LordOfGoblins

had a dream with Baha'u'llah in it?
I mean a genuine dream not a passing idle fancy dream that you wont remember.
I ask this because firstly I have heard many people talk about dreams of Abdul'Baha in them but havnt really heard of people having a dream about Baha'u'llah.
Secondly I ask because during the time of my great tests when I asked Baha'u'llah to visit me once in a dream for encouragement, well he never did and still hasnt...
just saying..

Magi728

LordOfGoblins

A Message from the OT.

About the Dream Attention.


Job 33:14-16

14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.

15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;

16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction




Magi.......

Zhang

Lovely quote!

Essence of GOD

i did once,
i saw him floating with in a giant stadium with 9 or 10 lights circling around him and flashing different Chinese symbols, the orbs of light were about 5 to 6 inches in diameter. i was in the middle of the stadium alone and he was floating 4 feet above me as i was on my knees looking at him.
the stadium was full of people, they were all looking at me. then bahaulla waved at them like hitler lol, and they all disappeared at once. then he looked at me and opened his mouth to say something at me, at that time i woke up.
same morning i got a job interview, but i didnt get hired, the company changed management, and the guy who interviewed me got replaced.

i also had dreams of bab and abdulbaha, and mullah hussain. the most vivid dreams.

Timothy248

2 years ago I had a dream where I was in a clearing in a forest having a picnic with Muhammad and Jesus, they offered me a succulent apple and I ate it. I was on camp at the time and in my dream I looked up and one of the leaders was staring at us through the bushes. The next morning at role call that leader was looking at me intently, perhaps we were in the same dream.

Pollwr

I wonder if the number of photos of Abdul-Bahá are a reason more people dream of him, or maybe it is the different connection people have with him and Bahá'u'llah.

This was not a dream but when I went to the holy land I viewed a picture of Bahá'u'llah with a number of other believers who I did not know. Later I discussed it with them - we all had an emotional reaction, bursting into tears which was totally unexpected. It turns out that I had a clear recollection of him being stood next to a wooden barrow or trailor (The sort a street trader may push or get a horse to pull, with large wheels). Everyone else was adamant that the trailor was not there in the picture. That always puzzles me as it was so clear to me. As far as I can tell is has no significance but I am left wondering why I saw it. We were all in the same room looking at the same picture at the same time.

notabsolute

LOG, I've never had a dream about Bahá'u'lláh - I'm certain it would be an amazing experience! However, I have had a dream about `Abdu'l-Bahá'....

Approximately 3 years ago I was unemployed in the small, rural city that I reside in. To fill my time I would be heavily involved in one-on-one Ruhi circles with another member of my community who served as facilitator. During this time, since work was hard to come by, I applied to pioneer in China. After much debate with the International Pioneer Department (unfortunately, to no avail), I decided to apply for pioneering to Australia, and finally, India - all of my applications were denied. I was very frustrated by this and spent more time in reflection, meditation and prayer.

During one evening I entered a very deep, REM sleep. Now just to clarify, I have had dreams in the past that have been so impressively lucid that upon awakening, I would question whether or not I was still in a state of dream. This particular dream I had of `Abdu'l-Bahá' was neither lucid, nor hazy, or difficult to recall as dreams normally are. On the contrary, it was a "dream" that was so extremely vivid, so unbelievably clear, that it is forever seared into my memory. As the dream begins, I am standing at the end of my asphalt driveway looking up, and peering into the top story window of my house where I witness `Abdu'l-Bahá', standing and looking down at me. Everything is clear, everything is beyond vivid, the color of the sky is a striking cerulean blue, the sun is brighter and more vibrant than the sun is in reality - `Abdu'l-Bahá's robes are a luminous orange. Suddenly I appear in my living room sitting on the couch that is situated against the wall. I'm sitting on the far right end of the couch, and `Abdu'l-Bahá' is sitting right next to me looking pensively into my eyes. No words are exchanged. No body language is implied. We are just gazing at each other, and then I wake up.

The dream is significant to me because `Abdu'l-Bahá' is IN my house...it is a great source of comfort to me.

and again, I can't stress enough the clarity of this dream, the difference in colors - how beyond REAL everything was - there are no adequate words to describe this. It brings to mind accounts of NDEs....

LordOfGoblins

wy cant you just get up and move somewhere?
Why do you have to apply to pioneer? I get the feeling im going to bypass the system and just do what I want. I will go where I want when I want the Bahai administration shouldnt be imposing that restriction on me.
"be unrestrained as the wind".
THey shouldnt be controling where people are allowed to move to live..

LordOfGoblins

THis is what im talking about. THe Bahai faith is being corrupted by people who worship processes rather than the spirit itself. It is the holy spirit that has power, not the processess that the Bahai administration puts into place to restrict and control our lives. THe desire to serve shouldnt be hampered. THe only exception should be the Bahai world centre where once you're there you have to comit yourself to a period of time..

Iconodule

Can't say that I have.

LordOfGoblins

what about Lord Jesus?

Itena

I cannot remember if I have ever had a dream of Baha'u'llah or Abdu'l Baha. I'm sure if I have, I have forgotten it.

But I did have a very interestingly spiritual dream one time. The world was a strange bluish grey, and in the dream, I was aware that I was to die soon. I was not afraid, just a little nervous, that same kind of nervousness one would have when approaching a new experience or trying out a new thing, perhaps like a child moving from primary to secondary school. I was walking along a sort of long cement block. In the end of the dream, there were this small group of bright bluish butterflies(which contrasted the grey environment) that hovered in front of me, and I knew that they were there to take me to the Abha Kingdom, so I followed them. That was when I woke up.
I do not know if the dream necessarily foretold anything. But when I think of it, I feel that it was very spiritual in nature. My grandmother thinks that it means that I will live a long life. I don't know if it does or not, but I think that it was at least a reflection during sleep. All in all it was a pretty romantic dream. Perhaps I shall illustrate it in a painting someday.

Iconodule

Can't say that I have.

LordOfGoblins

do you want to know why?
The chances lord Jesus visiting someone in a dream is about as much as Baha'u'llah, practically 0%.
This is because Lord JEsus is the return of Baha'u'llah. They are both too lofty to visit there servants so they sended Abdul'Baha all the time instead.
Its true. No Bahai can rebutt what Im saying. I invite anyone to rebutt me..
Why does Baha'u'llah never visit people???
im so heartbroken about this. I have suffered so greatly and Baha'u'llah never visited me once. He never even sent Abdul'Baha or anyone to visit me.

Essence of GOD

umm, ive seen bahaullah in a dream, as stated above.
dont be heartbroken, perhaps iam weaker that he visited my dream.
also, it was not a pleasant experience, it was terrifying basking within his limitless authority.

Iconodule

Well lord I believe the lord has appeared to his saints in the past within the tradition of the church. Your free to accept or deny that I don't care, but God, the Lord Jeuss may appear to anyone he wants.

tonyfish58

LOG - There are a few ways to Pioneer

1) You can Ask the NSA where they would like you to go and take the given post, or

2) You could look at a list of Areas where the NSA would like to increase Baha'i Numbers pick a spot and move, or

3) Find a place where you would like to live that needs Baha'is and notify the NSA that you are able to move to this place and respond to Their reply.

By choosing a post that the NSA wishes to fill, you are achieving an outcome that is planned and will have full support.

Reflecting back on life Option 1 & 2 is THE WAY TO GO

I did option 3 and in the end it failed. I moved too far away from the support you need to deepen any new Baha'is. (I did apply and was sanctioned to move to where we did, but if you can not get support in the end the effort fades)

There is wisdom in using the administrative process to the best of our ability.

Regards Tony

Itena

Don't be heartbroken, my dear friend! Perhaps someday, God may grace you with a truthful dream, but there is no need to be sad if this doesn't happen. Here is a quote from Abdu'l Baha that perhaps may bring you some comfort.

If thou art not seeing dreams (and visions), be thou not sad. Thou art going to see, whilst thou art awake. A wakeful eye is acceptable in the Threshold of the Almighty. Therefore, I hope that thou wilt open the eye of thine insight, travel in all the realms of God, see the splendor of the Kingdom and behold the effulgence of the Realm of might.
(‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Tablets of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá v3, p. 530)

tonyfish58

Itena - That is a wonderful quote

I also like to reflect on all the people that tried to visit Baha'u'llah in His lifetime but Fate kept them away. That must have been very hard for them as well.

Keep Faith strong and work on our deeds and one day Gods grace may be given unto us in abundance.

One way to look at it now is, that God has given us the bounty of Knowing Baha'u'llah in this day, that bounty is infinite and I am thankful for it even if I also do not have the dreams

Regards Tony

LordOfGoblins

got any links to these dreams?
I know of the saint john teh divine. That was a pretty special thing though cos he had his own small revelation so to speak.

Iconodule

Dreams? When did I speak of dreams?

Fadl

If you read the 4 volumes of the Revelation of Baha'u'llah by Taherzadeh, you can read many stories about dreams or visions that believers had about Baha'u'llah. There are also such stories in Stories about Baha'u'llah, and other sources.

I had a dream about Baha'u'llah once, and also about 'Abdu'l-Baha once. I'm not saying what I experienced were visions or real encounters, however they certainly had a very powerful affect on me at the time, and I still remember these as strong experiences after all these years. Both dreams happened in the same year, and I have to admit that they both happened after having met a few believers within a short span who had recounted similar dreams. Perhaps this was what spawned my own dreams. But I remember thinking then "WOW, I've never had a dream like that and can scarsely even imaging such a thing!" The thought of coming face to face with either Baha'u'llah or 'Abdu'l-Baha has always filled me with feelings of unworthiness and fear, because I know how really unworthy I am. Of course, either of them would no doubt be nothing but compassionate and loving, but the thought of them seeing through to my soul is frightening. There is no greater nudity than this, really.


Anyway, lots of believers, from the earliest days of the faith till modern times have had dream experiences of 'Abdu'l-Baha and Baha'u'llah, and sometimes it can really change a person.


Cheers

LordOfGoblins

there are lots of experiences around the time of Baha'u'llah. But these days just abdul'Baha..
Anyway noone deserves a dream of Baha'u'llah more than i do. But i dont get one..
You dont know my history so you cant know why i say that..

LordOfGoblins

Links. As in interenet links to lord JEsus visiting people in dreams. THe topic was dreams if you have something on visions that is oktoo...

Fadl

I guess I felt like you around the time it happened to me, with the difference that I didn't feel like I deserved one. It can happen to you, and I guess the stronger you wish it and the more you think about it, the more likely that it is to happen especially if you wish it intensely for a long time. Don't be surprised.

LordOfGoblins

thanks..
are you willing to share what happened or not so much.
Im just wondering. Of course its your decision and a personal thing..

Iconodule

I didn't speak of people being visited in dreams, I spoke of the traditions of the church which tell us that Christ has appeared to some, that the saints of old have appeared to some. Of course this is just the tradition of the church which your free to accept or reject. Of course I've heard of many people seeing Jesus in dreams and I think some of them are wrong to suggest that God was behind it, even if they believe God was behind it.

LordOfGoblins

appeared to could mean dreams or visions. And your trying to say im supposed to assume you meant just visions but I did account for visions in the last post to you so why are you carrying on??

Iconodule

Im saying I never said or meant dreams. Though I dont inherently discount that.

Fadl

That's a good Point Icon.

The mind is capable of many things, including producing all sorts of dreams. I think it is impossible to say that a dream of Jesus (or any other Holy figure) is sent by God. Even so, it can still be very meaningful and significant for the person who has such a dream.

Fadl

I'll send you a P.M.

LordOfGoblins

if you have any linkgs please send them to me... that is what im looking for.
cheers

LordOfGoblins

yes exactly. Many people would have had idle fancy dreams of Baha'u'llah i reckon anyway.
Like that one where he was floating in the stadium, no offence essenceofGod..

i do recall a dream of Abdul'Baha where he was running across a cities rooftop leaping from roof to roof. But I put that in this sortof category as well. Its just a dream of no consequence and I scarecly remember it. Sortof like prince of persia style. Still better than nothing i guess.
haha

Fadl

My dream experience also had a great multitude of people who were amassing in files to see Baha'u'llah approach. He wasn't floating, but it was a setting not completely unlike a stadium because there were thousands gathered around. I don't know how 'floating in a stadium' as a dream is more or less fanciful than any of the other dreams I've heard or read about involving Baha'u'llah, such as the one where he was surrounded by fish holding at his locks of hair, to name one of the top of my head. I certainly would not be one to discount anyone's dream experience at all, dreams are generally strange, but even strange dreams can have great meaning to them, even if they are the product of the mind and not an act of God. Perhaps God has endowed the mind with this ability so that it can gain insight and wisdom. Who knows for sure besides God?

LordOfGoblins

to be honest with you i recall another dream more recently that i was chatting to Baha'u'llah somewhere in a street. But the thing is this is just not good enough. I dont remember anything that was said and it didnt help me at all. What is the point in a dream like that? It is utterly useless, esp to someone like me who is looking for answers to certain things in his life that prayer nor doctors nor the writings, NAY NOTHING has been able to solve..

maybe im getting too emotional. we can just leave the topic alone..

Fadl

I think what makes it meaningful or not is, well, if it was meaningful to you! But just because the movie seems far fetched in your dream doesn't really matter much. Any dream can be potentially meaning and doesn't necessarily require a direct intervention from God, or for God to tamper in our heads and dreams. After all, it is all already in there. Baha'u'llah has revealed:

"Thou art My lamp, and My light is in thee, get thou from it thy radiance"

tonyfish58

I have had friends who have had dreams, myself I can not recall any dream with any Notable spiritual figure in it

I do not worry about it as such. There would be no useful end to that if I did

I suppose the aim is to keep working our way to a virtuous life within the Laws revealed by Baha'u'llah.

I hope the dreams people have are an aid with their Faith. It would be nice to have one, but if if does not happen it is still all with me. (well that would be the aim anyway)

LOG - I hope your answers come around real soon cobber

Regards Tony