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Old 05-11-2013, 06:11 PM   #1
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1844 ad = 1260 ah

Dear fellow Baha'i teachers,
Having just subscribed to the 7th Day Adventist Forum, my introductory post is in their forum link below.
Should anyone wish to enter into careful, thoughtful, considerate dialogues with tact and wisdom, the link follows:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/...8DC0VBTV8L24V2
Look for the topic 1260 AH = 1844 AD = 1


The Time Prophecies of Daniel pointing to 1844 from the 2300 days intersects with the 42 months (X 30 days) = 1260.
While my Adventist friends recognize 1844 as the correct year of the Advent of Christ's second coming, they ascribe the event as having occurred in some compartment of heaven. The reason they do this is because no one saw Jesus descending on a cloud in the sky overhead. They reexamined the time prophecies and found no error, so had to create an alternative. Then, in explaining what the 1260, or time (360) times (720) and a half (180) equals 1260, their forerunners ascribed this to various events in Papal history to prove the numbers ad up.
What is remarkable is that no one seems to have noticed that the Muslim calendar year 1260 AH coincides with 1844 AD. How can any theologian worth his salt overlook the significance of these overlapping dates?
Ad to this the fact that Daniel had his great vision in Elam, which is Southwestern Iran, and Jeremiah 49:38... clearly states "The Lord shall set His throne in Elam."
In Jeremiah 49:36 it plainly states that "There shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come." The outcasts of Elam are the Baha'is who, being severely persecuted for the past 170 years are today found in every nation, more or less, having been cast out of their home country for the love of Baha'u'llah
Elam is where the Bab, in 1844, set His Throne, foretelling the coming of Him Whom God shall make manifest.
Daniel's references to 1280 are again the year 1280 AH, or 1863 AD, the year that Baha'u'llah publicly proclaimed His Mission to the world. This is also 1290 years after the public proclamation of Muhammad, ten years prior to the Hijra, which began the Muslim calendar, again fulfilling Daniel's prophecies.
Not only do these important time prophecies link the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim calendars, but the place, Elam...

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Old 05-11-2013, 10:48 PM   #2
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The Time Prophecies of Daniel pointing to 1844 from the 2300 days intersects with the 42 months (X 30 days) = 1260.
While my Adventist friends recognize 1844 as the correct year of the Advent of Christ's second coming, they ascribe the event as having occurred in some compartment of heaven. The reason they do this is because no one saw Jesus descending on a cloud in the sky overhead. They reexamined the time prophecies and found no error, so had to create an alternative. Then, in explaining what the 1260, or time (360) times (720) and a half (180) equals 1260, their forerunners ascribed this to various events in Papal history to prove the numbers ad up.
What is remarkable is that no one seems to have noticed that the Muslim calendar year 1260 AH coincides with 1844 AD. How can any theologian worth his salt overlook the significance of these overlapping dates?
Ad to this the fact that Daniel had his great vision in Elam, which is Southwestern Iran, and Jeremiah 49:38... clearly states "The Lord shall set His throne in Elam."
In Jeremiah 49:36 it plainly states that "There shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come." The outcasts of Elam are the Baha'is who, being severely persecuted for the past 170 years are today found in every nation, more or less, having been cast out of their home country for the love of Baha'u'llah
Elam is where the Bab, in 1844, set His Throne, foretelling the coming of Him Whom God shall make manifest.
Daniel's references to 1280 are again the year 1280 AH, or 1863 AD, the year that Baha'u'llah publicly proclaimed His Mission to the world. This is also 1290 years after the public proclamation of Muhammad, ten years prior to the Hijra, which began the Muslim calendar, again fulfilling Daniel's prophecies.
Not only do these important time prophecies link the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim calendars, but the place, Elam...
Yes why ??????

Why can a person read Thief in the night and not draw the same conclusion????

Gods Grace and Bounty to us is immense, Oh that we could know how much a bounty this is and Serve this Faith as it should be served!

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You know if you give me enough time I can take numbers from the Old testament and add them together and arrive at a date as well.
 
Old 05-12-2013, 12:43 AM   #4
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How wonderful that Biblical Prophesy coincided with the most amazing story ever to be told since the start of this world!

Historical Interpretation has shown that the mid 1800's and in a lot of cases that 1844 was indeed a time full of much promise.

Most gave up and reinterpreted when the perceived nothing happened! But something did and here is a section from the announcement no one should brush aside;

"Announce thou unto the priests: Lo! He Who is the Ruler is come. Step out from behind the veil in the name of thy Lord, He Who layeth low the necks of all men. Proclaim then unto all mankind the glad-tidings of this mighty, this glorious Revelation. Verily, He Who is the Spirit of Truth is come to guide you unto all truth. He speaketh not as prompted by His own self, but as bidden by Him Who is the All-Knowing, the All-Wise.

Say, this is the One Who hath glorified the Son and hath exalted His Cause. Cast away, O peoples of the earth, that which ye have and take fast hold of that which ye are bidden by the All-Powerful, He Who is the Bearer of the Trust of God. Purge ye your ears and set your hearts towards Him that ye may hearken to the most wondrous

Call which hath been raised from Sinai, the habitation of your Lord, the Most Glorious. It will, in truth, draw you nigh unto the Spot wherein ye will perceive the splendour of the light of His countenance which shineth above this luminous Horizon.

O concourse of priests! Leave the bells, and come forth, then, from your churches. It behoveth you, in this day, to proclaim aloud the Most Great Name among the nations. Prefer ye to be silent, whilst every stone and every tree shouteth aloud: `The Lord is come in His great glory!'? Well is it with the man who hasteneth unto Him. Verily, he is numbered among them whose names will be eternally recorded and who will be mentioned by the Concourse on High. Thus hath it been decreed by the Spirit in this wondrous Tablet. He that summoneth men in My name is, verily, of Me, and he will show forth that which is beyond the power of all that are on earth. Follow ye the Way of the Lord and walk not in the footsteps of them that are sunk in heedlessness. Well is it with the slumberer who is stirred by the Breeze of God and ariseth from amongst the dead, directing his steps towards the Way of the Lord. Verily, such a man is regarded, in the sight of God, the True One, as a jewel amongst men and is reckoned with the blissful".


Link to the Baha'u'llah's Tablet to the Christians -http://bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/lawhaqds.htm

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How can Mirza Hussain claim the ruler has come when he and the bahai haven't ruled anything?
 
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God conquers the Hearts of Men - God rules over the Hearts of Men from the beginning that has no beginning to the end that has no end!

People in Christs time said He was powerless as well!

Christs all conquering Power is now self evident, as is the Power of Baha'u'llah to transform the Souls of Men.

"Verily, He Who is the Spirit of Truth is come to guide you unto all truth. He speaketh not as prompted by His own self, but as bidden by Him Who is the All-Knowing, the All-Wise".

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Actually it's fascinated me for some time that the two dates 1844 CE and 1260 AH were promulgated by historical movements such as the Millerites in Christianity (mostly in the US) and Shaykhi movement in Twelver Islam (Iran). Neither had knowledge of the other and were separated by vast differences of culture and language as well as geographical distance...

 
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The Most Holy Tablet (Tablet to the Christians) is one of my most favorite tablets. How stirring it is to the soul. One wonders how anyone can read it and not immediately recognize that it is from God...
Thank you for posting
 
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How can Mirza Hussain claim the ruler has come when he and the bahai haven't ruled anything?
Friend,
"Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven" is unfolding before the very eyes of all mankind. He rules over those who have recognized Him, "who have eyes to see", in the midst of the sea of "those who have eyes but see not"
Again, the example of our Lord Jesus Christ before His crucifixion, "Beholdest thou not the Son of Man seated on the right hand of power and might?" The deniers have never beheld Him, and still do not. That is truly the beauty of "The most hidden of the hidden and the most manifest of the manifest..."
"And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.
And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for My people that have sought Me..."
Isaiah 65:9,10
 
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"The wise are they that speak not unless they obtain a hearing, even as the cup-bearer, who proffereth not his cup till he findeth a seeker, and the lover who crieth not out from the depths of his heart until he gazeth upon the beauty of his beloved." - Baha'u'llah, Hidden Words
 
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So Mirza Hussain will rule over us in heaven? I thought Jesus is the judge and ruler. Is there a council of infinte manifestations of God who judge people? And Jesus will actually rule on earth dale when he actually returns.
 
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God conquers the Hearts of Men - God rules over the Hearts of Men from the beginning that has no beginning to the end that has no end!

People in Christs time said He was powerless as well!

Christs all conquering Power is now self evident, as is the Power of Baha'u'llah to transform the Souls of Men.

"Verily, He Who is the Spirit of Truth is come to guide you unto all truth. He speaketh not as prompted by His own self, but as bidden by Him Who is the All-Knowing, the All-Wise".

Regards Tony
So in that regaurd Joseph Smith is a greater ruler than your bahai prophet.

14,440,000 Mormons, wiki

5,000,000 Bahai, wiki

When you allegorize everything if often fails. Joseph Smith has captured more hearts than Mirza Hussain has therefore he is a greater ruler.
 
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"The wise are they that speak not unless they obtain a hearing, even as the cup-bearer, who proffereth not his cup till he findeth a seeker, and the lover who crieth not out from the depths of his heart until he gazeth upon the beauty of his beloved." - Baha'u'llah, Hidden Words
Wise words indeed, ones we should always remember to heed

Off now to put them into practice with this thread

Regards Tony
 
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"The wise are they that speak not unless they obtain a hearing, even as the cup-bearer, who proffereth not his cup till he findeth a seeker, and the lover who crieth not out from the depths of his heart until he gazeth upon the beauty of his beloved." - Baha'u'llah, Hidden Words
There is so much wisdom in this one verse. Can you please find for me the one about "nor can every timely utterance be considered as suitable..."
Thank you
 
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As Jesus and Baha'u'llah are one and the same, it will be interesting watching the deniers awaiting the vision of their own imagination.

XXII. The Bearers of the Trust of God are made manifest unto the peoples of the earth as the Exponents of a new Cause and the Revealers of a new Message. Inasmuch as these Birds of the celestial Throne are all sent down from the heaven of the Will of God, and as they all arise to proclaim His irresistible Faith, they, therefore, are regarded as one soul and the same person. For they all drink from the one Cup of the love of God, and all partake of the fruit of the same Tree of Oneness.
These Manifestations of God have each a twofold (Page 51) station. One is the station of pure abstraction and essential unity. In this respect, if thou callest them all by one name, and dost ascribe to them the same attributes, thou hast not erred from the truth. Even as He hath revealed: "No distinction do We make between any of His Messengers." For they, one and all, summon the people of the earth to acknowledge the unity of God, and herald unto them the Kawthar of an infinite grace and bounty. They are all invested with the robe of prophethood, and are honored with the mantle of glory. Thus hath Muhammad, the Point of the Qur'an, revealed: "I am all the Prophets." Likewise, He saith: "I am the first Adam, Noah, Moses, and Jesus." Similar statements have been made by Imam Ali. Sayings such as these, which indicate the essential unity of those Exponents of Oneness, have also emanated from the Channels of God's immortal utterance, and the Treasuries of the gems of Divine knowledge, and have been recorded in the Scriptures. These Countenances are the recipients of the Divine Command, and the Day Springs of His Revelation. This Revelation is exalted above the veils of plurality and the exigencies of number. Thus He saith: "Our Cause is but One." Inasmuch as the Cause is one and the same, the Exponents thereof also must needs be one and the same. Likewise, the Imams of the Muhammadan Faith, those lamps of certitude, have said: "Muhammad is our first, Muhammad is our last, Muhammad our all."

Baha'u'llah : Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah
 
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"How great the multitude of truths which the garment of words can never contain! How vast the number of such verities as no expression can adequately describe, whose significance can never be unfolded, and to which not even the remotest allusions can be made! How manifold are the truths which must remain unuttered until the appointed time is come! Even as it hath been said: “Not everything that a man knoweth can be disclosed, nor can everything that he can disclose be regarded as timely, nor can every timely utterance be considered as suited to the capacity of those who hear it.” "

Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah p. 176
 
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"I have yet may things to say..."

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"How great the multitude of truths which the garment of words can never contain! How vast the number of such verities as no expression can adequately describe, whose significance can never be unfolded, and to which not even the remotest allusions can be made! How manifold are the truths which must remain unuttered until the appointed time is come! Even as it hath been said: “Not everything that a man knoweth can be disclosed, nor can everything that he can disclose be regarded as timely, nor can every timely utterance be considered as suited to the capacity of those who hear it.” "

Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah p. 176
"I have yet many things to say, but ye cannot bare it now. Howbeit, when He, the Spirit of Truth is come, He shall guide you into all truth..." Jesus
 
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So Mirza Hussain will rule over us in heaven? I thought Jesus is the judge and ruler. Is there a council of infinte manifestations of God who judge people? And Jesus will actually rule on earth dale when he actually returns.
The Church reproves, as foreign to the mind of Christ, any discrimination against men or harassment of them because of their race, color, condition of life, or religion. On the contrary, following in the footsteps of the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, this sacred synod ardently implores the Christian faithful to "maintain good fellowship among the nations" (1 Peter 2:12), and, if possible, to live for their part in peace with all men,(14) so that they may truly be sons of the Father who is in heaven.(15)

THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
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The Church reproves, as foreign to the mind of Christ, any discrimination against men or harassment of them because of their race, color, condition of life, or religion. On the contrary, following in the footsteps of the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, this sacred synod ardently implores the Christian faithful to "maintain good fellowship among the nations" (1 Peter 2:12), and, if possible, to live for their part in peace with all men,(14) so that they may truly be sons of the Father who is in heaven.(15)

THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
NOSTRA AETATE
PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON OCTOBER 28, 1965
Are you calling me racist? Wow, I could insult you for suggesting such things but I won't. By the way I'm not a roman catholic and even if I were is this an ex cathedra statement? Otherwise I don't think catholics are neccessarily bound to it. And If I by challanging Bahai sensisbilites and your refusal to deal with these problems I pose feel I am being a nuisance then perhaps you ought re-examine your belief and ask why you feel so insecure as to resort to these tactics? I thought you had left me to God? That dind't last very long, why are you committing a sin by continuing these debates?

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"I have yet many things to say, but ye cannot bare it now. Howbeit, when He, the Spirit of Truth is come, He shall guide you into all truth..." Jesus
1 When the day of Pentecost came round, while they were all gathered together in unity of purpose, 2 all at once a sound came from heaven like that of a strong wind blowing, and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then appeared to them what seemed to be tongues of fire, which parted and came to rest on each of them; 4 and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak in strange languages, as the Spirit gave utterance to each.

I swear the bahai skip right over that book of acts.
 
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Quote from "THE UNIVERSITY OF THE KINGDOM"

O thou yearner after the Kingdom! Each Manifestation is the heart of the world and the proficient Physician of every patient. The world of humanity is sick, but that skilled Physician hath the healing remedy and He bestoweth divine teachings, exhortations and advices which are the remedy of every ailment and the dressing for every wound. Undoubtedly, the wise physician discovereth the needs of the patient at every season and prescribeth medicine. Therefore, when thou wilt compare the teachings of the Beauty of Abhá with the requisitions and necessities of the present time, thou wilt conclude that they are to the sick body of the world the swift healing antidote; nay, rather they are the remedy of everlasting health. The prescription of the proficient physicians of the past and the future will not be the same; nay, rather they will be in accord with the ailment of the patient. Although the medicine is changed, yet all of these are for the sole purpose of the healing of the sick. In former dispensations the sick body of the world could not bear the strong and overpowering remedies. That is why His Highness the Christ said: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit, when He, the Spirit of the Comforter, who is sent by the Father, is come, He will guide you into all truth.” Therefore, in this age of lights, specific teachings have become universal, in order that the outpouring of the Merciful One environ both the East and the West, the oneness of the kingdom of humanity become visible and the luminosity of truth enlighten the world of consciousness. The descent of the New Jerusalem is the heavenly religion which secures the prosperity of the human world and is the effulgence of the illumination of the realm of God.

Bahá’í World Faith—Selected Writings of Bahá’u’lláh and ‘Abdu’l-Bahá (‘Abdu’l-Bahá’s Section Only) - Link - Bahá'í Reference Library - Bahá’í World Faith—Selected Writings of Bahá’u’lláh and ‘Abdu’l-Bahá (‘Abdu’l-Bahá’s Section Only), Pages 380-381

May the wisdom of Christ be shed upon us all - Regards Tony
 
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"How great the multitude of truths which the garment of words can never contain! How vast the number of such verities as no expression can adequately describe, whose significance can never be unfolded, and to which not even the remotest allusions can be made! How manifold are the truths which must remain unuttered until the appointed time is come! Even as it hath been said: “Not everything that a man knoweth can be disclosed, nor can everything that he can disclose be regarded as timely, nor can every timely utterance be considered as suited to the capacity of those who hear it.” "

Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah p. 176
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Seven

This is another way of looking at the significance of the number "Seven" cross-culturally. Why do we have "Seven" days in the week?
(Posted in Native American thread)

"I see a time of Seven Generations when all the colors of mankind will gather under the Sacred Tree of Life and the whole Earth will become one circle again."

- Crazy Horse, Oglala Lakota Sioux (circa 1840-1877)[/QUOTE]

>>> I think that the number Seven is of particular significance, for it is found both in the Lakota traditions and the Bible. The Great Spirit has hammered that number into our consciousness for a reason, as a frame of time reference.
From Moses in Leviticus 26:18 "And if ye for all this will not hearken unto Me, then I will punish you seven times for your sins."
According to the "times prophecy" interpretations, this is the span of time which God punishes Israel, casting them out. This began when Manasseh was taken captive in 677 BC, at the very pit of Jewish rebellion against God, when Idol worship once again became rampant. Manasseh had his Grandfather, Isaiah, sawn in half!!! My God! The great Jewish Prophet Isaiah!!!
So 7 times 360 equals 2520, minus 677 (plus one for adjusting the calendar for having no year zero) was fulfilled in 1844.
Then there are 7 units of "half times", or time (360), times (720) and a half of time (180), which equals 1260.
So there are 7 "times", then 7 "half times", pointing precisely to the "end times" prophesied as the "time of the end" of these measurements.
Hence, like a great funnel pointing: 2520... 1260... "0" followed by a brand new calendar instituted by the Bab, the year 1844 being the year "1" of the new measurement of time.
Now figure as well that each of these numbers adds up to the number "9". That is, 2 + 5 + 2 + 0 = "9" and 1 + 2 + 6 + 0 = "9" and each measurement of "time" 3 + 6 + 0 = "9"
The number "9" symbolizes Baha, for in the Abjad B = 2 + A = 1 + H = 5 + A = 1 again adds up to "9"

Also, the 42 months of 30 days is 42 X 30 = 1260, which is the year 1260 AH of the Muslim Calendar, which is the year 1844 AD, the fulfillment of Daniel's 2300 days (years) prophecy, which began with the Decree of Artaxerxes issued in 457 BC. With no year zero, it results again in the year 1844 AD, or 1260 AH.
Daniel, having had this vision in Elam, joins with Jeremiah's vision that "The Lord shall set His Throne in Elam", which is, of course, SW Iran, where the Bab, in the year 1260 AH, 1844 AD, set His Throne...
So the conditioning of the people to the number "7" is part of God's method of putting in our cultural and religious consciousness that which points to the fulfillment of the Cycle of Prophecy begun with Adam and fulfilled with the Dispensation of Muhammad, which ended in 1844, or 1260 (BAHA)

... CORRECTION inserted here.
Technically, the word is BHA in Arabic, and the Abjad is figured as B = 2 + H = 5 + A = 1 "plus" Hamza = 1, which is the accent following the A at the end. BHA' In the west we say BAHA, adding the A sound after the B. Its already there in one sense. People not recognizing the value of ' (which is called Hamza) as equal to 1 might argue that BHA adds up to only 8, but BHA' is in fact 9 according to the Abjad numbering system. Source for this is http://bahai-library.com/lewis_abjad...logical_system

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Dale - that is very interesting Material - Thank You

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Quote from "THE UNIVERSITY OF THE KINGDOM"

O thou yearner after the Kingdom! Each Manifestation is the heart of the world and the proficient Physician of every patient. The world of humanity is sick, but that skilled Physician hath the healing remedy and He bestoweth divine teachings, exhortations and advices which are the remedy of every ailment and the dressing for every wound. Undoubtedly, the wise physician discovereth the needs of the patient at every season and prescribeth medicine. Therefore, when thou wilt compare the teachings of the Beauty of Abhá with the requisitions and necessities of the present time, thou wilt conclude that they are to the sick body of the world the swift healing antidote; nay, rather they are the remedy of everlasting health. The prescription of the proficient physicians of the past and the future will not be the same; nay, rather they will be in accord with the ailment of the patient. Although the medicine is changed, yet all of these are for the sole purpose of the healing of the sick. In former dispensations the sick body of the world could not bear the strong and overpowering remedies. That is why His Highness the Christ said: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit, when He, the Spirit of the Comforter, who is sent by the Father, is come, He will guide you into all truth.” Therefore, in this age of lights, specific teachings have become universal, in order that the outpouring of the Merciful One environ both the East and the West, the oneness of the kingdom of humanity become visible and the luminosity of truth enlighten the world of consciousness. The descent of the New Jerusalem is the heavenly religion which secures the prosperity of the human world and is the effulgence of the illumination of the realm of God.

Bahá’í World Faith—Selected Writings of Bahá’u’lláh and ‘Abdu’l-Bahá (‘Abdu’l-Bahá’s Section Only) - Link - Bahá'í Reference Library - Bahá’í World Faith—Selected Writings of Bahá’u’lláh and ‘Abdu’l-Bahá (‘Abdu’l-Bahá’s Section Only), Pages 380-381

May the wisdom of Christ be shed upon us all - Regards Tony
And may bahai read the entirety of Chapter fourteen in the gospel of John and realise that Christ is not speaking to 18th century disinfranchised Bab followers but to his own apostles he is talking to personally.
 
Old 05-27-2013, 10:08 AM   #26
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Prophecy Unsealed

Throughout religious history, mysteries have been "sealed", even to those who revealed the prophecies. Daniel did not know the meaning. Jesus did not know hour. John did not know the meaning. and Muhammad was the Seal of the Prophets as well, the meaning being sealed until the time of the end, ie 1260 AH, 1844.

"And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? And he said, Go your way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. … "

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." Mark 13:32

Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, "Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down."

Then the Bab, the Herald of the One Who truly has unsealed the meanings of such prophecies clearly in the Kitab-i-Iqan, says:

"Say, verily, the criterion by which truth is distinguished from error shall not appear until the Day of Resurrection. This ye will know, if ye be of them that love the Truth. And ere the advent of the Day of Resurrection ye shall distinguish truth from aught else besides it according to that which hath been revealed in the Bayan. (143:2)
 
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The Bab has already addressed these accusations in the following writing

Thy Lord hath never raised up a prophet in the past who failed to summon the people to His Lord, and today is truly similar to the times of old, were ye to ponder over the verses revealed by God.

When God sent forth His Prophet Muhammad, on that day the termination of the prophetic cycle was foreordained in the knowledge of God. Yea, that promise hath indeed come true and the decree of God hath been accomplished as He hath ordained. Assuredly we are today living in the Days of God. These are the glorious days on the like of which the sun hath never risen in the past. These are the days which the people in bygone times eagerly expected. What hath then befallen you that ye are fast asleep? These are the days wherein God hath caused the Day-Star of Truth to shine resplendent. What hath then caused you to keep your silence? These are the appointed days which ye have been yearningly awaiting in the past--the days of the advent of divine justice. Render ye thanks unto God, O ye concourse of believers.

Let not the deeds of those who reject the Truth shut you out as by a veil. Such people have warrant over your bodies only, and God hath not reposed in them power over your spirits, your souls and your hearts. Fear ye God that haply it may be well with you. All things have been created for your sakes, and for the sake of naught else hath your creation been ordained. Fear ye God and take heed lest forms and apparels debar you from recognizing Him. Render ye thanksgiving unto God that perchance He may deal mercifully with you.

This mortal life is sure to perish; its pleasures are bound to fade away and ere long ye shall return unto God, distressed with pangs of remorse, for presently ye shall be roused from your slumber, and ye shall soon find yourselves in the presence of God and will be asked of your doings.

Say, how dare ye flagrantly deny the verses sent down from the heaven of justice, yet ye read the Books of God revealed in the past? How do ye repudiate the meeting with your Lord which was appointed with you aforetime, and fail in this Day to heed His warning? Indeed, by adhering to forms and by following the promptings of your selfish desires, ye have deprived yourselves of the good-pleasure of your Lord, except those whom their Lord hath endowed with knowledge and who in this Day render thanks unto Him for the bounty of being identified with the true Faith of God. Therefore announce ye the Message unto those who manifest virtue and teach them the ways of the One True God, that haply they may comprehend.

Withhold thy tongue from uttering that which might grieve thee and beseech God for mercy. Verily He is fully cognizant of the righteous, for He is with such of His servants as truly believe in Him, and He is not unaware of the actions of the mischief-makers, inasmuch as nothing whatever in the heavens or on the earth can escape His knowledge.

These verses, clear and conclusive, are a token of the mercy of thy Lord and a source of guidance for all mankind. They are a light unto those who believe in them and a fire of afflictive torment for those who turn away and reject them.


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144,000

I would suggest that the only sensible interpretation (at least for me) of the 144,000 is that it once again symbolizes the people of Baha in the veiled language of symbols. 1 and 4 and 4 adds up to 9, the symbol of Baha and its equivalent in the Abjad. B = 2, A = 1, H = 5, A = 1 totals 9

These cannot be coincidences, for there are simply too many of them.
1260 adds up to 9. 2520 adds up to 9. 360 adds up to 9.
 
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I would suggest that the only sensible interpretation (at least for me) of the 144,000 is that it once again symbolizes the people of Baha in the veiled language of symbols. 1 and 4 and 4 adds up to 9, the symbol of Baha and its equivalent in the Abjad. B = 2, A = 1, H = 5, A = 1 totals 9

These cannot be coincidences, for there are simply too many of them.
1260 adds up to 9. 2520 adds up to 9. 360 adds up to 9.
So many things that the Christians have trouble trying to disprove.

I find the quote here very interesting, and I have never seen any answer to this either:-

Ad to this the fact that Daniel had his great vision in Elam, which is Southwestern Iran, and Jeremiah 49:38... clearly states "The Lord shall set His throne in Elam."
In Jeremiah 49:36 it plainly states that "There shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come." The outcasts of Elam are the Baha'is who, being severely persecuted for the past 170 years are today found in every nation, more or less, having been cast out of their home country for the love of Baha'u'llah
Elam is where the Bab, in 1844, set His Throne, foretelling the coming of Him Whom God shall make manifest.

So much evidence, but like the priests in Jesus day they will, just get angry and strive to ridicule and lead people away from the messenger, in fact away from God Himself, if they only knew.
 
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Forty (40)

. There is something interesting about the number "40" in religious prophecy that is not often noticed:

God told Noah that it will "rain" for 40 days and 40 nights, non-stop
Noah waited 40 days after the flood before exiting the ark.
Moses was on the mountain for 40 days, not once, but twice!
Moses wandered in the wilderness for 40 years
Goliath appeared for 40 days before being killed by David.
Elijah strengthened by one angelic meal went 40 days to Mount Horeb where the Lord passed by and he heard the voice of God
Jonah warned the City of Nineveh they had 40 days until God would overthrow the city.
The people repented in those 40 days and God spared the city.
Jesus fasted for 40 days
Muhammad began receiving revelation at the age of 40
Mulla Husayn fasted and prayed for 40 days before recognizing the Bab
Before Mullah Husayn began his search for the Promised One, he prayed and fasted for 40 days.
The time between Mullah Husayn finding the Bab until the second Letter of the Living did was 40 days.
The Bab wrote His first major work, the Qayyumu'l-Asma, in 40 days.
To prevent the Bábis removing the bodies and giving them a dignified burial, a total of 40 soldiers kept watch by the bodies outside the city.
Baha'u'llah received revelation for 40 years, from 1852 until His ascension in 1892

Thus, as God told Noah, it "rained" from the Heaven of God's Revelation for 40 years non-stop, from the Pen of Baha'u'llah, from 1852 through 1892, fulfilling prophecy linked to all of these Biblical accounts.

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. There is something interesting about the number "40" in religious prophecy that is not often noticed:

God told Noah that it will "rain" for 40 days and 40 nights, non-stop
Noah waited 40 days after the flood before exiting the ark.
Moses was on the mountain for 40 days, not once, but twice!
Moses wandered in the wilderness for 40 years
Goliath appeared for 40 days before being killed by David.
Elijah strengthened by one angelic meal went 40 days to Mount Horeb where the Lord passed by and he heard the voice of God
Jonah warned the City of Nineveh they had 40 days until God would overthrow the city.
The people repented in those 40 days and God spared the city.
Jesus fasted for 40 days
then Jesus appeared for 40 days after His crucifixion, but "only" to those who believed in Him
Muhammad began receiving revelation at the age of 40
Baha'u'llah received revelation for 40 years, from 1852 until His ascension in 1892

Thus, as God told Noah, it "rained" from the Heaven of God's Revelation for 40 years non-stop, from the Pen of Baha'u'llah, from 1852 through 1892, fulfilling prophecy linked to all of these Biblical accounts.
Yes most interesting.

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. There is something interesting about the number "40" in religious prophecy that is not often noticed:

God told Noah that it will "rain" for 40 days and 40 nights, non-stop
Noah waited 40 days after the flood before exiting the ark.
Moses was on the mountain for 40 days, not once, but twice!
Moses wandered in the wilderness for 40 years
Goliath appeared for 40 days before being killed by David.
Elijah strengthened by one angelic meal went 40 days to Mount Horeb where the Lord passed by and he heard the voice of God
Jonah warned the City of Nineveh they had 40 days until God would overthrow the city.
The people repented in those 40 days and God spared the city.
Jesus fasted for 40 days
then Jesus appeared for 40 days after His crucifixion, but "only" to those who believed in Him
Muhammad began receiving revelation at the age of 40
Baha'u'llah received revelation for 40 years, from 1852 until His ascension in 1892

Thus, as God told Noah, it "rained" from the Heaven of God's Revelation for 40 years non-stop, from the Pen of Baha'u'llah, from 1852 through 1892, fulfilling prophecy linked to all of these Biblical accounts.


Some additional 40's:

Before Mullah Husayn began his search for the Promised One, he prayed and fasted for 40 days.

The time between Mullah Husayn finding the Bab until the second Letter of the Living did was 40 days.

The Bab wrote His first major work, the Qayyumu'l-Asma, in 40 days.
 
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Some additional 40's:

Before Mullah Husayn began his search for the Promised One, he prayed and fasted for 40 days.

The time between Mullah Husayn finding the Bab until the second Letter of the Living did was 40 days.

The Bab wrote His first major work, the Qayyumu'l-Asma, in 40 days.
Not wishing to get tied up in speculation, but certainly interesting and something to meditate upon.
 
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So in that regaurd Joseph Smith is a greater ruler than your bahai prophet.

14,440,000 Mormons, wiki

5,000,000 Bahai, wiki

When you allegorize everything if often fails. Joseph Smith has captured more hearts than Mirza Hussain has therefore he is a greater ruler.
Dear friend,
. You left out one important figure in history: Nathan Bedford Forest, the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, which at one time numbered some twenty million.

. The legitimate Prophets of God have all gathered portions of humanity over time, in many places, according to the plan of God. All have prophesied that all of these herds of humanity shall one day be gathered into a single herd: "There shall be One Fold and One Shepherd" or The Buddha of Universal Peace, or "I saw forming One Sacred Hoop of all nations", etc.

. A Hollywood mindset may imagine this to take place in a 90 minute movement, but reality takes longer, and there is a sorting out over generations whereby those who recognize the Light are separated from those who turn away, as cream is separated from milk.

. There are subsets of the great religions of God, including the Mormon movement which began with Joseph Smith, and numerous others, particularly in the Adventist period. This occurred not only in Christianity, but Islam and others. What is important to acknowledge is that all of these sets and subsets are drawn into the One Fold by the expected Promised One of all relgions, fulfilling all the Messianic prophecies at once.

. The Baha'is are composed of every set and subset of every religion on earth, but men are not compelled to believe, nor composed of those who adhere strictly to an exclusive mindset, whether racial or religious.

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What is important to acknowledge is that all of these sets and subsets are drawn into the One Fold by the expected Promised One of all religions, fulfilling all the Messianic prophecies at once.

. The Baha'is are composed of every set and subset of every religion on earth, but men are not compelled to believe, nor composed of those who adhere strictly to an exclusive mindset, whether racial or religious.
People are generally impatient and want everything NOW. Those who mock the relatively small number of Baha'is fail to realize that Baha'u'llah's teachings have permeated society at every level, and are acknowledged by both religious and non-religious people as almost self-evident. Still, though many recognize the light, they are as yet unaware of its source.

"So vast is its range that it hath encompassed all men ere their recognition of it. Ere long will its sovereign power, its pervasive influence and the greatness of
its might be manifested on earth." --Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p 200

"When the victory arriveth, every man shall profess himself as believer and shall hasten to the shelter of God’s Faith. Happy are they who in the days of world-encompassing trials have stood fast in the Cause and refused to swerve from its truth." --Baha'u'llah, Gleanings, p 319

We don't know how long it will take to achieve this 'victory', but since it is God's Will, it will happen.

"Say: If it be Our pleasure We shall render the Cause victorious through the power of a single word from Our presence. He is in truth the Omnipotent, the All-Compelling. Should it be God’s intention, there would appear out of the forests of celestial might the lion of indomitable strength whose roaring is like unto the peals of thunder reverberating in the mountains. However, since Our loving providence surpasseth all things, We have ordained that complete victory should be achieved through speech and utterance, that Our servants throughout the earth may thereby become the recipients of divine good."--Tablets of Baha'u'llah, pp 197-198

As to those who refuse to believe because they insist that Baha'u'llah has not fulfilled prophecy according to their literal understanding, to them He says:

"Say, O ye foolish ones! Wait ye even as those before you are waiting!" --Kitab-i-Iqan, p 83
 
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1844 = 1260 = 2300 = one

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"So vast is its range that it hath encompassed all men ere their recognition of it. Ere long will its sovereign power, its pervasive influence and the greatness of
its might be manifested on earth." --Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p 200

"When the victory arriveth, every man shall profess himself as believer and shall hasten to the shelter of God’s Faith. Happy are they who in the days of world-encompassing trials have stood fast in the Cause and refused to swerve from its truth." --Baha'u'llah, Gleanings, p 319

"Say: If it be Our pleasure We shall render the Cause victorious through the power of a single word from Our presence. He is in truth the Omnipotent, the All-Compelling. Should it be God’s intention, there would appear out of the forests of celestial might the lion of indomitable strength whose roaring is like unto the peals of thunder reverberating in the mountains. However, since Our loving providence surpasseth all things, We have ordained that complete victory should be achieved through speech and utterance, that Our servants throughout the earth may thereby become the recipients of divine good."--Tablets of Baha'u'llah, pp 197-198

As to those who refuse to believe because they insist that Baha'u'llah has not fulfilled prophecy according to their literal understanding, to them He says:

"Say, O ye foolish ones! Wait ye even as those before you are waiting!" --Kitab-i-Iqan, p 83
. Please pray for this Adventist minister, Nat Fajardo, who publishes an email reaching thousands around the world. I am sharing a letter I wrote to him this past hour in response to his "Friday Morning Manna", in which he asserts that no time prophey extends beyond 1844 (2300 days/year prophecy of Daniel)
He is one of the divines whom Baha'u'llah speaks of who hold sway over his followers, and shall soon be called to account. He has a bad heart (physically), but a good heart (spiritually), yet clings to standard Adventist interpretation to the letter...
(Please bear in mind that in sharing this with you there is not personal intent other than to keep you abreast of this dialogue with him. A week ago he mentioned the Baha'i Faith in conjunction with 1844)

Dear Nat,
I hope you are well, and thank you for continuing to include me in your email list. Your analysis is always thought provoking and informative.

You know that ever since we did that 6 month Bible study at Virgi's, you have always been in my mind and on my heart, for I know that you are one of God's servants.

We hold in common the belief in One God, Lord of the Kingdoms of earth and heaven. We share the belief that He sent us His Prophets and Messengers, among them Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, as well as the Lesser Prophets of the Old Testament, and John the Baptist, killed for preparing the way for Christ.

As a Baha'i, the time prophecies of Daniel based upon the 2300 days (years) conclude with the year 1844 AD. We share that as well, and the 70 weeks prophecies indicating when Messiah would be "cut off", or crucified.

For over two years I regularly attended the Adventist Church in Forest Falls, until I moved down the mountain to Yucaipa a year and a half ago. I've visited five other Adventist Churches over the years, responding to the invitation of friends. Many other churches over the years have brought me in commonion with so many of God's servants that I cannot count them all.

In my youth, I had a very strong draw to understand the religions of the world, from the Lakota Sioux on the Reservation in South Dakota where I grew up, to Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, and Muslim. This is not a passing fancy, but a sincere effort and desire to come to know and appreciate the beliefs and understanding of men, all made in the image of God.

What occurred in my mind when I read this mornng's Manna, was the assertion that all time prophecies ended in 1844 at the conclusion of the 2300 days. From the perspective of current Adventist belief, which interprets the 1260, 1280, 1290 prophecies of Daniel to have hinged upon the sins of Catholic domination and abuse dating from events of 538 AD onward, conclusions were drawn that 1260 years following, i.e. 1798, the prophecy was fulfilled, along with certain events occuring 20 and 30 years later.

As previously mentioned in conversations, this completely dismisses Islam and discards as coincidence the historical reality of the year 1260 AH being equal to 1844 AD. How, otherwise, can this be dismissed, exept as coincidence?

Similarly, if this be mere coincidence (1260 = 1844), then it must likewise be conincidence any further dates proceeding from this, such as 1280 AH being equal to the year 1863 AD. If it is more than coincidence, the significance of these dates must bear out historically and Biblically referenced. In short, something else must add up to further reassure any evidence of the time prophecies.

History does record, as you are aware, the Declaration of the Bab in Elam, where Daniel had his great vision, in the year 1844 AD (1260 AH), followed by His execution in 1850, and the Declaration of Baha'u'llah in the year 1863 (1280 AH), which date is precisely 1290 lunar years following the public Declaration of Muhammad ten years prior to the Hijra.

"If" Islam is no mere coincidence correlating these time prophecies of Daniel, as well as the Book of Revelation confirming 1260 and the Two Witnesses, then the implications require further examination independent of all prior human interpretation. "If" these Two Witnesses mentioned are in fact, as Abdul Baha asserts in Some Answered Questions, Muhammad and His Successor Ali, holding similar position to Moses and Joshua, then coincidence must be rejected in favor of further investigation of the claims of the Bab and Baha'u'llah (the Gate and the Glory of God).

With great respect and in anticipation of your thoughtful and fair response,
God bless you, as always,
your brother in Christ, in Whom I believe,
Dale Ramsdell
 
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. Please pray for this Adventist minister, Nat Fajardo, who publishes an email reaching thousands around the world. I am sharing a letter I wrote to him this past hour in response to his "Friday Morning Manna", in which he asserts that no time prophey extends beyond 1844 (2300 days/year prophecy of Daniel)
He is one of the divines whom Baha'u'llah speaks of who hold sway over his followers, and shall soon be called to account. He has a bad heart (physically), but a good heart (spiritually), yet clings to standard Adventist interpretation to the letter...
(Please bear in mind that in sharing this with you there is not personal intent other than to keep you abreast of this dialogue with him. A week ago he mentioned the Baha'i Faith in conjunction with 1844)

Dear Nat,
I hope you are well, and thank you for continuing to include me in your email list. Your analysis is always thought provoking and informative.

You know that ever since we did that 6 month Bible study at Virgi's, you have always been in my mind and on my heart, for I know that you are one of God's servants.

We hold in common the belief in One God, Lord of the Kingdoms of earth and heaven. We share the belief that He sent us His Prophets and Messengers, among them Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, as well as the Lesser Prophets of the Old Testament, and John the Baptist, killed for preparing the way for Christ.

As a Baha'i, the time prophecies of Daniel based upon the 2300 days (years) conclude with the year 1844 AD. We share that as well, and the 70 weeks prophecies indicating when Messiah would be "cut off", or crucified.

For over two years I regularly attended the Adventist Church in Forest Falls, until I moved down the mountain to Yucaipa a year and a half ago. I've visited five other Adventist Churches over the years, responding to the invitation of friends. Many other churches over the years have brought me in commonion with so many of God's servants that I cannot count them all.

In my youth, I had a very strong draw to understand the religions of the world, from the Lakota Sioux on the Reservation in South Dakota where I grew up, to Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, and Muslim. This is not a passing fancy, but a sincere effort and desire to come to know and appreciate the beliefs and understanding of men, all made in the image of God.

What occurred in my mind when I read this mornng's Manna, was the assertion that all time prophecies ended in 1844 at the conclusion of the 2300 days. From the perspective of current Adventist belief, which interprets the 1260, 1280, 1290 prophecies of Daniel to have hinged upon the sins of Catholic domination and abuse dating from events of 538 AD onward, conclusions were drawn that 1260 years following, i.e. 1798, the prophecy was fulfilled, along with certain events occuring 20 and 30 years later.

As previously mentioned in conversations, this completely dismisses Islam and discards as coincidence the historical reality of the year 1260 AH being equal to 1844 AD. How, otherwise, can this be dismissed, exept as coincidence?

Similarly, if this be mere coincidence (1260 = 1844), then it must likewise be conincidence any further dates proceeding from this, such as 1280 AH being equal to the year 1863 AD. If it is more than coincidence, the significance of these dates must bear out historically and Biblically referenced. In short, something else must add up to further reassure any evidence of the time prophecies.

History does record, as you are aware, the Declaration of the Bab in Elam, where Daniel had his great vision, in the year 1844 AD (1260 AH), followed by His execution in 1850, and the Declaration of Baha'u'llah in the year 1863 (1280 AH), which date is precisely 1290 lunar years following the public Declaration of Muhammad ten years prior to the Hijra.

"If" Islam is no mere coincidence correlating these time prophecies of Daniel, as well as the Book of Revelation confirming 1260 and the Two Witnesses, then the implications require further examination independent of all prior human interpretation. "If" these Two Witnesses mentioned are in fact, as Abdul Baha asserts in Some Answered Questions, Muhammad and His Successor Ali, holding similar position to Moses and Joshua, then coincidence must be rejected in favor of further investigation of the claims of the Bab and Baha'u'llah (the Gate and the Glory of God).

With great respect and in anticipation of your thoughtful and fair response,
God bless you, as always,
your brother in Christ, in Whom I believe,
Dale Ramsdell
you are in my prayers Dale
 
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you are in my prayers Dale
Dear fellow Baha'i teachers,
Having just subscribed to the 7th Day Adventist Forum, my introductory post is in their forum link below.
Should anyone wish to enter into careful, thoughtful, considerate dialogues with tact and wisdom, the link follows:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/...8DC0VBTV8L24V2

Look for the topic 1260 AH = 1844 AD = 1

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Thanks Dale will watch how it progresses.

We had a great extension teaching night on the educational process. A few very keen to start and some wanting to become Bahais. Tomorrow they want the presentation again and they will bring a lot more along!

The children, a dozen or so sang songs and said prayers, all friends of the Faith. Such capacity here in the Solomon Islands!

God bless all teaching Regards Tony
 
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Dear Tony I've always been aware of how active the Spirit is in less affluent countries. I firmly believe that this is because people are not distracted by worldliness
 
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