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Old 09-10-2012, 06:40 AM   #41
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What about the other 85% of muslims who don't recognize ‘Alī?

Your website is so full of gramatical errors I simply cannot bring myself to take it seriously. Not only that, but you make such bold claims and fail to provide even the slightest source or citation. For all I know it could be a very well written lie.

Almost entirely devoid of fact and relevance, written by devout (Shi'a) muslims, for devout (Shi'a) muslims.
Dear Zhang, the discussion here is about the Bahai Faith and not about Imam Ali. When we want to discuss about Ali, we will start a new thread.

Please feel free to criticize my site and help me to correct the errors. Though frankly, I don't think that the web site is full of grammatical errors that one will dismiss it. Your statement reeks of desperation to disparage the site, but that's ok. I have seen worse. Having said that, if you read the page on why this web site, it says that "it is for making Muslims and Bahais aware of lesser known facts about the Bahai Faith." At no place does it say that it is a lesson in English grammar!

I think you must be sleeping when you say that there is no proof or citation on the site. Please write to me at imranshaykh@gmail.com and send me which parts of the web site are without any citations. I will be either happy to correct them or take them off. This is my open challenge to you. Please let me know what is the quid pro quo from your side if the citations are established to be correct.
 
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Old 09-10-2012, 01:43 PM   #42
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Dear Zhang, the discussion here is about the Bahai Faith and not about Imam Ali. When we want to discuss about Ali, we will start a new thread.
Not true, it is very relevant. It is a very important factor in determining the background by which you make your claims. But, per your request, I will not bring this issue up again.

Entire articles are full of grammatical errors. It is not a disparaged attempt to discredit the site, such a practice is not scholarly and leads me to believe that you wrote such things down in an emotional rush, as opposed to a thought out, objective look at various points of the faith. Your article on Abdul Husain Aayati is one of many.

You quote many of the verses of the Aqdas in an attempt to show how "barbaric" the faith is. And yet, we are equally capable of quote mining in an effort to show evil. However we understand that there are reasons for these verses that not all men understand.

Surat An-Nisā' 4:89

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They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.
I know of the many apologetic views of this, just as we have an equal number for our faith. The only difference is that we respect the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W), just as we do all religions. When in context, we see a very different story painted, one that encourages Muslims to resist persecution but to be warned that ALLAH will judge them for their actions even in times of war.

We teach love and tolerance, your website attempts to create disunity among us. Words from the Prophet (S.A.W.)

Surat Al-Kāfirūn 109:1-6

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Say, "O disbelievers,
I do not worship what you worship.
Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
Please echo His voice.

-张

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Old 09-10-2012, 03:01 PM   #43
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I love this. Of all the posts here, this one takes the cake. No, I do not get paid by the Iranian government to spread false information about the Bahai Faith!

I dont think the information I provide is false. I also believe that I have read more Bahai books than most Bahais and in their original language and that is why I believe that the Bahais are being taken for a ride by their own community members. Because if the original books would be made available, then most Bahais would lose faith.

If any Bahai wishes to contest any reference on my site, he is most welcome to do so. There is an open challenge on BahaiAwareness.com that if any reference is incorrect, it will be taken off and I have lived by that credo. I have taken off references which I could not find in Bahai books. But for all the rest I expect Bahais to reciprocate and ask the right questions.

For example, it is clearly written in the books of the Bab that he curses those who consider him to be the Mahdi. or that while he was in Mecca, he thought that someone else was the Mahdi...

So hope that is out of the way. No irani. No government. Just a simple servant of Allah and His prophet.
Well, I have read some parts of your site a few years back. Everything that I saw was only false and misleading info. I would not mind if you could really show some true info.
It takes too much time to reply to your too many false info you put there, but anyone who is a seeker of truth, can realize they are false info.
And the reason I said I have a feeling you get paid is that, you must have spent a lot of time on that, and every where else.
I have read the Baha'i Scriptures in original language, and they are perfect.

What you do is only fallacy!!!
 
Old 09-10-2012, 09:29 PM   #44
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imranshaykh -

I like to make my own decisions re Faith but thanks for the advice and yes I will Turn towards the Prophet and His Word to make my choices.

This is what history has taught us. It is the learned of the age that are the first to reject the prophet. So it is on no surprise they have rejected Baha'u'llah

The Baha'i Faith is far from being shallow in thought and concepts. The words of Baha'u'llah are the highest form of wisdom that is available to mankind at this time and it is to them we must turn.

So we will have to agree that I will go my way and you will go your way. I wish you well in life & Faith.

Regards Tony
 
Old 09-13-2012, 03:19 PM   #45
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This is an important issue but I didn't see any thread specifically regarding it here...

Do you accept the claim that there are about 5 to 7 million Baha'i in the world? So many websites put the number at less specific figures, such as 1 million or in many cases one a hundred thousand or so...

Who do we believe? Is the Baha'i faith exaggerated in terms of numbers? Does this speak to the success or failure of the faith in any way?
Its just marketing. My bahai community = 70. most number of people at the feast = 10. most number of people at a fundraising where 400 were invited = under 20.
 
Old 09-13-2012, 03:23 PM   #46
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"A worldwide community of some five million Bahá'ís"

- from The Bahá , the international website of the Baha'is of the world
Iphone is the best smart phone in the world.
Source: apple.com

lol
 
Old 09-13-2012, 03:26 PM   #47
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The most secure method would probably be to get an estimate from the treasurer's office of how many individual donations there are per year. That would give you a number to start with, and then you could extrapolate from there.
A great idea that will never happen. The numbers from treasurer's office would contradict the numbers from bahai.com badly.
 
Old 09-14-2012, 04:50 PM   #48
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Well, I have read some parts of your site a few years back. Everything that I saw was only false and misleading info. I would not mind if you could really show some true info.
It takes too much time to reply to your too many false info you put there, but anyone who is a seeker of truth, can realize they are false info.
And the reason I said I have a feeling you get paid is that, you must have spent a lot of time on that, and every where else.
I have read the Baha'i Scriptures in original language, and they are perfect.

What you do is only fallacy!!!
Dear Investigate Truth, you keep on making this statement that everything on my site is false. I respect your opinion. Please let me know which references are false and I will take them off. I don't believe you have even heard of half of the books which I have quoted on the site.

In any case, there is an open challenge to all, that wrong references will be taken off if proved incorrect.
 
Old 09-15-2012, 09:50 AM   #49
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Dear Investigate Truth, you keep on making this statement that everything on my site is false.
I respect your opinion. Please let me know which references are false and I will take them off.
Generally most of your arguments is fallacy.
Each one of the topics that you included in your site needs to be discussed in a separate thread.
You have the opportunity here, to make separate thread for each topic to discuss.
You put them on your site and claiming you would take them off if proved wrong. How could one prove them to you they are wrong, if we cannot discuss them openly?
giving your email, is not a proper way for an open discussion. How would anyone know, you simply do not ignore the comments, or the proofs?
To be honest with you, I personally even don't care about your site, or if you add or remove any information there. You take yourself too serious my friend.


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In any case, there is an open challenge to all, that wrong references will be taken off if proved incorrect.
Even your statement here is a fallacy.

What do you mean by 'open' challenge? Open challenge is only when, you have an open forum, and in each thread you discuss them openly. making a website and giving an email is not considered an open challenge.

You should only use the references in your site that are proved to be correct if you are of those who judge fairly. You are the one who needs to prove your sources are correct, and your interpretations are correct.

Anyhow, everyone is free to read Baha'i Scriptures and look at Baha'i View, as well as other sources including your site to decide for himself.

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Old 09-19-2012, 10:21 AM   #50
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Generally most of your arguments is fallacy.
Each one of the topics that you included in your site needs to be discussed in a separate thread.
You have the opportunity here, to make separate thread for each topic to discuss.
You put them on your site and claiming you would take them off if proved wrong. How could one prove them to you they are wrong, if we cannot discuss them openly?
giving your email, is not a proper way for an open discussion. How would anyone know, you simply do not ignore the comments, or the proofs?
To be honest with you, I personally even don't care about your site, or if you add or remove any information there. You take yourself too serious my friend.

Even your statement here is a fallacy.

What do you mean by 'open' challenge? Open challenge is only when, you have an open forum, and in each thread you discuss them openly. making a website and giving an email is not considered an open challenge.

You should only use the references in your site that are proved to be correct if you are of those who judge fairly. You are the one who needs to prove your sources are correct, and your interpretations are correct.

Anyhow, everyone is free to read Baha'i Scriptures and look at Baha'i View, as well as other sources including your site to decide for himself.
This has been an open forum, right? I gave you the reference of Ishraqaat, page 293 wherein Bahaullah says that Prophet Mohammed is the last of the prophet and the messengers. Tell me that reference is incorrect. Also, you have no authority to interpret the words of Bahaullah. So please let me know what AB and SE said about the verse.

For Bahais, my site is a goldmine of information because the UHJ hides these books from the Bahais. Less than 200 years and the words of the Bab are lost? Why does the UHJ not publish the words of the Bab. I'll tell you why - because the words of the Bab contradict the Bahai Faith and are embarrassing for the Bahais. That's why. So if you want to know what is actually written in the Bahai Faith in its original languages, you should refer to my site.

Regards,
 
Old 09-19-2012, 03:25 PM   #51
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This has been an open forum, right? I gave you the reference of Ishraqaat, page 293 wherein Bahaullah says that Prophet Mohammed is the last of the prophet and the messengers. Tell me that reference is incorrect. Also, you have no authority to interpret the words of Bahaullah. So please let me know what AB and SE said about the verse.

For Bahais, my site is a goldmine of information because the UHJ hides these books from the Bahais. Less than 200 years and the words of the Bab are lost? Why does the UHJ not publish the words of the Bab. I'll tell you why - because the words of the Bab contradict the Bahai Faith and are embarrassing for the Bahais. That's why. So if you want to know what is actually written in the Bahai Faith in its original languages, you should refer to my site.

Regards,
If you had read, the Quran properly, as well as the writings of Baha'u'llah, you had your answers. That tells me you did not read, nor understood.

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