|04-09-2017, 07:20 AM||#1|
Joined: Mar 2011
From: In the mountains of Oregon
Dead IN Sin Or Dead TO Sin
To be dead in sin and to be dead to sin, two different things. Both are identity truths. To be dead in sin is to be identified with the first Adam, Adam in rebellion. God chose to accomplish a person being declare righteous for them not by way of improved performance or sinful conduct elimination but by way of new identification. This identification is what Paul is talking about in 2 Corinthians 5:17 and itís what the word Sanctification is all about. A personís old identity is passed away. All things are become new for them because itís a brand new identity they have in the second Adam. This new in the Savior identity is based solely upon your faith in Jesusí faithful accomplishment where he died for your sins. The question is, why should you want to continue dealing with God in your daily life, or supposing that God is dealing with you according to your previous identity in the first Adam when God no longer views you from that standpoint at all? This is our identity reality and Paul wants us to appreciate it.
Understand, this is an issue of vital importance, God told Paul a secret. Unsearchable simply means that which had never been made know, that which could never be search out about Jesus. The idea that Paul was simply taking the same message taught by John, taught by the 12 apostles, taught by Jesus during his earthly ministry, but Paul was taking that message in a different direction, same message, different direction. Something was different with Paul and something began with the apostle Paul. When Paul talks about placing no confidence in the flesh, heís contrasting having Jesusí righteousness freely imputed to the account of the believer with those who suppose that they can merit a righteous standing before God through commitment, through their performance, through their production. Itís only when we come to properly understand God from his perspective concerning ourselves, both before we came to understand Paulís message and then what we are and who we are after we have believed Paulís message and have been joined to Godís son, then we can be capable of viewing others and relating to others accordingly who are also members of the Saviorís body, of his flesh and of his bones. Ministers of righteousness teach the successful Christian life is all about reformed doing and commitments, they teach it wrong according to the apostle Paul. Itís all about transformed thinking. According to our apostle, the battle is taking place between the ears, between fleshy thinking and divine thinking. Godís work in us, not our work for God, major difference.
|04-10-2017, 07:19 PM||#2|
Joined: Feb 2016
From: United States
Since this is clearly a Christian teaching, could this thread be moved to an Interfaith forum? I assume that most people seriously interested in the Baha'i faith would know the difference between Christian and Baha'i teachings, but the original post clearly doesn't belong in Baha'i beliefs anyway. Not that I think the author will be back to discuss things either way...
|04-11-2017, 01:15 AM||#3|
Joined: Jul 2014
From: Blue Planet
you know, there can be a good side to it, knowing that spiritual teachings does not differ from religion to religion, we can find equivalences of this teaching in our own scriptures, and then make peaceful connections. in this way, we act in a friendly manner to all the people from all religions, knowing that we are all defending ONE religion; Religion of God.
of course I understand that you prefer this post to be moved to the interfaith part. yet, if there is no such chance, we can make the best use of what we already have.
(P.S: sorry if my words sounded too pedagogical- that was my personal view only)
|04-11-2017, 03:14 AM||#4|
Joined: Sep 2010
From: Normanton Far North Queensland
Baha'u'llah has many Tablets of Wisdom about sin and asks us to Understand, this is an issue of vital importance. Abdul'baha has explained this subject in great detail from his fathers writings.
All available at bahai.org in the libaray tag at bottom of page.
|04-12-2017, 01:36 AM||#6|
Joined: Sep 2010
From: Normanton Far North Queensland
Much like my meeting with JW's the Other night, a great rehearsed message with programed directed answers not applicable to points made in reply.
Maybe a chat with you Aidan?
This passage was quoted in the JW Meeting in reference to those that are currently ruling in Heaven with Christ getting ready to pick everyone up at the return who are faithful "Revelation 14:1Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads."
They are not favorable to the numerology concept of 144,000 being the number 9 which gives that passage so much meaning.
I see in this passage that it is basically saying that all those that accept Baha (9) while basking in the Glory of Christ (Lamb could also be Bab) will have Baha'u'llah written upon them and Call out O Zion He who is the Promised One is Come and all Nations now flow to and stand upon the Holy Mountain of Carmel.
How you going Aidan, are you well and are you happy? May you always be well and happy!