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Old 08-14-2015, 11:18 AM   #41
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Dear Tony I've always been aware of how active the Spirit is in less affluent countries. I firmly believe that this is because people are not distracted by worldliness
Dear Aidan - It is something quite special to witness, especially after coming from the supposed Lucky Country

We out lucked ourselves in the West, to where we think we no longer need what is actually important!

In Honiara, these bad influences are here, Honiara a City in need of urgent help, but there are wonderful Souls here that do a lot to assist with the required change. God bless them all, the core activities multiplying rapidly now.

God bless you and all and regards Tony
 
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Old 08-14-2015, 05:40 PM   #42
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Thanks Dale will watch how it progresses.

We had a great extension teaching night on the educational process. A few very keen to start and some wanting to become Bahais. Tomorrow they want the presentation again and they will bring a lot more along!

The children, a dozen or so sang songs and said prayers, all friends of the Faith. Such capacity here in the Solomon Islands!

God bless all teaching Regards Tony
Tony,
The first comment appeared, with the expected challenges... "What about this? What about that??"

I do not know whether the conversation should be posted here, but if there is interest, or anyone can make suggestions to add to any of this particular Forum, well, here's my post:

Hello,
I'm not sure what the "upanddown" is about, and briefly, the Bab was executed in 1850, exhorting His followers to prepare for the soon coming of "Him Whom God wil make manifest."
It was while imprisoned for four months in the Siyah Chal, Black Pit, in October of 1852, that Baha'u'llah had the vision of the Maid of Heaven.

"Whilst engulfed in tribulations I heard a most wondrous, a most sweet voice, calling above My head. Turning My face, I beheld a Maiden - the embodiment of the Remembrance of My Lord - suspended in the air before Me.
So rejoiced was she in her very soul that her countenance shone with the ornament of the good-pleasure of God, and her cheeks glowed with the brightness of the All-Merciful. Betwixt earth and heaven she was raising a call which captivated the hearts and minds of men. She was imparting to both My inward and outward being tidings which rejoiced My soul, and the souls of God's honored servants.
Pointing with her finger to My head, she addressed all who are in Heaven and all who are on earth, saying: "By God! This is the Best-Beloved of the worlds, and yet ye comprehend not. This is the Beauty of God amongst you, and the power of His sovereignty within you, could ye but understand."

... for Moses, it was the Voice coming from the Burning Bush. For Jesus, the descent of the Dove. For Muhammad, the Angel Gabriel (Who spoke to Daniel).

. In each case, these self-proclaimed Prophets of God were opposed by the adherents of the religion of the masses. Not until the religion is well-established and generally free from persecution do others appear to follow, and cease mere echoing of their leader's determination.

Thus, we are challenged. We may cite this or that, according to the traditions we have inherited, whilst opposing the very Sun or Revelation we await, appearing on the Horizon of Eternity, bidding us enter the Kingdom of God.

With physical eyes looking up, we do not see Him as He is. He does not perform the magic we expect, as we deny and protest, flinging our arguments like rocks in His face - the Face God has created as a reflection of Himself.

We may well overlook some prophecies for others, such as you state, while not following others which clearly point us in the right direction, such as in the 49th chapter of Jeremiah, who warns us:

"I will bring against Elam (Persia) the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them to the four winds. And there will be no nations whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come... and I will set My throne in Elam, and destroy the king and the princes"

So we must ask ourselves: Who will sit upon this throne, in Elam, and what is this turmoil which started in Persia over 170 years ago, and why does it persist yet today? Why did Daniel's vision occur there, and what is the evidence involved in the claims of the Bab and Baha'u'llah?

Is it we who are being tested, even as souls were tested previously? And why did Peter, a mere fisherman, recognize Him whom the Pharisees did not?

And again, is it mere coincidence that the year 1260 AH is 1844 AD?
Yes. we must wonder... Has He come as a Thief in the Night???
 
Old 08-14-2015, 05:44 PM   #43
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Dale - the reply to me is appropriate, I will watch with interest but let your heart take the direction of the thread.

May join in at some time for fellowship

P/S I think it May be an attempt of sarcasm by saying "Up Hill and Down dale" to which definitions are;

Definition of up hill and down dale in English:
All over the place: (he led me up hill and down dale till my feet were dropping off)

up hill and down dale - definition of up hill and down dale in English from the Oxford dictionary

Definitions: strenuously and persistently

Definition of “up hill and down dale” | Collins English Dictionary


Regards Tony

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Adventist Forum 1260 = 1844 Dialogue in Progress

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Dear Tony I've always been aware of how active the Spirit is in less affluent countries. I firmly believe that this is because people are not distracted by worldliness
Dear fellow Baha'i teachers,
Having just subscribed to the 7th Day Adventist Forum, introductory posts ar already in their forum link below.

Should anyone wish to enter into careful, thoughtful, considerate dialogues with tact and wisdom, the link follows: Please be very thought full before posting. Much groundwork has been laid.

Tony and I are carefully assessing response, ignoring trouble makers, and concertedly directing entrants to Keep to the Topic, and not wander. This is a challenge.

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/...8DC0VBTV8L24V2

Look for the topic 1260 AH = 1844 AD = 1

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Dale, the link didn't work. Is the address correct?
 
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Dale, the link didn't work. Is the address correct?
OK The link below should work. Something didn't transfer earlier.

What you will find thus far are a couple of nut cases (Google ALF for background on "Lay") and one or two people we can talk with on some level. The thread was begun on Friday and will hopefully gather more participants as time goes by

Thanks for the interest. We need a team effort there. Tony is adding his thoughts

Allah u Abha


http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/...8DC0VBTV8L24V2

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Old 08-26-2015, 12:27 AM   #47
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Dear fellow Baha'i teachers,
Having just subscribed to the 7th Day Adventist Forum, my introductory post is in their forum link below.
Should anyone wish to enter into careful, thoughtful, considerate dialogues with tact and wisdom, the link follows:

1260 AH = 1844 AD = 1 BE - Discussion on Topix

Look for the topic 1260 AH = 1844 AD = 1
Dear Dale - Please forgive me, but it just needed the verbal drool made out as it was, dribble

Anyway, after reading hope you are not too upset! Not sure if we will find a Rose over there I know the thorns come out with some of those very disrespectful answers

God Bless and Regards Tony
 
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Dear Dale - Please forgive me, but it just needed the verbal drool made out as it was, dribble

Anyway, after reading hope you are not too upset! Not sure if we will find a Rose over there I know the thorns come out with some of those very disrespectful answers

God Bless and Regards Tony
Baha'u'llah says:

"They are in hell, and know it not."

This is the Day of Judgement. The Day of God. Let them choose the path to their Lord.

We hear the foul words of those are smoldering in the fire of torment, cursing God, turning away from all the Messengers of the past, from all eternity to all eternity.

These are the sounds they utter. Nothing but hate proceeds from them their lips and their hands.

Others see the contrast between them and those who turn towards Baha'u'llah. It is for them we speak the words of Baha'u'llah.

Ya Baha'ul'Abha

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There is So much guidence in this Tablet of Baha'u'llah

"Say: O people, cause no corruption in the earth and dispute not with men; for verily this is not worthy of those who have chosen in the shelter of their Lord a station which shall indeed remain secure.

If ye find one athirst, give him to drink from the Chalice of Kawtha and Tasneen; and if ye find one endowed with an attentive ear, read unto him the verses of God, the Mighty, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Unloose the tongue with excellent utterance, then admonish the people if ye find them advancing unto the sanctuary of God, otherwise abandon them unto themselves and forsake them in the abyss of hell. Beware lest ye scatter the pearls of Inner Significance before every barren, dumb one. Verily the blind are deprived of witnessing the Lights and are unable to distinguish between the stone and the holy, precious pearl.

Verily, wert thou to read the most mighty, wonderful verses to the stone for a thousand years, will it understand, or will they take any effect therein? No! by thy Lord the Merciful, the Clement! If thou readest all the verses of God unto the deaf, will he hear a single letter? No! Verily by the Beauty, the Mighty, the Ancient!

Thus have we delivered unto thee some of the jewels of Wisdom and Utterance, in order that thou mayest gaze unto the direction of thy Lord and be severed from all the creatures. May the Spirit and Glory rest upon thee, and upon those who dwell upon the plain of holiness and who remain in the cause of their Lord in manifest steadfastness!"

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Old 08-27-2015, 10:42 AM   #50
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There is So much guidence in this Tablet of Baha'u'llah

"Say: O people, cause no corruption in the earth and dispute not with men; for verily this is not worthy of those who have chosen in the shelter of their Lord a station which shall indeed remain secure.

If ye find one athirst, give him to drink from the Chalice of Kawtha and Tasneen; and if ye find one endowed with an attentive ear, read unto him the verses of God, the Mighty, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Unloose the tongue with excellent utterance, then admonish the people if ye find them advancing unto the sanctuary of God, otherwise abandon them unto themselves and forsake them in the abyss of hell. Beware lest ye scatter the pearls of Inner Significance before every barren, dumb one. Verily the blind are deprived of witnessing the Lights and are unable to distinguish between the stone and the holy, precious pearl.

Verily, wert thou to read the most mighty, wonderful verses to the stone for a thousand years, will it understand, or will they take any effect therein? No! by thy Lord the Merciful, the Clement! If thou readest all the verses of God unto the deaf, will he hear a single letter? No! Verily by the Beauty, the Mighty, the Ancient!

Thus have we delivered unto thee some of the jewels of Wisdom and Utterance, in order that thou mayest gaze unto the direction of thy Lord and be served from all the creatures. May the Spirit and Glory rest upon thee, and upon those who dwell upon the plain of holiness and who remain in the cause of their Lord in manifest steadfastness!"
There indeed is

It is wonderful advice.

Our lot is determining how and when it is time to let go!

Regards Tony
 
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Unloose the tongue with excellent utterance, then admonish the people if ye find them advancing unto the sanctuary of God, otherwise abandon them unto themselves and forsake them in the abyss of hell. Beware lest ye scatter the pearls of Inner Significance before every barren, dumb one. Verily the blind are deprived of witnessing the Lights and are unable to distinguish between the stone and the holy, precious pearl.

Verily, wert thou to read the most mighty, wonderful verses to the stone for a thousand years, will it understand, or will they take any effect therein? No! by thy Lord the Merciful, the Clement! If thou readest all the verses of God unto the deaf, will he hear a single letter? No! Verily by the Beauty, the Mighty, the Ancient!

Thus have we delivered unto thee some of the jewels of Wisdom and Utterance, in order that thou mayest gaze unto the direction of thy Lord and be severed from all the creatures. May the Spirit and Glory rest upon thee, and upon those who dwell upon the plain of holiness and who remain in the cause of their Lord in manifest steadfastness!"
The moderators of the SDA forum have been very helpful and accomodating thus far, removing the vicious posts of a few when abuse is apparent, yet allowing the dialogue to go on. These folks who have been schooled in Adventist beliefs are generally devout and sincere, and it is to them that we address our posts.

Let me share the latest:

Let us examine Jeremiah further, Chapter 49:35...

. "Thus saith the Lord of Hosts: Behold I will break the bow of Elam (Persia), and the chief of their might. And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and
.. "there shall be no nation whither the "outcasts" of Elam shall not come."

. vs 38 "For I will cause Elam (Persia) to be dismayed before her enemies, and before them that seek their life... "And I will set "My Throne" in Elam", and will destroy from thence the king (Shah) and the princes, saith the Lord"

Question: Did not Daniel have his great vision also in Elam?

Daniel 8:2

. "And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass when I saw, that I was in Shushan, at the palace, in the province of Elam and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river Elai...

Daniel 8:13

. "Then I heard one Saint speaking, and another...'How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation... Unto two thousand three hundred days (years), Then shall the sancturary be cleansed..."

. All Adventists regard this to be 1844. Is this not true?

. What is not recognized, however, is the significance of the year 1260. This has been overlooked, I am afraid. For the year 1260 AH of the Muslim calendar is the very year 1844. Is this not interesting? It needs to be verified independently, then pondered awhile.

. For although in the west there is tremendous hatred for Islam, because of what it has become, and the associations of terrorism and the like, this is equal to the sins of the Papacy, and the bad name it gave to Christianity for some centuries.

. Daniel Chapter 12

. "But thou, O Daniel, seal up the words, and the book, even to the time of the end... and the Man clothed in Linen sware by Him that liveth forever and ever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half" That is, for 1260 years.

. So we must examine this figure of 1260 years, and do so not according to traditions of interpretations given us only, but in light of history, which includes the appearance of Islam in our midst. Its presence cannot be discounted easily, when examining prophecies which were sealed, even to Daniel, how much moreso to us!!

. It is essential to wonder why the fanatic Muslims are persecution the Baha'is since 1844, killing over 20,000 of them, still killing, torturing, destroying their cemeteries, depriving them of jobs and education, and casting them out to all nations. For never until this time have their been "outcasts of Elam" scattered unto all nations.
 
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Revelaltion:

11:11And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
11:12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
11:13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
11:14The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
11:15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

From the above verses, it is obvious, the end of period of 1260 years (after 3 and half days in rev 11:11), is the End time, for it says, the Two Witnessed are resurrected, and then Christ returns.

Thus, as the end of 2300 Years period is related to the Time of End according to danial, likewise the end of 1260 years is Related to the Time of the End.

Now if 2300 years, ended in 1844, likewise, 1260 days must have ended in the same year.
 
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Revelaltion:

11:11And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
11:12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
11:13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
11:14The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
11:15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

From the above verses, it is obvious, the end of period of 1260 years (after 3 and half days in rev 11:11), is the End time, for it says, the Two Witnessed are resurrected, and then Christ returns.

Thus, as the end of 2300 Years period is related to the Time of End according to danial, likewise the end of 1260 years is Related to the Time of the End.

Now if 2300 years, ended in 1844, likewise, 1260 days must have ended in the same year.
Thanks for posting the above on the SDA Forum. Unfortuneately, all of this seems to go over their totally indoctrinated heads, in which the cement has hardened. It is really their problem.

What I was hoping for, and thus far there is no evidence for, is a "live one", whose cement has not hardened, who still has enough individuality left to break lock-step and venture out onto another path, other than the one inherited and strictly adhered to. Thats ok, too. Its a sifting process.

Baha'u'llah says to "Leave them to themselves."

But He also says: "Make mention of Me on My earth", so we do that, but with detachment, right? And thats our test. To be detached from yay or nay.

On a lighter note. My good Filipino Baha'i friend Jon and I went to a Pentacostal church nearby, at the invitation of an old gentleman of Mexican descent. After an hour's devotion, we spent two more hours with him, his son, and another gentleman. This is the first they had heard of the Baha'i Faith, and genuinely wanted to know what our belief is and how we see the Bible.

Of course this is a huge subject for Baha'is to cover satisfactorily in such a short amount of time, and we agreed to come back next week and focus on a single topic. That of Jesus' words: "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one cometh to the Father but by Me." I asked also that we include the verse: "Before Abraham was, I am."

They wanted to be able to prepare for this subject, and as they are sincere, we have something to work with, though our explanation will not confine this identity solely to the appearance and person of Jesus, but rather the Manifestation.

Any pointers from anyone would be welcome. (And prayers...)

Allah'u'Abha
 
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Jesus' appearance changed as told by the Gospel account of His Transfiguration. His appearance changed again with the manifestations of Mohammad and Bahaullah. Imparting this knowledge may help your friends Dale when next you meet
 
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Jesus' appearance changed as told by the Gospel account of His Transfiguration. His appearance changed again with the manifestations of Mohammad and Bahaullah. Imparting this knowledge may help your friends Dale when next you meet
Very interesting Aiden. Great point

Add this to
Before Abraham was, I am...
Then appearing in the garb of Jesus
Transfigured...
Again as Muhammad
He is more than the human He appears to us as...

And Baha'u'llah says

In this, His new attire...
 
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What I was hoping for, and thus far there is no evidence for, is a "live one", whose cement has not hardened, who still has enough individuality left to break lock-step and venture out onto another path, other than the one inherited and strictly adhered to.
I agree with your characterization, and that seems to fit with what Baha'u'llah wrote in the Iqan. I think that most people like that are not usually fervent believers in some existing creed or faith. They are usually already looking for something more, and are open to hearing about Baha'u'llah.

With the people who already are solidly wedded to another religious belief, I usually try to share the Baha'i principles - namely the universality of God. If I can open their minds just a bit to the possibility that those of other faiths and beliefs are in touch with God too, I think I've helped spread the message of Baha'u'llah in a different way.

There is a great deal of openness now among religious people for a more inclusive understanding. They are usually very sensitive to the feeling that someone is trying to convert them, but hunger for evidence that God is too big to be contained within exclusivist dogmas.
 
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My question is about this prophecy:

" And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

What relation is there between 'the daily shall be take away and abomination that maketh desolate setu' and 'the Public declaration of Muhammad'?

Any thoughts, or references from the Writings?

My initial thought is this:

'Daily be taken away', signifies that the Old Religious Laws would be abrogated.
Since Muhammad had a new Revelation, that abrogated the Previous Laws.
When He declared this, 'Abomination' appeared. Abomination means 'Hate'. And its relation is that when His declaration caused Hatred, since it was against the desire of the people of Hist time, that a Man appears to take away their Old religious customes.
But what is 'Desolate' mean here? How would abomination cause desolate?
 
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My question is about this prophecy:

" And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

What relation is there between 'the daily shall be take away and abomination that maketh desolate setu' and 'the Public declaration of Muhammad'?

Any thoughts, or references from the Writings?

My initial thought is this:

'Daily be taken away', signifies that the Old Religious Laws would be abrogated.
Since Muhammad had a new Revelation, that abrogated the Previous Laws.
When He declared this, 'Abomination' appeared. Abomination means 'Hate'. And its relation is that when His declaration caused Hatred, since it was against the desire of the people of Hist time, that a Man appears to take away their Old religious customes.
But what is 'Desolate' mean here? How would abomination cause desolate?
My thought would be new message lays waste to all preconceived ideas. Thus a desert created to which the new Word will plant, water and make Flourish.

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Several of the Baha'is here got together after consulting about an idea for a T-shirt and we actually followed through on this one.
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We created a really awesome conversation starter, ordering 12 t-shirts, which arrived two days ago. White lettering on black, that says:

1260 AH = 1844 AD
. . = ONE BE

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I wanted to paste the image here but can't seem to figure out how to do this.
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Anyway. I gave it a test run last night, wearing mine at the local Farmers Market and had good conversations with three people who were curious what the numbers meant.

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if anybody wants to tell me how to transfer a photo I would like to do that, but need some assistance
 
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Several of the Baha'is here got together after consulting about an idea for a T-shirt and we actually followed through on this one.
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We created a really awesome conversation starter, ordering 12 t-shirts, which arrived two days ago. White lettering on black, that says:

1260 AH = 1844 AD
. . = ONE BE

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I wanted to paste the image here but can't seem to figure out how to do this.
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Anyway. I gave it a test run last night, wearing mine at the local Farmers Market and had good conversations with three people who were curious what the numbers meant.

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if anybody wants to tell me how to transfer a photo I would like to do that, but need some assistance
Dale - You have to upload the photo to a net based photo storage site and then use the insert image option to post the photo.

Well done, Would be good to order some of your shirts if you can post

Not getting a lot of fragrances from the Roses at SDA at this time

God Bless and Regards Tony
 
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Several of the Baha'is here got together after consulting about an idea for a T-shirt and we actually followed through on this one.
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We created a really awesome conversation starter, ordering 12 t-shirts, which arrived two days ago. White lettering on black, that says:

1260 AH = 1844 AD
. . = ONE BE

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I wanted to paste the image here but can't seem to figure out how to do this.
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Anyway. I gave it a test run last night, wearing mine at the local Farmers Market and had good conversations with three people who were curious what the numbers meant.

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if anybody wants to tell me how to transfer a photo I would like to do that, but need some assistance
I use Photobucket





Top one is using image, 2nd one was using direct and last one email & img options from Photobucket site, one used to post the image on the page, so forgotten how to do that?

Regards Tony

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I use Photobucket







Top one is using image, 2nd one was using direct and last one email & img options from Photobucket site, one used to post the image on the page, so forgotten how to do that?

Regards Tony

Tony
I posted it on Facebook and sent it out you also. Can you transfer it to here?
 
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1260AH = 1844AD = 1BE Tee Shirt

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Tony
I posted it on Facebook and sent it out you also. Can you transfer it to here?

Dale - Found I have to allow it in my edit Options



Regards Tony

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Old 09-21-2015, 10:01 PM   #64
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Important message

Friends,
We have been alloted our own thread on the SDA FORUM which allows us, me currently, to moderate the dialogue and delete offensive posts, which were plaguing and derailing the thread to the detriment of its stated intention.
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.The New Bahai inspired thread has changed the order of the numbers to
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1844 AD = 1260 AH = ONE BE
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Please feel free to participate in an atmosphere conducive to serious dialogue focused upon the significance of the three calendars.
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Visit SDA Forum and register. Then prayerfully share your comments.

Allah'u'Abha

PS. If I can transfer the link to the new moderated thread I will Edit it in here

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/...1260-ah-one-be

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Old 10-03-2015, 10:45 PM   #65
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T'shirt teaching

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Dale - Found I have to allow it in my edit Options



Regards Tony
Dear friends
. I must share with you the events of the day. My Filipino teaching partner went to a lecture at Loma Linda University given by two PhDs, one a cosmological physicist talking about Einstein and Faith. The other an Adventist PhD of physics and a former professor there.
Fascinating afternoon.
.
. I wore my new Bahai T-shirt. ..
1260 AD = 1844 AD
. . . = ONE BE
.
.
It worked like magic, atracting the interest of 5 different people in three conversations with people from Japan, Zimbabwe, and several African American Adventists, students, etc. Two of the conversations were in depth.
.
. People see the formula and because they don't know what it means, are compelled by their own curiosity to ask what it means. Its a teaching magnet, opening doors to explain the three calendars being one year.
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.So we mention that the first is the Islamic calender, the second one is the Christian Calendar, the third is the Bahai calendar. ..

. "What's Bahai?"

Ya Baha'ul'Abha!!!

It works like magic
 
Old 10-03-2015, 10:57 PM   #66
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Dear friends
. I must share with you the events of the day. My Filipino teaching partner went to a lecture at Loma Linda University given by two PhDs, one a cosmological physicist talking about Einstein and Faith. The other an Adventist PhD of physics and a former professor there.
Fascinating afternoon.
.
. I wore my new Bahai T-shirt. ..
1260 AD = 1844 AD
. . . = ONE BE
.
.
It worked like magic, atracting the interest of 5 different people in three conversations with people from Japan, Zimbabwe, and several African American Adventists, students, etc. Two of the conversations were in depth.
.
. People see the formula and because they don't know what it means, are compelled by their own curiosity to ask what it means. Its a teaching magnet, opening doors to explain the three calendars being one year.
.
.So we mention that the first is the Islamic calender, the second one is the Christian Calendar, the third is the Bahai calendar. ..

. "What's Bahai?"

Ya Baha'ul'Abha!!!

It works like magic
Dale - Great when a thought turns to a plan then action then results.

The Bounty of this now given and apparent! Well done, If you have not got copyright may I get some printed over here?

God bless and regards Tony
 
Old 10-03-2015, 11:13 PM   #67
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No copyright needed

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Dale - Great when a thought turns to a plan then action then results.

The Bounty of this now given and apparent! Well done, If you have not got copyright may I get some printed over here?

God bless and regards Tony
Tony,
. No copyright needed, brother. Its just numbers and letters, starting a simple fact.
.
. Once we figured out basically what we thought we wanted, we found a local T-shirt guy, showed him what we had in mind, and two weeks later we had a dozen shirts for $96 total @ $8 each.
.
. I've already sent one to Texas, one to Wisconsin, one to Oregan, and five more in three nearby towns in California Taking the four remaining you the Bahai District Convention tomorrow and gonna sell them at cost or give them away to Bahais who promise to wear them and teach the Faith.

If enough interest, will order more!!!
.
. And remember Arthra? He and I spent a couple of hours with the guy we got the T-shirts from, telling him about the Faith. Can't wait to order more from him, as he is not only receptive, but a teacher and world traveller.

.
. Ya Baha'ul'Abha!!!

PS. It only cost $4 to send them by mail within the US
 
Old 10-03-2015, 11:21 PM   #68
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Tony,
. No copyright needed, brother. Its just numbers and letters, starting a simple fact.
.
. Once we figured out basically what we thought we wanted, we found a local T-shirt guy, showed him what we had in mind, and two weeks later we had a dozen shirts for $96 total @ $8 each.
.
. I've already sent one to Texas, one to Wisconsin, one to Oregan, and five more in three nearby towns in California Taking the four remaining you the Bahai District Convention tomorrow and gonna sell them at cost or give them away to Bahais who promise to wear them and teach the Faith.

If enough interest, will order more!!!
.
. And remember Arthra? He and I spent a couple of hours with the guy we got the T-shirts from, telling him about the Faith. Can't wait to order more from him, as he is not only receptive, but a teacher and world traveller.

.
. Ya Baha'ul'Abha!!!

PS. It only cost $4 to send them by mail within the US
Dale - It was a good result in entirity. Considering the cost, An excellent return

How is Arthra going, we have missed his comments for some time here. Say Hi for us all.

Regards Tony
 
Old 10-03-2015, 11:50 PM   #69
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Arthra

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Dale - It was a good result in entirity. Considering the cost, An excellent return

How is Arthra going, we have missed his comments for some time here. Say Hi for us all.

Regards Tony
Arthra has some issues with his eyes, mostly with computer screens causing him problems, but he is in very good health, both physically and spiritually. He is very active in teaching the Faith, including the Farmers Market Bahai booth, and recently doing a fine presentation at the Riverside Bahai Center for four people who visited from a local church. Keep him in your prayers .

Ya Baha'ul'Abha

Allah'u'Abha

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Old 10-04-2015, 01:39 PM   #70
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Dale - It was a good result in entirity. Considering the cost, An excellent return

How is Arthra going, we have missed his comments for some time here. Say Hi for us all.

Regards Tony
Arthra posts regularly on another forum along with Susan Manek
 
Old 10-09-2015, 09:48 AM   #71
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T-shirt teaching

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Dale - Found I have to allow it in my edit Options



Regards Tony
Wow!!
. My dear friends. I'm wanting to share last night's experience at a nearby locality Market Night. Just walking main street and saying hello to a couple of old friends and just standing somewhere while wearing this T-shirt resulted in six different discussions with ten different people.

People flat out want to know what is the meaning of these numbers on this shirt. The short answer, without any detail, usually begins:

. "These three calendars are the same year...
1260 in the Muslim calendar is the year 1844 in the Christian Calendar and is the year ONE in the Bahai Calendar. .."

. Most of them reply with:
"What is Bahai?"

Thus, begins the discussion. No sooner does one discussion end than some new passers begin the same conversation and the process of T-shirt teaching continues...

Quite Exciting... ��

PS. I am invited to the home of an Adventist minister this evening for his Bible regular Bible study. So please say prayers

Ya Baha'ul'Abha

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Old 10-09-2015, 10:51 AM   #72
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Wow!!
. My dear friends. I'm wanting to share last night's experience at a nearby locality Market Night. Just walking main street and saying hello to a couple of old friends and just standing somewhere while wearing this T-shirt resulted in six different discussions with ten different people.

People flat out want to know what is the meaning of these numbers on this shirt. The short answer, without any detail, usually begins:

. "These three calendars are the same year...
1260 in the Muslim calendar is the year 1844 in the Christian Calendar and is the year ONE in the Bahai Calendar. .."

. Most of them reply with:
"What is Bahai?"

Thus, begins the discussion. No sooner does one discussion end than some new passers begin the same conversation and the process of T-shirt teaching continues...

Quite Exciting... ��

PS. I am invited to the home of an Adventist minister this evening for his Bible regular Bible study. So please say prayers

Ya Baha'ul'Abha
We all need one

That is good news, obviously a great proclamation tool!

May the conversations find the pearls and gems.

Regards Tony
 
Old 10-09-2015, 12:37 PM   #73
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I too get a similar reaction when I wear my t shirt stating the earth is but one country. It stimulates conversation
 
Old 10-18-2015, 05:18 AM   #74
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Dear Tony I've always been aware of how active the Spirit is in less affluent countries. I firmly believe that this is because people are not distracted by worldliness
A day spent at Loma Linda University teaching hospital among retired physicians, psychologists, neuroscientist, philosophers, professors who have met for thirty years to discuss topics often revolving around science and religion, with occasional sparks flying between secular and Adventist believers provided another most great opportunity for my Filipino Bahai ftiend and I to teach the Faith.
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The T-shirt did it's magic, prompting five top level folks among them to question the meaning of the calendars and the Bahai Faith, including a comment from the head of the Theology Department... "I see you're wearing all your numbers tonight."

We had met a few times five years earlier when he gave a series of talks lically, when at one point I asked him

" Are you aware that the year 1260 of the Muslim Calendar is 1844?" No.... I didn't know that. ..
and that the Battle of Armageddon took place in WWI

PLEASE Keep these high level teaching encounters amongst the elite of the very center of SDA in your prayers for our ongoing proclamations of the Most Great Name of Baha'u'llah.

Thank you so much
Allah'u'Abha
Dale and
Jon Flavor

Ya Baha'ul'Abha! !!!
 
Old 10-18-2015, 10:46 AM   #75
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Dale - Good to hear, you are both in the Prayers for sure

Thank you for the updates, it is great to hear.

Regards Tony
 
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A day spent at Loma Linda University teaching hospital among retired physicians, psychologists, neuroscientist, philosophers, professors who have met for thirty years to discuss topics often revolving around science and religion, with occasional sparks flying between secular and Adventist believers provided another most great opportunity for my Filipino Bahai ftiend and I to teach the Faith.
.
The T-shirt did it's magic, prompting five top level folks among them to question the meaning of the calendars and the Bahai Faith, including a comment from the head of the Theology Department... "I see you're wearing all your numbers tonight."

We had met a few times five years earlier when he gave a series of talks lically, when at one point I asked him

" Are you aware that the year 1260 of the Muslim Calendar is 1844?" No.... I didn't know that. ..
and that the Battle of Armageddon took place in WWI

PLEASE Keep these high level teaching encounters amongst the elite of the very center of SDA in your prayers for our ongoing proclamations of the Most Great Name of Baha'u'llah.

Thank you so much
Allah'u'Abha
Dale and
Jon Flavor

Ya Baha'ul'Abha! !!!
Dale, what do you mean by "....high level teaching encounters amongst the elite....?
 
Old 10-18-2015, 09:10 PM   #77
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people of capacity

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Dale, what do you mean by "....high level teaching encounters amongst the elite....?
Ha ha.. yeah.... that phrase could be questionable, huh?

A few years ago we were being told to teach "people of capacity" I think that was the phrase coming down either from the US BNC or the House of Justice. So how do we distinguish the "people of capacity"? (elite may well be a poor and improper descriptive)

Without meaning to denigrate the "ordinary people", who also may have great capacity, what is being referred to is those who are of extraordinary capacity, accomplished in areas of service to humanity, to whom others look up to and recognize such abilities and dedication without unnecessary adornments of ego or traces of self getting in the way.

Such people of capacity tend to be the movers and shakers of society, as they are looked up to and respected for good reason, whether as educators, healers, capable scientific community members, etc.

Revelation 3:12 says: "He that overcometh will I make a pillar in the Temple of My God, and he shall go no more out, and I will write upon him ... My new name..."

We meet some people who already tend to strike us as "pillars" of the community, right? What is it that usually distinguishes them?

"The light of a good character surpasseth the light of the sun." Baha'u'llah tells us.

So my friend and I are presently finding ourselves in closer association with some of these distinguished persons of science and medicine, which is all fine and good, but of particular interest, or possibly fascination to me, is that they are connected with this Adventist belief system which was founded upon the whole 1844 understanding of the Biblical prophecies.

Now as Baha'is, we are in total agreement with this date, and are challenged to assist those who already accept this date as accurate, to acknowledge the relationship of the Islamic calendar year of 1260 AH as meaningful and relevant.

These are "smart people", right? If anybody ought to get it, it should be these folks. Whew!! Go chew on a challenge like this awhile and it will floor you, by which I mean to say that this is like walking into a nuclear reactor at Fukushima or something.

Here are these mostly retired super achievers, personal friends of Nobel laureates, etc, leaders in their respective fields, gathering weekly to discuss very challenging concerns which affect humanity. These are not couch potatoes!!

Anyway, I hope this helps a little. My friend and I went again to Loma Linda University to visit a wonderful old Baha'i friend, Tom Funk, at the nearby VA Hospital, who could really use everyone's prayers, by the way, but while there, we met a young Ethiopian gentleman and engaged in conversation spurred again by the notorious T-shirt. Its a brain jogger for some of them, to hear for the first time a new interpretation of "1260" in relation to 1844, and introducing Islam as substantial to the Return of Christ, without scaring them away from the conversation, due to Islamophobia, etc. Thats where the challenge lies.

Ya Baha'ul'Abha!!!
 
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"Movers and shakers" "super achievers" "pillars" "distinguished persons of science and medicine". Is it ok for me to eschew such and reach out to the opposite end of the spectrum?
 
Old 10-19-2015, 06:33 PM   #79
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the whole broad spectrum

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"Movers and shakers" "super achievers" "pillars" "distinguished persons of science and medicine". Is it ok for me to eschew such and reach out to the opposite end of the spectrum?
Aiden,
. I fully appreciate the spirit of what you are saying, and fully agree with you that we should not put anyone upon a pedestal, thinking that anybody is superior in anyway to anyone else.

. But I don't believe we need to "eschew" people of exceptional accomplishment. What comes to mind is not only the letters Baha'u'llah wrote to the Kings and Rulers of the earth, but the true encouragement given by Abdul Baha to, for example, Count Leo Tolstoy.

. Similarly, Shoghi Effendi placed great importance upon, as another example, Martha Root presenting the Faith to Queen Marie of Rumania. Someone taught King Maleotoa Tanumafili II the Baha'i Faith.

. These are not individual's efforts or accomplishments. God forbid anyone to attach importance to self when delivering the Message of Baha'u'llah to anyone. What is intended in this thread is to have both consultation and prayers regarding how best to proceed, and with the ernest prayers of the friends in support of eachother's efforts, wherever we are, and with whomsoever any of us may be trying to fulfill Baha'u'llah's intention that we:

. "Make mention of Me on My earth, that in My heaven I may remember thee. Thus, shall Mine eyes and thine be solaced."

. Now please forgive me if any of this is not adequately shared with you while the attempt is being made in this particular arena to spread the Message of Baha'u'llah. Truly, it is with such a sense of feeling so inadequately prepared to deliver the Message of Baha'u'llah to such esteemed people in the heart of Adventist territory that causes some anxiety and, with this in mind, appeal for continued prayers and suggestions.

. For example, just walking about the University wearing this T-shirt is attracting attention, for it contains the essence of the prophetic numbers upon which the foundation of their system of beliefs and the identity as "thee correct church" revolves and hinges. Think of it as the Da Vinci Code being paraded in their midst, but with something they are as yet unaware of: The Islamic factor... and the appearance of the Bab in 1844.

. You see, in the early years of the 7th Day Adventist Church, once 1844 had come and gone, things had to be "explained" to the people in such a way as to continue to have sufficient appeal, lest they wander off to another sect. Their "prophetess" EG White has a similar stature to them as Joseph Smith does to the Mormons. Whatever she stated is an adjunct to the Bible for modern times.

. Now someone studied history and created explanations of the prophecies of Daniel, equating the beginning of the 1260 with the history of the Roman Catholic Church in 538 AD, and how 1260 years later, in 1798 AD, Napoleon Bonaparte overthrew Pope Pius VI. etc, etc...

. So they entirely disregarded the appearance of Islam in their interpretations of the Bible. They are completely unaware that 1260 AH = 1844 AD. Now that we make them aware, one by one, there is bound to be "talk" amongst them as these Baha'is keep showing up on campus with their little black and white T-shirts, rocking the boatfull of the sleeping faithful... follow??

. So as we befriend the best and brightest amongst them, those most capable of impartial reasoning, you see where this is going, right? And we are also talking to the plain folk and the students, as well as the old professors, etc... Yes, my friend, we do need prayers!!

Allah'u'Abha
Dale

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Brother Dale, as always you are my beloved brother and sure of my prayers for any work you do in Gods cause
 
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