Lunitik

Baha'u'llah says religion is progressively revealed, and that another will come after him in 1000 years - thus he does not teach the whole truth, he caters to the general masses, preaching the lowest common denominator at this time... fine, still it is closer than humanity has gotten before.

It means there is much more than what he offers, that he is to move society forward, but for individuals so inclined there much be considerably more which can be discerned. Always, the society is basically retarded, but there are the odd individuals who are geniuses. Even if you are not a genius though, why remain with the crowd seeing its retardation? You will not be alive in 1000 years, why not see what else is possible? After all, Baha'u'llah himself says he is not final, he himself says there is even more depth to be revealed, he simply says this is where we should be up to as a society within the next 1000 years, but what of the individual? He says the individual who goes ahead of the group should be silent about it, but he does not condemn that advancement.

Yet, you hold tight to the limits he places, you are invited to personally inquire about truth, but you understand it through the limits of Baha'u'llah. Experience should be the criteria, go into what others offer that seem to know something of the inner dimensions and experiment, be scientific about your inquiry, but be utterly open to the possibilities. The culmination of religion has already been discovered if you are brave enough to jump into it... otherwise you remain a crowdard.

Jesus said 2000 years ago that the Kingdom of God was at hand, that you are to accept the Holy Spirit into your being, that you are drop your own will and accept the Will of God. What do you think all this means? Muhammad goes on insisting upon utter oneness, yet now Baha'u'llah has created differentiation.... this is forward momentum? For me, the Kabballah and Hasidic lines of Judaism have become more advanced than either... something is wrong. The problem is, people are too much identified with these things, they do not wish to go outside their own little boxes, their own prison cells. It is not even a prison cell though, it is merely a water fall, you can simply step out and see you were always free.

Lunitik

Please consider my words with an open heart, they are said in love.

I do not think I will be returning though, there is too much focus on irrelevancy here, too much engaging in the wasting of time in triviality. You dissect what does not matter, and miss utterly what has always been the case... wake up.

Buddha simply means "the awakened one", if you over sleep, you remain tired... stop and begin the true day this moment!

cire perdue

Sometimes we all miss the point, don't we? Sorry you missed the Most Great Point. Maybe you will come back.

LordOfGoblins

Bahai teaches that the greatest prison is that of self. That is the prison to be overcome and there is no other way to do that other than follow Baha'u'llah..
Then true freedom is achieved

tonyfish58

Baha'u'llah taught the whole truth and presented it to mankind.

Mankind was and is still found wanting, thus the full measure of truth remains unveiled.

It matters not of what was not revealed, mankind has to accept and rise to what was revealed before it can move on.

It is only through Baha'u'llah in this day that you will find the full measure of truth, as with this path there are no limits. if you go elsewhere, you will only find illusions to the truth.

I like to refer to Abdul'baha, given by Baha'u'llah as the perfect example. IMHO, Abdul'baha was on the highest level of spirituality that the a human can reach (as was His Sister Bahiyyih Khanum). How did they live their lives? In complete servitude and humility. We can all learn a lot from their sacrifices.

Regards Tony

arthra

Posted in the opening post:

"Even if you are not a genius though, why remain with the crowd seeing its retardation?"

Setting one's self up as so superior is a problem..as is regarding one's fellows as "retarded". Oneness of humanity is called for in this day:

We must look upon our enemies with a sin-covering eye and act with justice when confronted with any injustice whatsoever, forgive all, consider the whole of humanity as our own family, the whole earth as our own country, be sympathetic with all suffering, nurse the sick, offer a shelter to the exiled, help the poor and those in need, dress all wounds and share the happiness of each one. Be compassionate, so that your actions will shine like unto the light streaming forth from the lamp. If the whole world should arise to deny this cause, we must not fight. Our only role is to spread the teachings. If it be accepted, all is well; if not, leave the people to God.

If we see a man acting after this manner we can say of him: "Verily, he is a reflector of servitude!"

~ Abdu'l-Baha, Divine Philosophy, p. 41


Progressive Revelation as been defined by Abdul-Baha:

Religion is the outer expression of the divine reality. Therefore it must be living, vitalized, moving and progressive.

If it be without motion and non-progressive it is without the divine life; it is dead.

The divine institutes are continuously active and evolutionary; therefore the revelation of them must be progressive and continuous. All things are subject to re-formation.

This is a century of life and renewal. Sciences and arts, industry and invention have been reformed. Law and ethics have been reconstituted, reorganized. The world of thought has been regenerated. Sciences of former ages and philosophies of the past are useless today.

Present exigencies demand new methods of solution; world problems are without precedent. Old ideas and modes of thought are fast becoming obsolete. Ancient laws and archaic ethical systems will not meet the requirements of modern conditions, for this is clearly the century of a new life, the century of the revelation of the reality and therefore the greatest of all centuries.

~ Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith, p. 224

cire perdue

I found myself rather speechless to the points you covered!
How IS your cousin Mothra?

Sboyce

By Lunitik.
May the light of the Bodisattva lead you to bliss.
You're way is no different than ours,
But know if there was no way into God, I would never have laid in this grave of a body for so long

Mdef

Tell you the truth bro, you don't make any sense. And why use the word "retarded"?

"The problem is, people are too much identified with these things, they do not wish to go outside their own little boxes, their own prison cells. It is not even a prison cell though, it is merely a water fall, you can simply step out and see you were always free"

What are you talking about here bro? Sr-sly?

We are always free to do what we want right? But I choose to follow Bahaullah. Why? Becuase it is the truth.

"Set your reliance on the army of justice, put on the armour of wisdom, let your adorning be forgiveness and mercy and that which cheereth the hearts of the well-favoured of God"

"Great God! Although His signs have encompassed the world and His proofs and testimonies are shining forth and manifest as the light, yet the ignorant appear heedless, nay rather, rebellious. Would that they had been content with opposition. But at all times they are plotting to cut down the sacred Lote-Tree. Since the dawn of this Revelation the embodiments of selfishness have, by resorting to cruelty and oppression, striven to extinguish the Light of divine manifestation. But God, having stayed their hands, revealed this Light through His sovereign authority and protected it through the power of His might until earth and heaven were illumined by its radiance and brightness. Praise be unto Him under all conditions"

-Bahaullah