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Old 12-05-2010, 07:55 AM   #1
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Shi'ite Islam and Catholic Christianity

(I meant to put this in the INTERFAITH forum. If a moderator would be so kind as to move it there, I would be most pleased)

"The Church's relationship with the Muslims: The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

(Catechism of the Catholic Church)


Shi'ism and Catholicism, for all their differences, share a remarkable number of similarities. Indeed I would say that dialogue between Islam and Christianity should happen within the context of Catholic-Shia relations, as it currently is. No other forms of Islam and Christianity are quite so alike. There is an excellent book written on the incredible similiarities between Catholicism and Shi'ism which I highly recommend: Amazon.com: Roman Catholics and Shi'i Muslims: Prayer, Passion, and Politics (9780807826898): James A. Bill: Books Roman Catholics and Shi'i Muslims: Prayer, Passion, and Politics.

You can read parts of this book here: Roman Catholics and Shi'i Muslims ... - Google Books

Here are some notable similarities:

- In both religions the extraordinary is often the ordinary. Compassion and forgiveness triumph over cruelty and vindictiveness when human beings with divine qualities make sacrifices in order to redeem their fellow men and women. Jesus the Messiah and Ali and Husayn, the first and third Imams, faced suffering and death. In so doing, they became powerful role models for other men and women who have tasted the salt of their tears and have worn masks of happiness in the darkest of times.

- The importance of the remembrance of God and of those, like the imams in Shiism and saints in Catholicism, who have suffered and sacrificed in the service of God (veneration of saints, especially of Mary, the Mother of Jesus)

- a profound contemplative and mystical tradition

- notions of infallibility and authority

- -Both Catholicism and Shiism have well-defined clerical hierarchies; Catholicism and Shiism also share respect for the existence of an official clergy

- a strong belief in justice tempered with compassion and a healthy apprehension of the evils of excessive materialism at individual, collective, and global levels. In Catholicism this has led to Liberation Theology.

- high emphasis on rational inquiry into matters of faith

- suffering for the sake of others and for the sake of truth and justice, as exemplified by Christ and Imam Hussein

- belief in the intercession of holy beings

- the central importance of a holy female in both traditions--the blessed Virgin in Catholicism and Fatima Zahra in Shi'a Islam

-The word "fundamentalist" in English is usually (but not always) applied to both extreme Protestants (evangelicals, Pentecostals, "Born Again Christians" like George Bush, etc.) and the Salafis, rather than Catholics and Shiites. Both the Salafis and the extreme Protestants seek to return to how they imagine it was in the earliest days of their religion, while Catholics and Shiites have more respect for the entire scope of their histories and the teachings of many teachers and thinkers down through history.

-Both the Salafis and extreme Protestants use very simple, literal readings of their Holy Texts. The Shiites and the Catholics are apt to take a more complex, broader view that involves ideas about hidden meaning that needs careful interpretation, and so on.

-Both the Salafis and extreme Protestants are very quick to use the label "unbeliever" or "un-saved" for others who think differently than them, while the Shiites and Catholics both seem to be more cautious and thoughtful about making such judgements.

- Belief in the redemptive function of suffering and martyrdom; ideas of *tragic, unjust suffering* of the innocent and pure are more central in Catholicism and Shiism than in Protestantism or Sunism. Some types of Catholicism encourage very emotional enactment of suffering and long contemplation on various types of sorrows and sufferings.

-In official doctrine, the Catholics seem see themselves in a closer kind of relationship with Islam than most Protestant denominations, most of whom completely reject any acknowledged relationship with Islam.

- The Lord's Prayer in Catholicism and the Surah Fata in Shi'ism

There is much, much more. Since Shi'ism is the faith from which the Babi and Baha'i religions sprung, I feel that Shi'i-Catholic similarities should be important for Baha'is, in trying to bring unity of religion.

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Old 12-05-2010, 10:16 AM   #2
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All of Gods true faiths will have things in common with each other, since they are from the same source. The differences they do have are entirely irrelevant, and I would challenge anyone to find sources in either groups central religious texts that disagree in any matter whatsoever - except when discussing laws of course, but its not like Muhammad layed out the 5 pillars, most are sill entirely consistent.

Jesus repeatedly said he was not on the same level as God, often, the Bible states clearly that Jesus was in servitude to God. I honestly don't understand why you insist on comparing branches of Gods religion on a forum that believes they have been told exactly why they differ at all? We are not going to agree most likely, because obviously these things are exactly why you don't accept Baha'u'llah.

Many Baha'is can discuss far more compelling reasons why both Islam and Christianity have veered off course that you simply wouldn't accept at this juncture since you remain Catholic. The only central tenant that is particularly necessary around either Christian or Muslim faiths initially a love for God. If they don't accept other aspects, then we begin to discuss matters away from the scriptures.

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Remember, Yeshua, Baha'is are required to investigate truth on their own, this is such a central tenant of the faith that I am sure few Baha'is aren't well versed in the topic of reaching out to other faiths. For you, it is just an interesting experiment.

I feel like I could be coming across as belittling or something of this nature, let me assure you this isn't my intention. We are even instructed to read both the Bible and Quran to increase our knowledge of the Cause, so many will be intimately familiar with true similarities, but from a Baha'i perspective - through hindsight with help from the apocalypse.

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All of Gods true faiths will have things in common with each other, since they are from the same source. The differences they do have are entirely irrelevant, and I would challenge anyone to find sources in either groups central religious texts that disagree in any matter whatsoever - except when discussing laws of course, but its not like Muhammad layed out the 5 pillars, most are sill entirely consistent.

Jesus repeatedly said he was not on the same level as God, often, the Bible states clearly that Jesus was in servitude to God. I honestly don't understand why you insist on comparing branches of Gods religion on a forum that believes they have been told exactly why they differ at all? We are not going to agree most likely, because obviously these things are exactly why you don't accept Baha'u'llah.

Many Baha'is can discuss far more compelling reasons why both Islam and Christianity have veered off course that you simply wouldn't accept at this juncture since you remain Catholic. The only central tenant that is particularly necessary around either Christian or Muslim faiths initially a love for God. If they don't accept other aspects, then we begin to discuss matters away from the scriptures.
Dear Lunitik

I was merely trying to show the similarity between Catholicism and Shi'ism...since Baha'is believe in the unity of religion I simply thought that this would be of interest. Some striking similarities may even become apparent that other people have not thought about before and it may aid some in promoting 'unity of religion' and interfaith dialogue...my intentions are good...I am merely being ecumenical and respectful to Islam and the features of it I admire and see as being good ground to promote interfaith dialogue....

There is no need to be angry or rude with me....

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Remember, Yeshua, Baha'is are required to investigate truth on their own, this is such a central tenant of the faith that I am sure few Baha'is aren't well versed in the topic of reaching out to other faiths.
Which is exactly why I thought they'd like to see Christians doing the same thing....
 
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There is no need to be angry or rude with me....
I apologize for anything that inferred this in my response, its just that to me, it seems like it'd be more fitting on a Muslim or Christian board.
 
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I apologize for anything that inferred this in my response, its just that to me, it seems like it'd be more fitting on a Muslim or Christian board.
That is a fair and fully understandable opinion I think I misinterpreted you. Maybe you are right.
 
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That is a fair and fully understandable opinion I think I misinterpreted you. Maybe you are right.
I think creating dialog between Christian and Muslim groups is extremely important, so your heart is certainly in the right place. Many Baha'is already consciously try to reach out to both, however. We can understand where either have veered from the true teachings by the very nature of the Cause we have accepted, and as such, our approach will be vastly different from someone coming from the opposite side.

For instance, when talking to a Christian, I might explain where the trinity might have originated. I might acquaint it with a misunderstanding on the part of the disciples or those that attempted to commit events to text as to the nature of each part of the trinity. For instance, the father is clearly God. The holy spirit is reasonably equated to the soul that provides manifestations with prior knowledge, and thus the nature of their perfection. I would also state that the manifestation is the Son, however I would point out that we are all Gods children. The manifestations differ because they have prior knowledge from birth, they are born fully receptive to the holy spirit. Yet, Jesus still said there are things God knows that he does not.

If a Christian didn't accept any point during this discussion, however, it would not be important. Christians still love and worship God, thus we are still brothers of the same Cause, just with differing views on non-important aspects.
 
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For me, teaching the faith is not about converting people, it is about instilling enough curiosity in them to ensure they are receptive enough to allow God to walk them down the same path he guided me. A major lesson in our scriptures is the emphasis on personal investigation of truth. You should not accept Baha'u'llah because someone tells you to, you should accept him because your personal research has made it impossible to deny him. In fact, we are taught that we should not accept ANYONES statements without confirmation.

(Well, with the exception of the holy texts, but even then, I only accept them because of the proofs I have been presented on my path)

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Old 12-07-2010, 01:32 AM   #10
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I have found your postings in this forum about comparative religion very educational, Yeshua, and I look forward to learning more about Shi'ah Islam from you (when you have enough time).

"They (Baha'is) must strive to obtain, from sources that are authoritative and unbiased, a sound knowledge of the history and tenets of Islam -- the source and background of their Faith -- and approach reverently and with a mind purged from preconceived ideas the study of the Qur'án which, apart from the sacred scriptures of the Bábí and Bahá'í Revelations, constitutes the only Book which can be regarded as an absolutely authenticated Repository of the Word of God. They must devote special attention to the investigation of those institutions and circumstances that are directly connected with the origin and birth of their Faith, with the station claimed by its Forerunner, and with the laws revealed by its Author."

(Shoghi Effendi, The Advent of Divine Justice, p. 49)
 
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1666. How to Study the Qur'án

"It is certainly most difficult to thoroughly grasp all the Surihs of the Qur'án, as it requires a detailed knowledge of the social, religious and historical background of Arabia at the time of the appearance of the Prophet. The believers cannot possibly hope, therefore, to understand the Surihs after the first or even second or third reading. They have to study them again and again, ponder over their meaning, with the help of certain commentaries, and explanatory notes as found, for instance in the admirable translation made by Sale, endeavor to acquire as clear and correct understanding of their meaning and import as possible. This is naturally a slow process, but future generations of believers will certainly come to grasp it. For the present, the Guardian agrees, that it would be easier and more helpful to study the book according to subjects, and not verse by verse and also in the light of Báb, Bahá'u'lláh and 'Abdu'l-Bahá's interpretations which throw such floods of light on the Whole of the Qur'án."

(From a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer, August 22, 1939:Bahá'í News, No. 134,pp. 2-3, March 1940)
(Compilations, Lights of Guidance, p. 496)

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I have found your postings in this forum about comparative religion very educational, Yeshua, and I look forward to learning more about Shi'ah Islam from you (when you have enough time).

"They (Baha'is) must strive to obtain, from sources that are authoritative and unbiased, a sound knowledge of the history and tenets of Islam -- the source and background of their Faith -- and approach reverently and with a mind purged from preconceived ideas the study of the Qur'án which, apart from the sacred scriptures of the Bábí and Bahá'í Revelations, constitutes the only Book which can be regarded as an absolutely authenticated Repository of the Word of God. They must devote special attention to the investigation of those institutions and circumstances that are directly connected with the origin and birth of their Faith, with the station claimed by its Forerunner, and with the laws revealed by its Author."

(Shoghi Effendi, The Advent of Divine Justice, p. 49)
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Bible prophecies referring to Muhammad and the 12 Imams:

"References in the Bible to "Mt. Paran" and "Paraclete" refer to Muhammad's Revelation. Deuteronomy 33.2; Genesis 21.21.; Numbers 12.16; Numbers 13.3.; Genesis 17.20 refers to the twelve Imams and in the Revelation of St. John, Chap. 11.; where it mentions two witnesses, it refers to Muhammad and Ali."

(Shoghi Effendi, Letters from the Guardian to Australia and New Zealand, p. 41)


Deuteronomy 33:2: "The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints..." Paran is a mountain in Arabia, and the Paran references are all to Islam; the other Manifestations in this particular prophecy are Moses, Jesus (Seir being a mountain in Galilee), and Bahá'u'lláh, the Lord of Hosts. Habakkuk 3:3 speaks of the "Holy One from mount Paran." Genesis 17:20 says: "And as for Ishmael...Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation." Muhammad descends from Abraham through Ishmael, and the twelve princes are the twelve Imams. Deuteronomy, 18:18 says: "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee (Moses), and will put my words in his mouth..." This could not refer to the Israelites because it says "brethren," not "seed." John 1:19-21 shows that the Jews were expecting three personages: Christ, Elias, and that Prophet like unto Moses: the Jews having asked John the Baptist if he was Christ, he said no; "And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not, Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No." Qur'án 73:15 compares Muhammad to Moses: "Verily we have sent unto you an Apostle to witness against you, even as we sent an Apostle to Pharaoh." I John 4:1-3 says: "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God...." This of course is applicable to Muhammad. Again, Qur'án 61:6 says: "And remember when Jesus the son of Mary said, 'O children of Israel! of a truth I am God's apostle to you to confirm the law which was given before me, and to announce an apostle that shall come after me whose name shall be Ahmad!'" The Muslims read the Paraclete, John 16:7, 14:16, 14:26, and 15:26 (also I John 2:1) as the Periclyte, or Illustrious, which is the meaning of Ahmad.[1] Muhammad said, in an indubitable hadith: "I have five names: I am Muhammad; and Ahmad; and Effacing, by means of which God effaces infidelity; and Gatherer, who will gather people; and Final, that is to say, the last of the Prophets." ('Ali Tabari, op. cit., 42).
[1. See Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, s.v. Paraclete the word has been translated Comforter in the Gospel, Advocate in the Epistle.]

(Marzieh Gail, Six Lessons on Islam, p. 23)
 
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I have resurrected this thread from 2010, because I wanted to add three quotes to it from three holy Popes - a Blessed, a Saint and a Servant of God - two from recent times and one from a thousand years ago on Islam:


"...Christians and Muslims, we have many things in common, as believers and as human beings. We live in the same world, marked by many signs of hope, but also by multiple signs of anguish. For us, Abraham is a very model of faith in God, of submission to his will and of confidence in his goodness. We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection...The Catholic Church regards with respect and recognizes the equality of your religious progress, the richness of your spiritual tradition...On this path, you are assured, of the esteem and the collaboration of your Catholic brothers and sisters whom I represent among you this evening..."

- Blessed Pope John Paul II: Address to young Muslims in Casablanca, 1985




"...This good action was inspired in your heart by God, the Creator of all things, without whom we can neither do nor think any good thing. He who enlightens all men coming into this world (John 1.9) has enlightened your mind for this purpose. Almighty God, who wishes that all should be saved and none lost, approves nothing in so much as that after loving Him one should love his fellow man, and that one should not do to others, what one does not want done to oneself. This affection we and you owe to each other in a more peculiar way than to people of other races because we worship and confess the same God though in diverse forms and daily praise and adore Him as the creator and ruler of this world. For, in the words of the Apostle, 'He is our peace who hath made both one.' This good action was inspired in your heart by God....This grace granted to you by God is admired and praised by many of the Roman nobility who have learned from us of your benevolence and high qualities [. . .] For God knows that we love you purely for His honour and that we desire your salvation and glory, both in this life and in the life to come. And we pray in our hearts and with our lips that God may lead you to the abode of happiness, to the bosom of the holy patriarch Abraham, after long years of life here on earth..."


- Pope St. Gregory VII, Letter XXI to Al-Nasir the Muslim Ruler of Bijaya (Algeria), 1076



Of the above Pope John Paul II said in 1990:


"...I close my greeting to you with the words of one of my predecessors, Pope Gregory VII who in 1076 wrote to Al-Nasir, the Muslim Ruler of Bijaya, present day Algeria...These words, written almost a thousand years ago, express my feelings to you today as you celebrate ‘Id al-Fitr, the Feast of the Breaking of the Fast. May the Most High God fill us with all His merciful love and peace..."

- Blessed Pope John Paul II, Message to the faithful of Islam at the end of the month of Ramadan, April 3, 1991



"...Now [we refer] to the adorers of God according to the conception of monotheism, the Muslim religion especially, deserving of our admiration for all that is true and good in their worship of God..."

- Servant of God Pope Paul VI, Ecclesiam Suam 107, August 6, 1964


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Old 02-05-2012, 05:14 PM   #15
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Yeshua,

May I suggest that you share these posts on a Christian forum such as

Catholic Answers Forums

and

Christian Forums - Where Christian Community Meets Faith

 
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Perhaps this is indeed most suitable for Christian and Muslim forums. I do think, however, that this topic has a valuable place in the interfaith part of the forum.

I can, of course, only speak for myself. I remember reading the Gospels for the first time and recognizing several concepts known to me by Bahá'í Scripture and thereby understanding Christian Scripture better. At the same time my understanding of Bahá'u'lláh's Message increased. So it was a vice versa experience. I feel that comparing Shiite Islam with Catholic Christianity can in this sense also be valuable to understand the truth underlying all religions.
 
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Well this is the interfaith section. So I dont see any problem. Isnt that what the interfaith section was made for?
I think we should not tell him off.
Its not as if people are coming in droves to post on this forum.
 
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The reason I suggest to Yeshua to share the information on a Christian forum is I believe most imperative as many on these forums equate Islam with evil..so it would serve them and perhaps encourage a broader perspective on Islam..but this is up to Yeshua to decide of course what he wishes to do as a Christian.

Being a Christian himself his sharing there would have greater weight on these forums....

and it is only a suggestion...

so how about it Yeshua?

Whaddiya say?

Apropos the thread the following article may also be of some interest:

http://ahlulbaytdawah.blogspot.com/2...istianity.html

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I've decided that I will post a little something that I posted on CAF:


"...Do not think you are going to a country of heathens [or "among infidels"]. Muslims attain to salvation. The ways of God are infinite...”

- Pope Pius XI, 1934 (L'Ultima, Florence, Anno VIII)




Pope Pius XI said the above to Cardinal Facchinetti whom he had just appointed to be the apostolic delegate to Libya, an Islamic nation.


These somewhat astounding words were only made public in 1954 and again in the 70s, when Martin lings quoted it and the source in one of his books on Sufism.


I thought that this was very interesting words for a Pope to say prior to Vatican II.

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1666. How to Study the Qur'án

"It is certainly most difficult to thoroughly grasp all the Surihs of the Qur'án, as it requires a detailed knowledge of the social, religious and historical background of Arabia at the time of the appearance of the Prophet. The believers cannot possibly hope, therefore, to understand the Surihs after the first or even second or third reading. They have to study them again and again, ponder over their meaning, with the help of certain commentaries, and explanatory notes as found, for instance in the admirable translation made by Sale, endeavor to acquire as clear and correct understanding of their meaning and import as possible. This is naturally a slow process, but future generations of believers will certainly come to grasp it. For the present, the Guardian agrees, that it would be easier and more helpful to study the book according to subjects, and not verse by verse and also in the light of Báb, Bahá'u'lláh and 'Abdu'l-Bahá's interpretations which throw such floods of light on the Whole of the Qur'án."

(From a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer, August 22, 1939:Bahá'í News, No. 134,pp. 2-3, March 1940)
(Compilations, Lights of Guidance, p. 496)
Clear thought and sound mindset of understanding....
God bless u BWS and Yeshua..
liked your discussion.
 
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Perhaps this is indeed most suitable for Christian and Muslim forums. I do think, however, that this topic has a valuable place in the interfaith part of the forum.

I can, of course, only speak for myself. I remember reading the Gospels for the first time and recognizing several concepts known to me by Bahá'í Scripture and thereby understanding Christian Scripture better. At the same time my understanding of Bahá'u'lláh's Message increased. So it was a vice versa experience. I feel that comparing Shiite Islam with Catholic Christianity can in this sense also be valuable to understand the truth underlying all religions.
Fair thinking.
 
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Perhaps this is indeed most suitable for Christian and Muslim forums. I do think, however, that this topic has a valuable place in the interfaith part of the forum.

I can, of course, only speak for myself. I remember reading the Gospels for the first time and recognizing several concepts known to me by Bahá'í Scripture and thereby understanding Christian Scripture better. At the same time my understanding of Bahá'u'lláh's Message increased. So it was a vice versa experience. I feel that comparing Shiite Islam with Catholic Christianity can in this sense also be valuable to understand the truth underlying all religions.
I also agree, this heading is for interfaith.
I can understand if Arthra means that Yeshua shares what he has posted here with Christian forums as well. But remove it or only post this information in A Christian forum I trust this is not what he meant, for it would be wrong.

But thank you Yashua this is for interfaith and it is wonderful to look at our similarities for they hopefully will quell bias and unite us.
And yes there will be differences but we are to respect each other and not fight about these differences.

I would be happy to see others like Yashua participate with respect and kindness as he does.
 
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It is interesting to read this because I myself have often seen the remarkable similarities between Shia Islam and Catholic Christianity.

The thing is that it is not very likely to play a big role in faith relationships because in my experience Shia Muslims see the association with Catholicism as a negative thing. For example they like to point how the Shia clerics are very different than the Catholic priests.

So I think that you are right but I still wonder whether it will have any real effects in terms of dialogue.
 
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Dear Yeshua,
This is a beautiful observation that you've made. God, no doubt is mysterious and his ways are unknown. God loves all of us as a father loves his children. Like Bahaullah said, "The Father is come....." Perhaps, God willing, more observations like this along with Love in Gods own time will tear down the walls of enmity between muslim and christian and unite people in extinguishing the fires of hate and violence from extremists of any kind.
There is no sweeter name than "Yeshua", for it means God saves. And the day is coming when God will save us through all of his messengers.
 
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Dear Yeshua,
This is a beautiful observation that you've made. God, no doubt is mysterious and his ways are unknown. God loves all of us as a father loves his children. Like Bahaullah said, "The Father is come....." Perhaps, God willing, more observations like this along with Love in Gods own time will tear down the walls of enmity between muslim and christian and unite people in extinguishing the fires of hate and violence from extremists of any kind.
There is no sweeter name than "Yeshua", for it means God saves. And the day is coming when God will save us through all of his messengers.
Dear Traveler

This is an old thread that has been re-started, and dear Yeshua has been away from the forum for a while, although we all trust that he will return when he is not so busy.

And I, as I am sure all spiritual God loving souls would agree with your words, we pray daily for the uniting of the peoples of the world in love and brotherhood.

Loving regards to you
 
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Dear Traveler

This is an old thread that has been re-started, and dear Yeshua has been away from the forum for a while, although we all trust that he will return when he is not so busy.

And I, as I am sure all spiritual God loving souls would agree with your words, we pray daily for the uniting of the peoples of the world in love and brotherhood.

Loving regards to you
Sometimes I feel that faith unites but religion divides. When I was a child, I remember my late beloved mom commenting on the latest act of terrorism, "too much religion but not enough Christianity". It's only in hindsight that I realise how very wise and forward thinking she was. It was rare for a Catholic to talk about Christianity, it was always Catholics v others
 
Old 04-29-2014, 04:29 PM   #27
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Sometimes I feel that faith unites but religion divides. When I was a child, I remember my late beloved mom commenting on the latest act of terrorism, "too much religion but not enough Christianity". It's only in hindsight that I realise how very wise and forward thinking she was. It was rare for a Catholic to talk about Christianity, it was always Catholics v others
You were fortunate to have a wise mother, for me it was a wise grandmother, who lived the Christian life, to such a degree that people of all social classes and religions showed her great respect and love.

This idea of a them and an us, has fueled more hatred and wars than we can count.

Are we not as followers of whatever faith not obligated to follow the teachings of the founder of that faith.
I have been astonished by Catholics who tell me that their tradition is more important, than what is written in the Bible

We have to realize that we are all God's children and learn to behave ourselves and stop childish squabbling.

We humans are such weak spiritual beings.
 
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We have to realize that we are all God's children and learn to behave ourselves and stop childish squabbling.


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