3/4's of humanity will be destroyed, and the rest live in peace. He made previous prophetic statements of this nature, saying that when the world was being torn apart by war, he would intervene, and make peace, and that he would be known all over the world, in every village even.

He was an impeccably pure man, but seemed to exaggerate his importance and his impact upon the world.
 
Old 07-06-2017, 09:59 PM   #24
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" Meher Baba.... he is God in human form" really? That is not truth
Numbers 23:19 "God is not human"
" (Since God) is neither male nor female;
how can anyone describe Him?" (Siri Guru Granth Sahib ji 685)
" (Akaal) is neither a Yaksha, nor a Gandharva, nor a man nor a woman" (Dasam Granth, Akaal Ustat, 67)
"God is without colour or form, and without any distinctive norm "(Guru Gobind Singh Jee, Jaap Sahib).

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