bahai and ahmadiyya

ayed gufran · 11-26-2011, 04:29 AM

allha ho abha i have heard in a ahmadiyya that where did bahai faith stand here is the link where the descusion start i past the link so u can join there forum and show them where bahai faith stands..
Where does Baha'i Faith stand? - Rah-e-Huda

cire perdue · 11-26-2011, 05:19 AM

I don't feel the need to go to their site and argue with them. That is what it would be. They don't have interest in anything except wanting to refute our Faith. That is their right. Their knowledge is superficial about the Baha'i Faith. It is my belief that they don't really want answers, they just want to tell others who is right and who is wrong. Saying another relgion is wrong does not prove my religion, in fact in Baha'i eyes that means that person is not practicing religion, but defaming someone else's Faith. Islam is from God, and Mohammad is God's Prophet.

There are answers for any of their claims, that is not a problem, but they don't want those answers.

ayed gufran · 11-26-2011, 07:27 AM

yes i know that islam is true religon from god but the ahmadiyya movment is not true its leader claim of jesus and also mahdi i know very much about them because i live in there city we are 4 familys here they are very badily against us i read them lot most of there leader got knowledge from bahai books and write in there books.
well the people on that forum i thought about them because they didn't know what is true so thats why i asked we have to introduce our faith there.

cire perdue · 11-26-2011, 08:54 AM

You are welcome to talk about your Faith here. I sure we can learn alot about Islam, because most of us were Christians when we became Baha'is. As Baha'is we now believe in Muhammad and Islam. The difference is that the time of Islam is past. It does not hold the answer for the world today. It is unable to unify the world. It is a true Faith from God. We believe Muhammad was the Seal of the Prophets and there are no more Prophets for they all foresaw the Promised One who we believe is Baha'u'llah.

ayed gufran · 11-26-2011, 09:27 PM

well we are as bahai also believe that muhammad is last prophet but not last apostle because every prophet mousa,jesus,muhammad is apostle and prophets as a prophet they told the people about a new world a new era in which god meets with people.so muhammad was the last prophet who told about that day and after muhammad that day has come and new era start. Bahaullha is the person that every apostle told their people and day of is come with bab and bahaullah.

ayed gufran · 11-26-2011, 09:43 PM

Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Apostle of God, and the seal of the prophets: and God knoweth all things.
(Surih XXXIII, "The Confederates", v. 40) [33:40]

According to the Qur'an, and as reaffirmed in the Writings of Baha'u'llah, Muhammad was both a Prophet and an Apostle of God, and designated as the "Seal of the Prophets". It is the interpretation of this last title which often constitutes a barrier to an appreciation or acceptance of the Baha'i Faith on the part of Muslims, for it is understood as denying the possibility of the appearance of any further Manifestation of God after Muhammad Himself. By considering the distinction that must be made between "Prophet" and "Apostle" of God, a different interpretation of the title "Seal of the Prophets" becomes apparent. The origin of the word "prophet" in Arabic is "nab)" which means "foreteller" and corresponds to the Hebrew word for "foreseer". In the Old and New Testaments, the manner of foreseeing the future is in the form of visions and dreams. Joseph had a vision, Daniel prophesied and St. John had revelations. Mirza Abu'l-Fadl explains this theme very clearly in The Baha'i Proofs.1 The term "Prophet" thus became the name given to One Who is inspired by God and consequently became applicable to all the Manifestations of God.

11-26-2011, 04:29 AM	#1
ayed gufran Junior Member Joined: Nov 2011 From: pakistan Posts: 17	bahai and ahmadiyya allha ho abha i have heard in a ahmadiyya that where did bahai faith stand here is the link where the descusion start i past the link so u can join there forum and show them where bahai faith stands.. Where does Baha'i Faith stand? - Rah-e-Huda

11-26-2011, 05:19 AM	#2
cire perdue Senior Member Joined: Sep 2010 From: Louisiana Posts: 1,615	Maybe someone else feels the need I don't feel the need to go to their site and argue with them. That is what it would be. They don't have interest in anything except wanting to refute our Faith. That is their right. Their knowledge is superficial about the Baha'i Faith. It is my belief that they don't really want answers, they just want to tell others who is right and who is wrong. Saying another relgion is wrong does not prove my religion, in fact in Baha'i eyes that means that person is not practicing religion, but defaming someone else's Faith. Islam is from God, and Mohammad is God's Prophet. There are answers for any of their claims, that is not a problem, but they don't want those answers.

11-26-2011, 08:54 AM	#4
cire perdue Senior Member Joined: Sep 2010 From: Louisiana Posts: 1,615	Thank you. You are welcome to talk about your Faith here. I sure we can learn alot about Islam, because most of us were Christians when we became Baha'is. As Baha'is we now believe in Muhammad and Islam. The difference is that the time of Islam is past. It does not hold the answer for the world today. It is unable to unify the world. It is a true Faith from God. We believe Muhammad was the Seal of the Prophets and there are no more Prophets for they all foresaw the Promised One who we believe is Baha'u'llah.

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11-26-2011, 07:27 AM	#3
ayed gufran Junior Member Joined: Nov 2011 From: pakistan Posts: 17	yes i know that islam is true religon from god but the ahmadiyya movment is not true its leader claim of jesus and also mahdi i know very much about them because i live in there city we are 4 familys here they are very badily against us i read them lot most of there leader got knowledge from bahai books and write in there books. well the people on that forum i thought about them because they didn't know what is true so thats why i asked we have to introduce our faith there.

11-26-2011, 09:27 PM	#5
ayed gufran Junior Member Joined: Nov 2011 From: pakistan Posts: 17	well we are as bahai also believe that muhammad is last prophet but not last apostle because every prophet mousa,jesus,muhammad is apostle and prophets as a prophet they told the people about a new world a new era in which god meets with people.so muhammad was the last prophet who told about that day and after muhammad that day has come and new era start. Bahaullha is the person that every apostle told their people and day of is come with bab and bahaullah.

11-26-2011, 09:43 PM	#6
ayed gufran Junior Member Joined: Nov 2011 From: pakistan Posts: 17	Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Apostle of God, and the seal of the prophets: and God knoweth all things. (Surih XXXIII, "The Confederates", v. 40) [33:40] According to the Qur'an, and as reaffirmed in the Writings of Baha'u'llah, Muhammad was both a Prophet and an Apostle of God, and designated as the "Seal of the Prophets". It is the interpretation of this last title which often constitutes a barrier to an appreciation or acceptance of the Baha'i Faith on the part of Muslims, for it is understood as denying the possibility of the appearance of any further Manifestation of God after Muhammad Himself. By considering the distinction that must be made between "Prophet" and "Apostle" of God, a different interpretation of the title "Seal of the Prophets" becomes apparent. The origin of the word "prophet" in Arabic is "nab)" which means "foreteller" and corresponds to the Hebrew word for "foreseer". In the Old and New Testaments, the manner of foreseeing the future is in the form of visions and dreams. Joseph had a vision, Daniel prophesied and St. John had revelations. Mirza Abu'l-Fadl explains this theme very clearly in The Baha'i Proofs.1 The term "Prophet" thus became the name given to One Who is inspired by God and consequently became applicable to all the Manifestations of God.