Edward Palamar

Not really on both questions. Given the link you provided with so many errors, I'd say that your at least somewhat led astray.

In the beginning of the Book of the Acts of the Apostles one can find the first Church election. The filling of the shoes of Judas Iscariot by Matthias, chosen after prayer, and then by casting of lots. The gamble was placed in the Lord's hands.

Such prayerful selection is fine until that part of Daniel which states "when sinners have reached their measure", and the mystery of iniquity unfolds in the coming of antichrist. In time this procedure was replaced by direct appointment of candidates, here again, efforting in earnest, but against the better odds. I've already explained how the media feeds delusion concerning this. It all seems bleak and grim, but the resurrection is upon us at the same time.

Edward Palamar

How do you know? Did you grow up with them? You grew up with another's opinion.

Walrus

Again, the full story would be nice. Not a lot I can do until ya give me that

Walrus

If you think the modern-day Israel was the only Israel to ever exist, I can see how you would think this.

Please elaborate!! If there are errors I'd like to know what they are!!

Hahaha. That's a funny assertion to me. I "grew up" in a church that had, to my knowledge, no formal interpretation of Daniel or, at least, never taught me it if it had. The only part of Daniel that religion ever exposed to me was the story of Daniel and the lion's den. The first interpretation I formulated when reading the book for the first time and, as a ancient Persian history nerd (I was and still am rather strange), I though to myself "This weirdly lines up with historical narrative".

As a whole, I observe this:
You still neglect to give your full story. You seem to relish giving it in vague, cryptic pieces. This won't help you explain your position, if that is indeed what you are trying to do. Again, I enquire and invite you to explain your story and how it fulfills prophecy.

And, I'm quite all right with you thinking I've got a flawed interpretation of Daniel. Converting to the Baha'i Faith was not my first "conversion" in theological ideas, so trust I am quite open to new thoughts. But you do realize that I cannot recognize that my interpretation is flawed unless you bother to explain what the flaws are.

Again, I repeat my previous, ignored statements as I have in many posts before: Please explain the flaws in my interpretation, and please explain the whole of your interpretation instead of vague, cryptic sounding references to your mysterious past you refuse to fully disclose.

Do you really think I can accept your ideas on why I am wrong and you are right if you don't tell me what your ideas are in the first place??

dale ramsdell

. Sounds like a typical caucasion/christian/eurocentric position if you ask me.

tonyfish58

Dale, with a few unusual statements?

God bless and regards Tony

dale ramsdell

Tony,
. Whenever I see those kids on bicycles, the ones wearing white shirts and black pants, going around telling people about God, I want to ask them if they ever thought what they would "believe" if they were born to parents in Egypt who were Muslim, or in India to Hindu parents.

. We inherit our beliefs and our "centrist" views, as though we somehow wond the spiritual lottery and got our identity as a birthright. Its so hard for people to climb out of this first box.

. The world revolves around every baby that is born. "Me. Me! Its all about me!!!"

. Back on the reservation, even some of the Indians learned how to be "white"... Its not about a color, but an attitude of superiority, authority, and intellectual pride.

.

aidan

To an extent Dale. I did inherit my parents morality and belief in God. However my choice to leave Catholicism, the faith of my parents, was God's and my decision

dale ramsdell

Aiden,
. We would all be in bad shape if we did "not" inherit the morality taught in the various religious traditions, belief in God, etc. Whatever the box we are born into, including Baha'i, should not mean we don't climb up and have a look around for ourselves, right?

. For me, I had to "leave the church" to find Jesus, and Buddha, and Moses, and Krsna, and Muhammad, and the Bab, and Baha'u'llah.

. To simply be content with an inherited garment of beliefs is to do a dis-service to the Maker of all garments.

.

dale ramsdell

Tony,
I'm hoping that the "unusual statements" were not misunderstood to be applied to our buddy Walrus - "coo coo ca choo..." '-)

Thanks to Abdul Baha, we have an incredibly brilliant insight given to us regarding those Books which were "sealed until the time of the end". Not only were they not disclosed to Daniel, but to any person pretending to know them since, until the appearance of Him Who has fulfilled all prophecy.

. Hence, it is impossible to say "I know what they mean" without first acknowledging Baha'u'llah as the One Who has unsealed their meaning. The cats in the cradle on that one ;-)

tonyfish58

Dale my reflections did not consider Walrus an His replies to which I found very informative and well structured.

Edward though did make comments needing clarification to which when requested, he did not do?

Without the Keys there is little chance to clarify ones views! What a bounty to have them!

God bless and regards Tony

Sojourner

Just in case anyone thinks that Edward is typical of Catholics I will just say that I believe he is in great need of a psychiatrist.

Edward, I will pray for you.

Sojourner

tonyfish58

Dear Sojourner, we are all in need of the most great remedy.

None of us mere humans Love God as he should be Loved

Edward has great passion for His Vision of the Lord, like all of us, we have to focus that passion on what is of God and not on what is but vain and empty.

But each of us follow our path in obtaining that goal, may we all assist each other to do so. We should all.pray for and assist each other.

God bless all and regards Tony

Sojourner

Peace to you, my friend.

Edward Palamar

So you think that a promise of hope foretold over 2,500 years ago is a justification for you to insult the mentality of another.

That psychiatrist has some pills for you. I've got a size 11.

aidan

Lol

Walrus

Oh hey, you're still around.

Care to fill us in on the details of your story and claim yet??

Sojourner

Sorry, but you have already insulted the intelligence of everyone on this board with your outrageous claims. This has nothing to do with the hope foretold over 2500 years ago. You, my friend, have not been resurrected. You are not a King. What you are is the definition of a false prophet.

Your delusions of grandeur are just that, which will be proved when in 387 days from March 3, 2015 none of which you speak will have come to pass. Everyone here should mark that date their on the calendar. I hope you will come back and visit this board on that day, but I seriously doubt that anyone will hear from you again after that date.

By the way, congratulations on your size 11! You must be very proud. So the pills are working for you?

Sojourner.

Sojourner

Really?

Walrus

By the way, I'm the fulfillment of Isaiah 23:12-14. Though I refuse to give evidence of this fact other then through vague reference to my past which I will never disclose. Why won't anyone believe me?? It's obvious that Isaiah 23:13 is referring to Forest County, Wisconsin. :P

C'mon Palmer, ya gotta give us something.

tonyfish58

Dear friends, I think we should consider that this conversation has reached its end.

Please consider the guidance given to us by Baha'u'llah.

We are all but Souls finding our path to our Lord.

God bless all and regards Tony

Sojourner

The conversation should end on March 25, 2016, one way or the other.

SmilingSkeptic

The Failure of Daniel's Prophecies

Edward Palamar

It sounds to me like this Baha guy was a great surfer.

Edward Palamar

That's a pseudonym because he's not sure if he's right.

It's almost amazing that someone can bash both the prophecy and the prophet in a single writing. Almost . . .

Edward Palamar

No claims, clams, just calm.

Walrus

Willing to share your story yet??

gnat

Dies irae, dies illa
Solvet saeclum in favilla,
teste David cum Sibylla.
Quantus tremor est futurus,
quando judex est venturus,
cuncta stricte discussurus!

Oh, the beauty of the Christian conception of the Day of Judgment! And then comes Bahá'u'lláh and turns it all upside down!

Best

from

gnat

Walrus

Interesting, though this is refuting the Christian interpretation. All assumptions of it are made through that viewpoint and it is "failed" in that regard.

The assumption made by the linked article is that the kingdoms mentioned by prophecy are Babylonia, Media, Persia, and Greece.

The Baha'i interpretation, on the other hand, goes Babylonia, Persia (the Persians and Medes were the same empire), Greece, Islamic Caliphate.

It also uses the common Christian mistranslation attributing Darius to conquest of Babylonia, despite no other part of the bible doing that. Although not every bible is translated that way.

So it's not really a surprise to me that the interpretation used by the linked article's writer is not fulfilled. But I don't think anyone here, except maybe Sojourner, uses that interpretation, so I'm not sure it is relevant.

Traveler

Hello everyone, and God bless all of you.

I'm sorry that I haven't been keeping up lately on anything on this forum until now. Right now I'm in school,working at the same and taking care of other things so I don't really get time for any kind of socializing as I used to.

With that being said I hope all of my Bahai friends experienced a blessed, fulfilling, and enlightening Fast blessed with God's Grace. Same goes for Soujourner. I hope this years Lent was very gracious to you as well.

I just want to say that I've read some of this thread and what Edward had to say. Whatever his mental state or whatever he believes is up to him. All I know is that Judgement Day is today. The Resurrection is now. The question that I asked myself this Lent is "will I want Him to raise me up within the tomb of my heart(the lusts, anger, jealousy, arogance, etc.) into the New Life that God is calling all on planet Earth right now, or not? At the end of the day if we are talking about the "plausible" destruction of planet earth by man made designs, an asteroid, or whatever, nobody KNOWS. Christ Himself spelled it out in the Gospel when He said: ""But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
It is true also when He spoke of other TRUE prophets to come after Him, but for now, I think what's important is that people return to the essence of their Faiths which is Love, Light, and Truth. I think the Prophets were trying to tell us to wake up. Only then will we "see" the king in all his glory, because He live within each one of us. All of us. Sometimes human beings just choose to forget that at times which is why God is so gracious to let us learn from our painful lessons to return to Him. For me the moment is now.

With that I want to say God bless all of you and Edward with Peace.

tonyfish58

Dear Traveller, yes dear friend that is where we must look deep within our own selves.

To do this we have many veils to rend assunder.

God bless and regards Tony

Josh

Indeed.

"These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father." - Jesus Christ, John 16:25, KJV

"Say, Lo! The Father is come, and that which ye were promised in the Kingdom is fulfilled! This is the Word which the Son concealed, when to those around Him He said: ‘Ye cannot bear it now.’ And when the appointed time was fulfilled and the Hour had struck, the Word shone forth above the horizon of the Will of God." - Tablets of Bahá’u’lláh, p 11

tonyfish58

Josh, so plainly shown but so neglectful are we, we did no heed the warnings of the scriptures as we should have.

God bless all and regards Tony

Edward Palamar

That would be, "I wasn't good at English."

Edward Palamar

Then you've been believing in a lie for almost two hundred years, in fact.

tonyfish58

Dear Edward - The bat seeketh the darkenss of the cave when the Sun rises. The brightness of the risen Sun too much for it.

God bless the Light Regards Tony

Edward Palamar

You wrote that several weeks ago, and the days of the count continue to come to a close.

But as for the things that the spirit of prophecy speaks, we shall need the rest of eternity for their fulfillment.

The Mystery of Faith is a scroll being unrolled revealing Heaven, while the mystery of iniquity is a scroll that is being rolled up and thrown into everlasting fire, where the worm dies not.

gnat

Honestly, all those prophecies can turn one's head upside down. I think there is good food for thought in Abdu'l-Bahá's view that WWI was Armageddon. It makes a lot of sense, and it's a thought that could be taken quite far.

gnat

Walrus

You seem to be replying to very old comments now. Yet you still refuse to answer my more recent comments asking you why you won't share your story with us. Is it you are trying to distract me from my request to hear your story because you do not wish to share it??

Look man. Even if you are right, and the prophecies are fulfilled just as you say. We won't have realized it as having happened, because you still haven't explained how you fulfill them.

Please share your story with us, or consider leaving if you do not wish to do so.

But stop stalling. And stop ignoring my inquiries.

Walrus

Our prophets had the decency to explain how they fulfilled prophecy.

You continue to refuse to tell your story.

Why trust the story I don't know (because you won't tell it to me) over the story I know??