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Old 01-20-2018, 06:15 AM   #1
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What do you think about mormon religion and their prophet Joseph Smith ? Is it compatible with bahais faith ?
 
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:46 AM   #2
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I every body !

What do you think about mormon religion and their prophet Joseph Smith ? Is it compatible with bahais faith ?
I am new to the Baha'i faith! I been reading that the manifestations of God are as follows: Abraham, Moses, Krishna, Buddha, Jesus Christ, Muhammad, and Bahaullah. It will be 1,000 years before a new messenger arrives I read. Hope this answers your question.
 
Old 01-20-2018, 09:23 AM   #3
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Some would say yes, some would say no. There is an article that I read on this subject, I hope you find it interesting: http://bahaisofutah.angelfire.com/JOSEPHSMITH.html

I also had a discussion on these forums long ago that was about the Mormon prophets, I believe you can find it in the interfaith section. Glad to have you on the forums
 
Old 01-20-2018, 11:51 AM   #4
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Dear fabfabfabfab,

Joseph Smith can not be accepted by the Bahá'ís as a Manifestation of God as the successorship goes from Muhammad zu the Báb to Bahá'u'lláh. There is no room for another such figure. Therefore the Book of Mormon can not be qualified as Holy Scripture in a Bahá'í sense as those are only texts originating directly from God through His Messengers.

Nevertheless the Guardian and the Universal House of Justice regard Joseph Smith as a man receptive to the "spirit of the age" released by the Bahá'í revelation. Therefore some of his teachings may have come from this source unconsciously.

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Regarding your question concerning Joseph Smith and the ‘Book of Mormon’; as the Bahá’í Teachings quite clearly outline the succession of Prophets from the days of Christ as being Muhammad, the Báb, and finally Bahá’u’lláh, it is obvious that Joseph Smith is not a Manifestation of God.
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Joseph Smith we do not consider a Prophet, minor or otherwise. Certainly no references he made would have foretold the coming of the Revelation in his capacity as a Prophet.
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The Guardian would advise you to teach the Mormons like everyone else, the Faith, when you find them receptive. They have many good principles, and their teachings regarding chastity, not drinking or smoking, etc., are quite similar to ours, and should form a point of common interest.
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As for the status of Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon Faith, he is not considered by Bahá’ís to be a prophet, minor or otherwise. But of course he was a religious teacher sensitive to the spiritual currents flowing in the early 19th century directly from the appearance of the Báb and Bahá’u’lláh and the Revelation of Their Messages of hope and Divine Guidance.
 
Old 01-27-2018, 02:06 AM   #5
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Joseph Smith was a fraud. He deceived many people away from Christ with his innumerable blasphemies including that God the Father is a man, that the Son and Holy Spirit are separate gods from him, that we can become gods of our own planets, that the universe contains an infinite amount of gods, etc. Mormonism is complete and utter blasphemy. If I could, I would tear down their unholy temples. I did participate in a Book of Mormon book burning once. I hope to participate in many more. They are blasphemers, and I only desire their salvation and the destruction of their cult.
 
Old 01-27-2018, 06:41 AM   #6
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Joseph smith predicted the coming of 'the son of man' he was close to the truth and died in 1844 the same time as the 'son of man' arrived. I have more information on this if your interested.
 
Old 01-27-2018, 11:30 AM   #7
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Joseph smith predicted the coming of 'the son of man' he was close to the truth and died in 1844 the same time as the 'son of man' arrived. I have more information on this if your interested.
One thing is for sure, that with Two Manifestations living in the world from 1817 to 1844 prior to the first Declaration, an unprecedented Spiritual outpouring was occurring.

Many people with hearts directed towards spiritual matters would have had great inspirations. Sorting self from those experiences is our greatest test in life.

Regards Tony
 
Old 01-27-2018, 01:26 PM   #8
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Joseph Smith was a fraud. He deceived many people away from Christ with his innumerable blasphemies including that God the Father is a man, that the Son and Holy Spirit are separate gods from him, that we can become gods of our own planets, that the universe contains an infinite amount of gods, etc. Mormonism is complete and utter blasphemy. If I could, I would tear down their unholy temples. I did participate in a Book of Mormon book burning once. I hope to participate in many more. They are blasphemers, and I only desire their salvation and the destruction of their cult.
Destruction of a group that don't believe the same things as you, definitely something Jesus would want, hm? You have a lot of hate in your heart for Mormonism, this hatred certainly removes your heart from God's graces. A kindly tongue is the lodestone of the hearts of men.

I'm definitely in agreement with Yousefy2, in the sense that he got close to the truth, though he definitely got some things wrong. And of course with Tonyfish, with such potent spiritual energies present, it was simply inevitable that there would be people who felt it in the way he did.
 
Old 01-28-2018, 01:51 AM   #9
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Joseph Smith was a fraud. He deceived many people away from Christ with his innumerable blasphemies including that God the Father is a man, that the Son and Holy Spirit are separate gods from him, that we can become gods of our own planets, that the universe contains an infinite amount of gods, etc. Mormonism is complete and utter blasphemy. If I could, I would tear down their unholy temples. I did participate in a Book of Mormon book burning once. I hope to participate in many more. They are blasphemers, and I only desire their salvation and the destruction of their cult.
OMG!!

that is extreme! that is what Muslim extremists would do, and that is what has given rise to groups like ISIS!

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Old 01-28-2018, 09:46 AM   #10
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Joseph Smith was a fraud. He deceived many people away from Christ with his innumerable blasphemies including that God the Father is a man, that the Son and Holy Spirit are separate gods from him, that we can become gods of our own planets, that the universe contains an infinite amount of gods, etc. Mormonism is complete and utter blasphemy. If I could, I would tear down their unholy temples. I did participate in a Book of Mormon book burning once. I hope to participate in many more. They are blasphemers, and I only desire their salvation and the destruction of their cult.
Very harsh and cruel words towards Mormonism or anyone who disagrees with your theology. One more thing. If Bahaullah was a messenger of God. Then God would not send two different ones at the same time. Therefore Bahaullah must have been Gods messenger. Joseph Smith was a European man living in America and made many false prophecies. In conclusion I would say that Bahaullah would be the correct choice over Joseph Smith.
 
Old 01-28-2018, 09:52 AM   #11
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Joseph Smith was a fraud. He deceived many people away from Christ with his innumerable blasphemies including that God the Father is a man, that the Son and Holy Spirit are separate gods from him, that we can become gods of our own planets, that the universe contains an infinite amount of gods, etc. Mormonism is complete and utter blasphemy. If I could, I would tear down their unholy temples. I did participate in a Book of Mormon book burning once. I hope to participate in many more. They are blasphemers, and I only desire their salvation and the destruction of their cult.
One more thing being hateful and burning books is not a good example of following your religion right. Read: (John 13:34-35.)
 
Old 01-28-2018, 01:04 PM   #12
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Very harsh and cruel words towards Mormonism or anyone who disagrees with your theology. One more thing. If Bahaullah was a messenger of God. Then God would not send two different ones at the same time. Therefore Bahaullah must have been Gods messenger. Joseph Smith was a European man living in America and made many false prophecies. In conclusion I would say that Bahaullah would be the correct choice over Joseph Smith.
Baha'u'llah and the Bab lived at the same time, though. So did John the Baptist and Jesus. Or Balarama and Krishna. Or heck, if you go back far enough in Hinduism, the 7 great sages all lived at the same time, along with Narada and Swayambhuva. To me, I don't see there being an issue in having multiple messengers at once.

My issue stems from the fact that Joseph Smith claimed prophecy during the dispensation of Muhammad. His claim to prophecy predates the claim of the Bab by a solid few years, and we are taught that there were no Manifestations of God during this cycle of time, as people were waiting for the Mahdi (The Bab). On top of this, Joseph Smith definitely didn't really teach about Islam, instead skipping Muhammad's dispensation entirely. So, claiming to be a Prophet when there could be none, and not building upon the latest message of his era, makes me think he was just a man. I would say he is a Seer. Definitely not a prophet.
 
Old 01-28-2018, 01:14 PM   #13
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Baha'u'llah and the Bab lived at the same time, though. So did John the Baptist and Jesus. Or Balarama and Krishna. Or heck, if you go back far enough in Hinduism, the 7 great sages all lived at the same time, along with Narada and Swayambhuva. To me, I don't see there being an issue in having multiple messengers at once.

My issue stems from the fact that Joseph Smith claimed prophecy during the dispensation of Muhammad. His claim to prophecy predates the claim of the Bab by a solid few years, and we are taught that there were no Manifestations of God during this cycle of time, as people were waiting for the Mahdi (The Bab). On top of this, Joseph Smith definitely didn't really teach about Islam, instead skipping Muhammad's dispensation entirely. So, claiming to be a Prophet when there could be none, and not building upon the latest message of his era, makes me think he was just a man. I would say he is a Seer. Definitely not a prophet.
Yeah, I think your right. I made a mistake on that one I will admit to it. God can send more than one messenger if he chooses to. But keep in mind that we have to look at the prophets prophesies to see if they are true or false.

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Old 01-28-2018, 01:42 PM   #14
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Joseph Smith would be considered a reformer, not a prophet. He did not bring a new message to mankind, he just reformed the message that Jesus brought. Remember, the proper name for the Morman church, is Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Loving regards,
Becky

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