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Old 03-11-2013, 01:47 AM   #1
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The hardships of unemployment

Hi. I’m writing today because I feel I need talk about a issue that’s going on in my household. I live in Detroit, this city has a high unemployment rate, I’m also unemployed. I’m struggling trying to find employment. I’ve had two jobs in the past but they didn’t work out, I also tried to go into door to door sales but that wasn’t right for me nether. I also signed up for school to become a veterinarian technician, I go back this fall. But in the mean time I’m still trying to look for employment. Now I live with my mom and sometime conflict brakes out. She say thing like, why can’t you find a job!, what’s wrong with you! Everybody gets a job beside you! I try to tell her I am trying to find a job just like every body else, but she still say the same thing. It’s very nerve-racking, stressful and saddening to me. She seems to be so negative about the situation. She gets mad, she says bad things about my character, and she says inaccurate and untruthful thing about my situation. It seems that all she want to do is argue and aggravate. She’s very contradictory, she say things like I don’t want a job, I want to live with her for the rest of my life. She say things like I’m not trying to help her out. Some times I try to use the Baha’i principles in my situations, but she even go so far as to try and use that against me, and she is suppose to be a Baha’i too! She say things like “I’m too religious” or “I’m too spiritual.” She say things like I’m a grown ass man, you might as well get out of here and walk the streets like the rest of them, you better get out there and start hustling like the rest of them. I feel like if I really do have to move out without employment, I don’t want to have a relationship with her anymore. If she doesn’t really care why should I care. It’s a nightmare sometimes. She make it seems like I’m a wrong and week human being. Sometimes I just sit there and don’t know what to do.?

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Old 03-11-2013, 02:34 AM   #2
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od19g6be - Welcome - I am sorry to hear of your troubles - I pray that your situation will change for the better.

I had some hard times finding work a couple of times. In the end I got lucky and have found good work. You have to get your foot in the door and then show an employer you know how to work. After that work seems to come a bit easier.

I tried the Door to door and Phone salesman at this time as well. Boy I did not like that at all. In fact now it would be against the principals I hold!

What I did do was anything for anyone which in the end found me work. I went around and did Gardening & Lawn Mowing for people & businesses. I tried handy man work (I was Ok at this though) An add in the Papers helped with this. I went around to places and offered to work and got a few odd jobs.

There is quite a few unemployed here in Australia around Cairns now. In the news lately is how a lot of people find work pretty quickly, may be you could give it a go.

You have to be willing to take on any work though! What they do is do up a poster and go stand on a busy corner. The poster reads "I need work willing to try anything!! It always brings offers of work quite quickly, but as I said some of the offers will be for work that you might not like. You will have to be very flexible!

You have to try to make peace with your mother. She only wants the best for you, sometimes it is not easy to show that in times of stress.

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Old 03-11-2013, 02:37 AM   #3
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This might sound like a crazy idea. I was just thinking about where you might find the best kind of help looking for a job, and it popped into my head to try some organizations that work with homeless people. I don't know if any of them would help anyone who is *not* homeless, but it might be worth a try.

I don't know what to say about your problems with your mother. I'll be pondering that.
 
Old 03-11-2013, 05:52 AM   #4
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...I tried the Door to door and Phone salesman at this time as well. Boy I did not like that at all. In fact now it would be against the principals I hold!...
lol, me too!

Seriously, sales people are good people and society can't survive without them. The vast majority are very principled even though people like us that can't hack it may sneer at them. Let's face it, sales is hard work, very hard work and that's why they get paid so well. I did poorly in sales too and I ended up looking for easier work. I eventually got work I was up to, including one job where I went to work at 3:30am with underwater divers blowing up dynamite charges. Salary was great although saleswork can pay much better.

The way it works is you can get others to pay you for your time only if you can make your time valuable enough. Sometimes it's by education, sometimes it's by showing effort. I once worked at a restaurant cleaning toilets from 11PM to 7AM but I got fired for talking a week off when my dad died. Let's face it, with a job you got to BE there.
 
Old 03-11-2013, 07:47 AM   #5
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od19g6be,

I'm sure your situation is incredibly difficult. I know that Detroit has been suffering a devastating loss of employment in recent years, some of the worst in the country.

I am praying for you and an improvement in your situation.

Take care friend
 
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...have to move out without employment, I don’t want to have a relationship with her anymore. If she doesn’t really care why should I care. It’s a nightmare sometimes. She make it seems like I’m a wrong and week human being. Sometimes I just sit there and don’t know what to do.?...
Click here for job openings 400 miles west of where you are, they can be had with no education and no experience. Click here for a Mich. Dept. Human Services office near you that can give you a bus ticket that will not only get you to the job but will also get you away from your nightmare. That's the easy part.

The hard part is being happy, but it's not a matter of choice because you've got to be happy no matter what. At the very least you have to act happy, though more often than not those that act happy end up being happy. AbdulBaha said:
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Be thou happy and well-pleased and arise to offer thanks to God, in order that thanksgiving may conduce to the increase of bounty.
What that means is it's first happiness and then comes being well off. It's happy people that get jobs.
 
Old 03-11-2013, 09:54 AM   #7
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When you're out of work, no job is beneath you.

Case in point, I have a four-year university degree, and had more than 15 years of career experience behind me when the economy crashed in late 2008/early 2009, and I lost the job I had at the time.

I went to work on the graveyard shift at Wal-Mart. It actually wasn't a bad job, and from there, the only way was up. During that crash, a many people were hit with devastating job losses. Some of them got upset, because they could not find anything that matched their old job. I didn't waste time feeling sorry for myself that way. I went to Wal-Mart and got a job. It gave me something to do, a sense of pride in working, and a paycheck.

I put my nose to the grindstone and worked as hard as I could. My first step up was getting transferred from the graveyard shift to a more desirable day shift job at the store.

I also made it a point to check in with what contacts I had left in my profession. It paid off -- after about two years at Wal-Mart, I was hired back by one of my former professional employers.

But, that was only after working part-time for them, while still retaining my full-time job at Wal-Mart. For almost three months, I worked seven days a week. But again, it finally paid off, my former employer took me back full-time and I was able to quit my job at Wal-Mart.

Now I'm looking to upgrade to an even better job. And from what I've seen, hiring has really picked back up in my professional field.

My ultimate point is -- get whatever you can find, and bust your butt at it. From there, things will start happening.

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Old 03-11-2013, 10:09 AM   #8
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od19g6be,

Thanks for sharing there.. and yes I've heard about Detroit...and Camden...and other places...

I also live near an area that has not seen much improvement in the economy...I have a son that graduated from State College a few years ago and the company he worked for also folded.. so he's been virtually unemployed for the past four years.

He does some wherehouse work for my sister without benefits.. I pay a premium for his medical care ..and a premium for his car insurance.

So I know whereof you speak...

Some selections on the economy:

Fifth: Bahá'u'lláh set forth principles of guidance and teaching for economic readjustment. Regulations were revealed by Him which insure the welfare of the commonwealth. As the rich man enjoys his life surrounded by ease and luxuries, so the poor man must likewise have a home and be provided with sustenance and comforts commensurate with his needs. This readjustment of the social economic is of the greatest importance inasmuch as it insures the stability of the world of humanity; and until it is effected, happiness and prosperity are impossible.

~ Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p. 240

Now concerning our social principles, namely the teachings of His Holiness Bahá'u'lláh spread far and wide fifty years ago, they verily comprehend all other teachings. It is clear and evident that without these teachings progress and advancement for mankind are in no wise possible. Every community in the world findeth in these Divine Teachings the realization of its highest aspirations. These teachings are even as the tree that beareth the best fruits of all trees. Philosophers, for instance, find in these heavenly teachings the most perfect solution of their social problems, and similarly a true and noble exposition of matters that pertain to philosophical questions. In like manner men of faith behold the reality of religion manifestly revealed in these heavenly teachings, and clearly and conclusively prove them to be the real and true 348 remedy for the ills and infirmities of all mankind. Should these sublime teachings be diffused, mankind shall be freed from all perils, from all chronic ills and sicknesses. In like manner are the Bahá'í economic principles the embodiment of the highest aspirations of all wage-earning classes and of economists of various schools.

~ Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith, p. 347

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Old 03-11-2013, 10:12 AM   #9
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If you're young, single and willing to relocate... Go to North Dakota. The oil fields there are going bonkers, and even places like McDonald's are hiring as fast as they can, and paying stupidly high wages.

Of course, housing will be a bearcat. You might have to pile in with a bunch of other people in a small space.
 
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...Regulations were revealed by Him which insure the welfare of the commonwealth. As the rich man enjoys his life surrounded by ease and luxuries, so the poor man must likewise have a home and be provided with sustenance and comforts commensurate with his needs. This readjustment of the social economic is of the greatest importance...
~ Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p. 240
The sacred text is important here; this is another relavant passage:
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The doctrine of “Human Solidarity" is well developed in the Teaching of Baha’u’llah. “Human Solidarity " is greater than “Equality.” “Equality" is obtained more or less, through force (or legislation), but “Human Solidarity” is realized through the exercise of free will. The Virtue of man made manifest through voluntary philanthropy, based upon the idea of "Human Solidarity” is as follows:

Rich men give to the poor; that is, they may assist the poor, but by their own desire. It is not well that the poor should coerce the rich to contribute to them! For such coercion would be followed by disintegration and the organization of the affairs of society would be disturbed. But the idea of “Human Solidarity,” based upon mutual help and understanding, would lead to the peace and comfort of the world of Humanity, would be the cause of the illumination of the world of Humanity, and the means of prosperity and glory of the world.

Abdu'l-Baha to Andrew Carnegie, Jan. 10, 1913
 
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If you're young, single and willing to relocate... Go to North Dakota.
Not to mention which, you'll find the winters there UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!

Bruce
 
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Not to mention which, you'll find the winters there UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!

Bruce
I know, I lived for a couple of years on the Montana/North Dakota border. Freezing winters, blazing hot summers. Fun, fun!
 
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I know, I lived for a couple of years on the Montana/North Dakota border. Freezing winters, blazing hot summers. Fun, fun!
I lived a couple years in Montana too.

Great description. And we lived near the Milk river, so we had thick clouds of mosquitoes in summer along with the heat. . .
 
Old 03-12-2013, 07:05 AM   #14
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I lived a couple years in Montana too.

Great description. And we lived near the Milk river, so we had thick clouds of mosquitoes in summer along with the heat. . .
I was actually born in Nebraska, but spent most of my growing-up years in Colorado and Montana. I lived all over Montana as a teen-college student-young adult.

I also lived in Idaho for a number of years, and have been in Wyoming since 2004.

I love the West. I can't really imagine living anywhere else. I've gotten so used to all the space, I feel "crowded" if I'm out doing something, and anybody else is within a half-mile of me. LOL!
 
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Dear od19g6be, I feel your pain.

Others have given good advise here on how you may find employment, I will only comment on your mother. (what a testing time you are having sigh)

My only advise is that here is the perfect opportunity to practice the Baha'i life (Faith in action) My advise would be fewness of words, do not argue with her, just continue to tell her that you hear her words and love her very much. For every hurtful word give her love, I acknowledge it will not be easy, but put all your effort into it, God will reward you. Your action in loving your mother may even bring employment.

Here is a Baha'i prayer for employment.............

"O God! O God! Cause me to drink from the cup of Thy Bestowal. Illumine my face with the Light of Guidance. Make me firm in faithfulness and steadfastness in Thine Ancient Covenant. Suffer me to become one of Thy sincere servants.
Open before my face the doors of prosperity. Prepare for me the means of livelihood. Give me my bread through channels over which I have no control, Thy Heavenly Treasures.
Grant me the power to turn my face towards thy Merciful Countenance, to be faithful to Thy Cause. O Thou Clement and Compassionate One! Verily, Thou art gracious to those who are firm and steadfast in Thy Strong and Impregnable Covenant. Praise be to God, the Lord of the worlds!"
-Abdu'l-Baha, Star of the West, Vol. XIV 6, p. 167, September 1923
 
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Thanks for the encouragement everyone.
 
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"O God! O God! Cause me to drink from the cup of Thy Bestowal. Illumine my face with the Light of Guidance. Make me firm in faithfulness and steadfastness in Thine Ancient Covenant. Suffer me to become one of Thy sincere servants.
Open before my face the doors of prosperity. Prepare for me the means of livelihood. Give me my bread through channels over which I have no control, Thy Heavenly Treasures.
Grant me the power to turn my face towards thy Merciful Countenance, to be faithful to Thy Cause. O Thou Clement and Compassionate One! Verily, Thou art gracious to those who are firm and steadfast in Thy Strong and Impregnable Covenant. Praise be to God, the Lord of the worlds!"
-Abdu'l-Baha, Star of the West, Vol. XIV 6, p. 167, September 1923
Thank you Bill for sharing that.

I am employed, but need to find a different position for various reasons. . .
 
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Thank you Bill for sharing that.

I am employed, but need to find a different position for various reasons. . .
I'm doing exactly the same thing... seeking another position that is.

Looking for work when you're already employed is far less stressful.
 
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I know, I lived for a couple of years on the Montana/North Dakota border. Freezing winters, blazing hot summers. Fun, fun!
Yeah.

Back in the Bad Old Days when I was in the military, I spent four winters (that being how time is measured in ND) at Minot AFB.

I basically traded four years of my life for learning to type.

The good news is that I encountered the Baha'i Faith and enrolled there! :-)

Oh--and I was discharged just in time to drive to Wilmette, IL and see the Baha'i temple for the first time, and then (having gotten special permission to park at the temple) to fly down to Panama for the dedication of the new temple there!

Bruce
 
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Yeah.

Back in the Bad Old Days when I was in the military, I spent four winters (that being how time is measured in ND) at Minot AFB.

I basically traded four years of my life for learning to type.

The good news is that I encountered the Baha'i Faith and enrolled there! :-)

Oh--and I was discharged just in time to drive to Wilmette, IL and see the Baha'i temple for the first time, and then (having gotten special permission to park at the temple) to fly down to Panama for the dedication of the new temple there!

Bruce
We visited Minot once, I thought it was a surprisingly beautiful city. But then again, we were there in the middle of summer.

I actually love the Great Plains country, I think it gets a bad rap -- while the mountains get all the praise... LOL.

But, in terms of weather, it is a very harsh environment. Hot summers, cold winters, violent storms, and so forth.

I've yet to see a Baha'i Temple, or even a house of worship. I've spent my entire Baha'i life so far in small, remote areas. Where, if there were any meetings at all, they are simply held in people's homes.
 
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Thanks for the encouragement everyone.
Hang in there.

And, I'm serious about North Dakota. Yes, the weather is harsh, and housing will be extremely hard to come by. But there is a ridiculous amount of work there, for ridiculously high pay.

Alaska is a good place to go too. There's always work there too, and the pay is very good.
 
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Yeah.

Back in the Bad Old Days when I was in the military, I spent four winters (that being how time is measured in ND) at Minot AFB.

I basically traded four years of my life for learning to type.

The good news is that I encountered the Baha'i Faith and enrolled there! :-)

Oh--and I was discharged just in time to drive to Wilmette, IL and see the Baha'i temple for the first time, and then (having gotten special permission to park at the temple) to fly down to Panama for the dedication of the new temple there!

Bruce
That sounds like a wonderful, unforgettable experience. Wilmette and then Panama, I mean, not the six month winters in ND!
 
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Sigh I pioneered to Chile back in 2005 at the age of sixty.

I considered going to China or India at the time, but I had worked for many years with a lady from Chile, she interested me in Chile. So when I decided after a painful time in my life and suffering an incurable illness, being disabled physically to devote the rest of my life to Baha'u'llah, I decided to come to Chile, I felt the language would be easier to learn, only knowing English all my life, also the Temple soon to be built I thought :-) and so here I am.

I have only seen the Australian Temple, have photo's of all the others.
 
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Yeah.

Back in the Bad Old Days when I was in the military, I spent four winters (that being how time is measured in ND) at Minot AFB.

I basically traded four years of my life for learning to type.

The good news is that I encountered the Baha'i Faith and enrolled there! :-)

Oh--and I was discharged just in time to drive to Wilmette, IL and see the Baha'i temple for the first time, and then (having gotten special permission to park at the temple) to fly down to Panama for the dedication of the new temple there!

Bruce
Wow Bruce

Good on you Mate!

Cheers Tony
 
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Sigh I pioneered to Chile back in 2005 at the age of sixty.

I considered going to China or India at the time, but I had worked for many years with a lady from Chile, she interested me in Chile. So when I decided after a painful time in my life and suffering an incurable illness, being disabled physically to devote the rest of my life to Baha'u'llah, I decided to come to Chile, I felt the language would be easier to learn, only knowing English all my life, also the Temple soon to be built I thought :-) and so here I am.

I have only seen the Australian Temple, have photo's of all the others.
Wow too Blink Bill

Regards tony
 
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That sounds like a wonderful, unforgettable experience. Wilmette and then Panama, I mean, not the six month winters in ND!
In fact, there's a saying there:

"July, August, and winter!"

(Which in fact somewhat overstates the case, because IME the nicest months there were May and October.

Regards, :-)

Bruce
 
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I have only seen the Australian Temple; have photo's of all the others.
I've been fortunate enough to see four of them:
  • Wilmette, multiple times
  • Panama, at its dedication
  • Frankfurt, on several Voices of Baha tours
  • New Delhi, through a lucky accident.

The Delhi temple came about thus:

In 1999, we were on Baha'i pilgrimage. We stopped for a week in Athens on the way there. On the way back, we stopped for a week in London.

While in London, we got to visit the grave of Shoghi Effend;, and the caretalker of the gravesite, who had a shed nearby where he distributed cookies and literature was hosting a fireside in his home that night which we got to attend.

Then as we were ready to fly home from London, it turned out Virgin Airlines was overbooked, and we got bounced.

In compensation for this, Virgin gave us vouchers for a free round trip anywhere in the world they fly.

And using these, we spent a week in New Delhi the following year, coincidentally during the Birth of Baha'u'llah. So we also got to hear the choir perform for the holy day; in addition, the volulnteers working there had lined both sides of the entry sidewalk (a LONG walk, about a third of a mile long!) with about half a million small flowers for that day.

(When we reported to the airport for the return flight, we were hoping Virgin would bump us again so we could see the Australia temple; but unfortunately that didn't happen.) :-S

Regards,

Bruce
 
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The situation is the same all over the world because there is unemployment all over the world.Everyone facing debts because they have no more money to pay the debts.But what you think what can we do to reduce this unemployment?
 
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...what you think what can we do to reduce this unemployment?
We need spiritual unity.

From what I've seen the problem seems to be a civil war --factional hatred. People trying to hire someone else end up being heaped with scorn so they chose not to. There's a lot of evidence that this was the primary cause in the '1930's w/ the US rate at 24.9% unemployment vs. the current 7.7%. Let's see if humanity can set aside factional nonsense this time without mass death forcing us to come together.
 
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