|07-27-2014, 12:03 AM||#1|
Joined: Jan 2010
next generation will pay for the wrongdoings of the past?
Hi everyone , can anyone help where / if in the writings we have elucidation that the next generation will pay for the wrongdoings of the past. I hope I am making sense. thanks.
|07-27-2014, 02:20 PM||#2|
Joined: Oct 2011
We are told that past generations are not held accountable for the sins of their fathers, as believed by some Christians, in the idea of Original sin.
I only see this as a possibility with the way the present and past generations have been abusing our resources (my feeling) and polluting our environment, in this way possibly the new generations will have to clean up our mess.
|07-27-2014, 02:25 PM||#3|
Joined: Jul 2014
In what way does that differ from the sins of the fathers - and isn't it possible that this is all that was initially meant by "the sins of the fathers" in the first place?
("sins of the father" and "original sin" are seperate concepts, btw, in christian theology. They are complementary but not interchangeable)
|07-27-2014, 06:02 PM||#4|
Joined: Jun 2009
This is an interesting question. I have found one quotation:
"For example, if a man does a great injustice to another in his life, then, after his death, his son will be despised for having had such a father and in some cases the injury might be so serious that the effect would reach to the grandson, etc., or a man may, by wrong living, fall into consumption and give that disease to his children unto the third or fourth generation.
"Both physically and mentally the sins of the fathers may be visited upon the children."
('Abdu'l-Bahá: Daily Lessons Received at 'Akká 1979 ed., pp. 45-46)
(Compilations, Lights of Guidance, p. 508)
This seems to me to point to the actions of the parents having the potential to affect the life of the child and I am sure we can see a lot of examples of that in life, whether or not it was a sin...and of course, the actions of parents often have a very good impact on the child too. This does not seem to be referring to any type of divine retribution for the "sins of the fathers", just an inevitable consequence.
This is also interesting, to look at the topic from the opposite direction so to speak:
"Also a father and mother endure the greatest troubles and hardships for their children; and often when the children have reached the age of maturity, the parents pass on to the other world. Rarely does it happen that a father and mother in this world see the reward of the care and trouble they have undergone for their children. Therefore, children, in return for this care and trouble, must show forth charity and beneficence, and must implore pardon and forgiveness for their parents. So you ought, in return for the love and kindness shown you by your father, to give to the poor for his sake, with greatest submission and humility implore pardon and remission of sins, and ask for the supreme mercy.
"It is even possible that the condition of those who have died in sin and unbelief may become changed -- that is to say, they may become the object of pardon through the bounty of God, not through His justice -- for bounty is giving without desert, and justice is giving what is deserved. As we have power to pray for these souls here, so likewise we shall possess the same power in the other world, which is the Kingdom of God. Are not all the people in that world the creatures of God? Therefore, in that world also they can make progress. As here they can receive light by their supplications, there also they can plead for forgiveness and receive light through entreaties and supplications. Thus as souls in this world, through the help of the supplications, the entreaties and the prayers of the holy ones, can acquire development, so is it the same after death. Through their own prayers and supplications they can also progress, more especially when they are the object of the intercession of the Holy Manifestations." [P-19]
(Adib Taherzadeh, The Covenant of Baha'u'llah, p. 17)
|07-27-2014, 08:55 PM||#5|
Joined: May 2013
From: forest falls california
thousands upon thousands
As here they can receive light by their supplications, there also they can plead for forgiveness and receive light through entreaties and supplications. Thus as souls in this world, through the help of the supplications, the entreaties and the prayers of the holy ones, can acquire development, so is it the same after death. Through their own prayers and supplications they can also progress, more especially when they are the object of the intercession of the Holy Manifestations." [P-19]
(Adib Taherzadeh, The Covenant of Baha'u'llah, p. 17)[/QUOTE]
. This quote from the Bab really blows me away (and helps me to remember to pray for my parents... ;-)
. "IT is seemly that the servant should, after each prayer, supplicate God to bestow mercy and forgiveness upon his parents. Thereupon God’s call will be raised: ‘Thousand upon thousand of what thou hast asked for thy parents shall be thy recompense!’ Blessed is he who remembereth his parents when communing with God. There is, verily, no God but Him, the Mighty, the Well-Beloved. VIII, 16."