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Old 10-06-2016, 04:44 AM   #1
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I read this today and found it to be really lovely and true. so I thought I could share it with everyone here,

"Donít judge the way other people connect to God; to each his own way and his own prayer. God does not take us at our word. He looks deep into our hearts. It is not the ceremonies or rituals that make a difference, but whether our hearts are sufficiently pure or not."
~ Shams Tabrizi
 
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Old 10-06-2016, 07:16 AM   #2
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I read this today and found it to be really lovely and true. so I thought I could share it with everyone here,

"Don’t judge the way other people connect to God; to each his own way and his own prayer. God does not take us at our word. He looks deep into our hearts. It is not the ceremonies or rituals that make a difference, but whether our hearts are sufficiently pure or not."
~ Shams Tabrizi
It is true.
I believe having a pure Heart is the requirement.
At the same time, I believe, if a person have a pure Heart, that person will recognize the Manifestations of God. Because the beauti of God is fully Manifested in His Manifestations.

I believe imaginning God, without believeing in Messengers, is just an idol created in imagination, like and idol fancy.
What do you think?

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Old 10-06-2016, 09:19 AM   #3
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I have seen people who had pure heart but were so simple minded and lacked the power of analyzing the matters. like a simple minded, pure hearted person can read Bible and be still unable to find the same truth in Quran.
one thing is that MAYBE if a person has a pure heart, God will then shine the light of Truth in his/her heart, I do not know
but I have seen pure hearted people who had different ideas from those of mine, not because they were evil or corrupt but just because they lacked the ability to analyze the truth as I mentioned earlier.
 
Old 10-06-2016, 09:22 AM   #4
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my first friend ever in life was an eighty year old woman. I grew up meeting her and being with her everyday. from what I could feel as a child, and what I have heard about her I can see how pure hearted she has been. probably one of the angels on earth. her parents were strict Muslims but she had passed beyond many of the extreme ideas of her parents. yet, because of the kind of society she had grew up in (imagine 100 years ago in Iran) she could not yet change her religion to Bahai. I do not know, maybe she had not even heard about it. so I do not think there are any blames on her. she has tried her best, cleaned many of the veils and had a good heart.
 
Old 10-06-2016, 10:40 AM   #5
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I read this today and found it to be really lovely and true. so I thought I could share it with everyone here,

"Donít judge the way other people connect to God; to each his own way and his own prayer. God does not take us at our word. He looks deep into our hearts. It is not the ceremonies or rituals that make a difference, but whether our hearts are sufficiently pure or not."
~ Shams Tabrizi
It's amazing quote
 
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It's amazing quote
yes, it is. thank you
 
Old 10-06-2016, 02:44 PM   #7
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my first friend ever in life was an eighty year old woman. I grew up meeting her and being with her everyday. from what I could feel as a child, and what I have heard about her I can see how pure hearted she has been. probably one of the angels on earth. her parents were strict Muslims but she had passed beyond many of the extreme ideas of her parents. yet, because of the kind of society she had grew up in (imagine 100 years ago in Iran) she could not yet change her religion to Bahai. I do not know, maybe she had not even heard about it. so I do not think there are any blames on her. she has tried her best, cleaned many of the veils and had a good heart.
We are told that a person can be a Baha'i without being aware of it
 
Old 10-07-2016, 03:57 AM   #8
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We are told that a person can be a Baha'i without being aware of it
yes, exactly thank you for reminding me Aidan
 
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I read this today and found it to be really lovely and true. so I thought I could share it with everyone here,

"Donít judge the way other people connect to God; to each his own way and his own prayer. God does not take us at our word. He looks deep into our hearts. It is not the ceremonies or rituals that make a difference, but whether our hearts are sufficiently pure or not."
~ Shams Tabrizi
I read something similar in Coleman Barks' translation of Rumi's "Moses and the Shepard":

Moses heard a shepherd on the road praying,
ďGod,
where are you? I want to help You, to fix Your shoes
and comb your hair. I want to wash Your clothes
and pick the lice off. I want to bring You milk,
to kiss Your little hands and feet when itís time
for You to go to bed. I want to sweep Your room
and keep it neat. God, my sheep and my goats
are Yours. All I can say, remembering You,
is ayyyyyyy and ahhhhhhhh.Ē

Moses could stand it no longer.
ďWho are you talking to?Ē

ďThe one who made us,
and made the earth and made the sky.Ē
ďDonít talk about shoes and socks with God!
And whatís this with Your little hands and feet?
Such blasphemous familiarity sounds like
youíre chatting with your uncles.
Only something that grows needs milk.
Only someone with feet needs shoes. Not God!
Even if you meant Godís human representatives,
as when God said, ĎI was sick, and you did not visit me,í
even then this tone would be foolish and irreverent.

Use appropriate terms. Fatima is a fine name
for a woman, but if you call a man Fatima,
itís an insult. Body-and-birth language
are right for us on this side of the river,
but not for addressing the Origin,
not for Allah.Ē

The shepherd repented and tore his clothes and sighed
and wandered out into the desert.

A sudden revelation
came then to Moses. Godís voice:
You have separated Me
from one of my own. Did you come as a prophet to unite,
or to sever?
I have given each being a separate and unique way
of seeing and knowing and saying that knowledge.
What seems wrong to you is right for him.
What is poison to one is honey to someone else.

Purity and impurity, sloth and diligence in worship,
these mean nothing to Me.
I am apart from all that.
Ways of worshipping are not to be ranked as better
or worse than one another.
Hindus do Hindu things.
The Dravidian Muslims in India do what they do.
Itís all praise, and itís all right.

Itís not Me thatís glorified in acts of worship.
Itís the worshippers! I donít hear the words
They say. I look inside at the humility.
That broken-open lowliness is the Reality,
not the language! Forget phraseology.
I want burning, burning.
Be friends
with your burning. Burn up your thinking
and your forms of expression!
Moses,
those who pay attention to ways of behaving
and speaking are one sort.
Lovers who burn are another.Ē

Donít impose a property tax
on a burned out village. Donít scold the Lover.
The ďwrongĒ way he talks is better than a hundred
ďrightĒ ways of others.
Inside the Kaaba
it doesnít matter which direction you point
your prayer rug!
The ocean diver doesnít need snowshoes!
The Love-Religion has no code or doctrine.
Only God.
So the ruby has nothing engraved on it!
It doesnít need markings.
God began speaking
deeper mysteries to Moses. Vision and words,
which cannot be recorded here, poured into
and through him. He left himself and came back.
He went to eternity and came back here.
Many times this happened.
Itís foolish of me
to try and say this. If I did say it,
it would uproot our human intelligences.
It would shatter all writing pens.

Moses ran after the shepherd.
He followed the bewildered footprints,
in one place moving straight like a castle
across a chessboard. In another, sideways,
like a bishop.
Now surging like a wave cresting,
now sliding down like a fish,
with always his feet
making geomancy symbols in the sand,
recording his wandering state.

Moses finally caught up with him.
ďI was wrong. God has revealed to me
that there are no rules for worship.
Say whatever
and however your loving tells you to. Your sweet blasphemy
is the truest devotion.
Through you a whole world is freed.
Loosen your tongue and donít worry what comes out.
Itís all the light of the Spirit.Ē

The shepherd replied,
ďMoses, Moses,
Iíve gone beyond even that.
You applied the whip and my horse shied and jumped
out of itself. The Divine Nature and my human nature
came together.
Bless your scolding hand and your arm.
I canít say what has happened.
What Iím saying now
is not my real condition. It canít be said.Ē

The shepherd grew quiet.

When you look in a mirror,
you see yourself, not the state of the mirror.
The fluteplayer puts breath into a flute,
and who makes the music? Not the flute.
The Fluteplayer!

Whenever you speak praise
or thanksgiving to God, itís always like this
dear shepherdís simplicity.
When you eventually see
through the veils to how things really are,
you will keep saying again
and again,
ďThis is certainly not like
we thought it was!Ē
 
Old 10-07-2016, 07:45 AM   #10
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Ahanu, this story of the shepherd and Moses is among my most favorite Rumi stories. I really love it. thank you for reminding me about it ....
 
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