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Old 02-28-2013, 05:14 AM   #1
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Do gay activists sometimes misrepresent and mistreat people with contrary views?

After I started the threads about Baha'is mistreating gays, it seemed to me only fair to start this one.

I do see gay activists misrepresenting and mistreating people with views about homosexuality contrary to theirs. I'll explain later why, in Baha'i forums, I only post objections to Baha'is misrepresenting and mistreating gays.

(later) I won't go into details, but in my current understanding and practice of Baha'u'llah's purposes and prescriptions, the place to raise objections against Baha'is misrepresenting and mistreating gays is in Baha'i forums, and the place to raise objections against gay activists misrepresenting and mistreating people with contrary views is in the forums of gay activists.

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Old 02-28-2013, 08:44 AM   #2
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I would hesitate to start a forum campaign against Baha'is who are mistreating anyone, as it is for our Institutions to deal with those individuals and our job to report the problems to them. Perhaps I am being too sensitive. I would also hesitate to argue in a gay venue about the Faith as well.
 
Old 02-28-2013, 09:07 AM   #3
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I would hesitate to start a forum campaign against Baha'is who are mistreating anyone, as it is for our Institutions to deal with those individuals and our job to report the problems to them. Perhaps I am being too sensitive. I would also hesitate to argue in a gay venue about the Faith as well.
I agree.
 
Old 02-28-2013, 12:10 PM   #4
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It's not fair to single out gays -- or gay activism -- in this regard.

Any type of interst group or movement will use the tactic of misrepresenting people or groups it percives as being on the other side, so to speak. Take any issue -- abortion, animal rights, gun control, whatever. If you look at the debates going on, you won't see nearly so much rational points and arguments, as you will rhetoric, grandious statements of rightness and sweeping statements about how bad and terrible this or that type of person or group of people are -- even outright name-calling.

It's a problem with the underlying thinking. Society of today is rooted heavily in politics, and making everything a zero-sum game.

Until that thinking can be overcome, and people can learn to be mindful, rational and not overly concerend about their "side" winning whatever struggle or issue is supposedly at stake, we will continue to see interest groups misrepresenting others.
 
Old 02-28-2013, 04:24 PM   #5
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mytmouse, I agree that misrepresenting and mistreating people with contrary views is universal and not unique to gay activists.

The reason I started this thread is in consideration for Baha'is who might feel unfairly singled out by my discussions about Baha'is mistreating gays, and others who might wonder why I'm only objecting to that, and not to the way people are mistreating Baha'is.
 
Old 03-01-2013, 08:11 AM   #6
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mytmouse, I agree that misrepresenting and mistreating people with contrary views is universal and not unique to gay activists.

The reason I started this thread is in consideration for Baha'is who might feel unfairly singled out by my discussions about Baha'is mistreating gays, and others who might wonder why I'm only objecting to that, and not to the way people are mistreating Baha'is.
When I've tried to discuss homosexuality or gay issues on other, non-Baha'i forums, there are always those people who equate any disagreement with a certain point of few with "hate" or "bigotry."

And along those lines, I've been called everything but the kitchen sink, and had the Faith and its central figures described in the worst of terms.

But, I guess I never felt particularly hurt or mistreated. As I see it, when somebody is that set in their views and that angry and hostile, it's pointless to either take it personally, or try changing their mind.

Many people will oppose the Baha'i Faith for many reasons. And, of course, they have the right to do that.
 
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mytmouse, the only time I ever tried to speak out against mistreatment of Baha'is in a gay forum, I was expelled.

Apart from that, I've never spent any time in a gay forum, Baha'i or otherwise. If I did, and I saw Baha'is being mistreated, I would speak out against it.

I won't try to explain all my reasons. I'll just say that at this point if I see people in an environment where it's popular to mistreat them, I will feel a responsibility to speak out against it when I see it.
 
Old 03-03-2013, 04:56 PM   #8
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mytmouse, the only time I ever tried to speak out against mistreatment of Baha'is in a gay forum, I was expelled.

Apart from that, I've never spent any time in a gay forum, Baha'i or otherwise. If I did, and I saw Baha'is being mistreated, I would speak out against it.

I won't try to explain all my reasons. I'll just say that at this point if I see people in an environment where it's popular to mistreat them, I will feel a responsibility to speak out against it when I see it.
I wasn't talking about gay forums. I was speaking about open public forums, secular in nature.

In my experience, the people most adamant about abusing others who disagreed with them, were not gays. Rather, they were pro-gay-rights straights, who I suppose, felt they had moral license and obligation to ridicule anything outside what they consider to be the right way of thinking.

Most gay people I've dealt with have actually been quite polite.
 
Old 03-03-2013, 05:26 PM   #9
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mytmouse, I agree. I mislabeled the forum I was talking about. It was more of a gay activism forum.

Besides, I now see the words "Baha'i" and "gay" that I used in the titles of these threads as inflammatory red herrings. I've written more about that in another thread.
 
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