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Old 12-27-2015, 08:03 AM   #1
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Qur'an vs Baha'i writings

If the Baha'i writings are from God, and so is the Qur'an, then why doesn't every muslim who reads Baha'i/Babi writings see the same beauty?

I believe that in English the Baha'i writings are very inspirational. I think that their contents are enough proof for myself. I also read about how Baha'u'llah and many others read some of the Bab's writings and could tell they were from God immediately.

But I cannot read arabic, so I cannot appreciate the purported impossible qualities of the Qur'an and compare them to Baha'i writings. What are the veils/barriers that could prevent a muslim, capable of reading arabic, who believes the Qur'an is a proof by its very beauty, from recognizing God's word in our own writings?
 
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Old 12-27-2015, 10:22 AM   #2
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What are the veils/barriers that could prevent a muslim, capable of reading arabic, who believes the Qur'an is a proof by its very beauty, from recognizing God's word in our own writings?
One could easily ask the same question as to why the followers of any religion fail to see the divinity in another.

All the manifestations appear wrapped in clouds and veils, my friend; clouds and veils.

"O My servants! It behoveth you to refresh and revive your souls through the gracious favors which, in this Divine, this soul-stirring Springtime, are being showered upon you. The Day Star of His great glory hath shed its radiance upon you, and the clouds of His limitless grace have overshadowed you. How high the reward of him that hath not deprived himself of so great a bounty, nor failed to recognize the beauty of his Best-Beloved in this, His new attire." -Baha'u'llah
 
Old 12-27-2015, 11:33 AM   #3
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It is God that puts into the heart the breath of faith

There are a couple of writings that suggest this is done at a time when the heart has been made ready for this blessing.

I will post later if no one else finds them first. The first Hidden word is one of the keys.

Possess a Pure Kindly and Radiant Heart! within those words much to be considered.

Regards Tony
 
Old 12-27-2015, 11:52 AM   #4
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I think it's really about recognizing that all these scriptures are from the same Author.
 
Old 12-27-2015, 11:57 AM   #5
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It is God that puts into the heart the breath of faith

There are a couple of writings that suggest this is done at a time when the heart has been made ready for this blessing.
Yes, and Baha'u'llah also indicates that recognition is a blessing for past actions:

"Be thankful to God for having enabled you to recognize His Cause. Whoever has received this blessing must, prior to his acceptance, have performed some deed which though he himself was unaware of its character, was ordained by God as a means whereby he has been guided to find and embrace the Truth. As to those who have remained deprived of such blessing, their acts alone have hindered them from recognising the truth of this Revelation."
(Bahullh, quoted in The Dawnbreakers, p. 586)
 
Old 12-27-2015, 11:59 AM   #6
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I think it's really about recognizing that all these scriptures are from the same Author.
I would agree that Oneness in the heart is a key, but I am not sure what puts us over the edge of beleif.

There are a couple.of.good passages I will look for later, now get to walk to a future Temple Site

Regards Tony
 
Old 12-30-2015, 03:14 AM   #7
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If the Baha'i writings are from God, and so is the Qur'an, then why doesn't every muslim who reads Baha'i/Babi writings see the same beauty?
Because we have the Qur'an
 
Old 12-31-2015, 04:23 AM   #8
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Because we have the Qur'an
Can you read Arabic Niblo?

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Old 12-31-2015, 06:04 AM   #9
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Can you read Arabic Niblo?

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Hi Kam.

I trust you are well and happy.

No. Ive a recording of the entire Quran, recited by Sheikh Abu Bakr Al Shatri. Over the years Ive learned to follow him as he recites (I read the text in English, of course). His recitation is very clear, and I can tell by the pauses - and by certain words - where he is at any given time. Works for me!

My son (a Muslim) is a translator of Classical Arabic. If ever I need a passage of written Arabic translated and explained I send it to him!

Happy New Year, and very best regards,

Paul
 
Old 12-31-2015, 02:55 PM   #10
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Hi Kam.

I trust you are well and happy.

No. Ive a recording of the entire Quran, recited by Sheikh Abu Bakr Al Shatri. Over the years Ive learned to follow him as he recites (I read the text in English, of course). His recitation is very clear, and I can tell by the pauses - and by certain words - where he is at any given time. Works for me!

My son (a Muslim) is a translator of Classical Arabic. If ever I need a passage of written Arabic translated and explained I send it to him!

Happy New Year, and very best regards,

Paul
Paul, salaam alech. If I may be personal for a moment! I've formed the impression that you live in rural Wales. May I ask what your neighbours think of your being a Moslem?In my little backwood I think I'm perceived as an eccentric oddity
 
Old 01-05-2016, 06:52 AM   #11
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Paul, salaam alech. If I may be personal for a moment! I've formed the impression that you live in rural Wales. May I ask what your neighbours think of your being a Moslem?In my little backwood I think I'm perceived as an eccentric oddity
Hello Aidan.

I'm a Valley Boy! My neighbours are very good, but we don't discuss religious (or political) matters. If they think me a wee bit crazy, they keep it well hidden.

Can't imagine why anyone would consider you to be an 'eccentric oddity'

Have a great day, and very best regards,

Paul
 
Old 01-06-2016, 07:02 AM   #12
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Hi Kam.

I trust you are well and happy.

No. Ive a recording of the entire Quran, recited by Sheikh Abu Bakr Al Shatri. Over the years Ive learned to follow him as he recites (I read the text in English, of course). His recitation is very clear, and I can tell by the pauses - and by certain words - where he is at any given time. Works for me!

My son (a Muslim) is a translator of Classical Arabic. If ever I need a passage of written Arabic translated and explained I send it to him!

Happy New Year, and very best regards,

Paul
Thank you Paul

Having someone in the family who can translate really helps!

Happy new year to you too dear friend

Kam
 
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Thank you Paul

Having someone in the family who can translate really helps!

Happy new year to you too dear friend

Kam
Hi Kam,

Many thanks to you.

Yes, it comes in handy. It's also very useful to have a translator I can trust.

For example, when I first starting learning about Islam - especially about the Qur'an, the aHadith, the different schools and the Sufis - I found it hard to distinguish between honest translations (of various texts and books) and dishonest (or biased). Nowadays, I can recognise twaddle.....most of the time! Lessons learned .

By the way, I apply these lessons when reading stuff about the Baha'is; especially negative stuff (there's a wee bit of it about ). My first question is always: 'Can this be true?' My first action is to check it out. Keeps me out of hot water.......most of the time

Have a great week, and very best regards.

Paul
 
Old 01-08-2016, 10:23 PM   #14
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Hi Kam,

Many thanks to you.

Yes, it comes in handy. It's also very useful to have a translator I can trust.

For example, when I first starting learning about Islam - especially about the Qur'an, the aHadith, the different schools and the Sufis - I found it hard to distinguish between honest translations (of various texts and books) and dishonest (or biased). Nowadays, I can recognise twaddle.....most of the time! Lessons learned .

By the way, I apply these lessons when reading stuff about the Baha'is; especially negative stuff (there's a wee bit of it about ). My first question is always: 'Can this be true?' My first action is to check it out. Keeps me out of hot water.......most of the time

Have a great week, and very best regards.

Paul
You have pure, kindly and radiant heart Paul.

It's rare to see that when reading things on forums but it shines through strongly.

God bless you

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Old 01-09-2016, 06:03 AM   #15
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You have pure, kindly and radiant heart Paul.

It's rare to see that when reading things on forums but it shines through strongly.

God bless you

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Hello Kam.

That is so very kind of you. Thank you.

My grandkids believe I'm wonderful.

On the other hand.....they also believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy

God bless you, too, and very best regards,

Paul
 
Old 01-18-2016, 11:32 AM   #16
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Yes, and Baha'u'llah also indicates that recognition is a blessing for past actions:

"Be thankful to God for having enabled you to recognize His Cause. Whoever has received this blessing must, prior to his acceptance, have performed some deed which though he himself was unaware of its character, was ordained by God as a means whereby he has been guided to find and embrace the Truth. As to those who have remained deprived of such blessing, their acts alone have hindered them from recognising the truth of this Revelation."
(Bahullh, quoted in The Dawnbreakers, p. 586)
I am just going to have to read Dawnbreakers again. There is just so much to continually learn. This is a beautiful quote, Josh. And it is a reminder that there will always be things hidden from us. Thank you very much.

Loving Baha'i regards
Becky
 
Old 01-18-2016, 11:48 AM   #17
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I am just going to have to read Dawnbreakers again. There is just so much to continually learn. This is a beautiful quote, Josh. And it is a reminder that there will always be things hidden from us. Thank you very much.

Loving Baha'i regards
Becky
Becky - The Dawnbreakers is a great read, full of strong and powerful stories and a tear or two will be shed

Regards Tony
 
Old 01-18-2016, 02:00 PM   #18
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Yes, and Baha'u'llah also indicates that recognition is a blessing for past actions:

"Be thankful to God for having enabled you to recognize His Cause. Whoever has received this blessing must, prior to his acceptance, have performed some deed which though he himself was unaware of its character, was ordained by God as a means whereby he has been guided to find and embrace the Truth. As to those who have remained deprived of such blessing, their acts alone have hindered them from recognising the truth of this Revelation."
(Bah’u’llh, quoted in The Dawnbreakers, p. 586)
This is a huge revelation from Bahaullah and provides so much material for deepening , with all my heart I love His words here. What's your opinion and understanding of this piece?

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