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Old 09-15-2017, 05:30 PM   #1
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My short story on how I found the faith

Raised a muslim. Questioned my faith inside and out and found some loop holes so left.I've searched all religions.all schools of thought (most) even them wierd conspiracy theories. I've searched everywhere. I found the bhagvad Gita it made so much sense... But then I found out it was not written by God (which I had thought) but by a key figure of the faith I was heartbroken I needed something from GOD! Hurt depressed and fearful of the meaning of life/existance. My only hope was my distant memory of a man who claimed to be a prophet let me read his works ... No more to be said after reading the majestical powerful words in the kitab I aqdas. I am a follower, a Baha'i for the creator of all has guidance for me this is worth more to me then the whole world and anything anyone can offer me. There is power in the teachings my friends, keep reading the words of bahahullah everyday my friends it will keep your spirits a light. The believers are the most equipped in this world. Peace my fellows. Keep the faith.
 
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Old 09-15-2017, 07:19 PM   #2
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Yousef,

I've enjoyed your other posts. I too loved the Bhagvad Gita though it's been a while. I really liked the Hindu veneration of Shiva in the more monotheistic approaches.

I read the Quran more recently and was very influenced by it. It's a beautiful scripture and Mohammad (PBUH) is an example to us all in riding ourselves of idolatry and submitting to God alone.

I look forward to chatting more with you!
 
Old 09-15-2017, 09:26 PM   #3
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Raised a muslim. Questioned my faith inside and out and found some loop holes so left.I've searched all religions.all schools of thought (most) even them wierd conspiracy theories. I've searched everywhere. I found the bhagvad Gita it made so much sense... But then I found out it was not written by God (which I had thought) but by a key figure of the faith I was heartbroken I needed something from GOD! Hurt depressed and fearful of the meaning of life/existance. My only hope was my distant memory of a man who claimed to be a prophet let me read his works ... No more to be said after reading the majestical powerful words in the kitab I aqdas. I am a follower, a Baha'i for the creator of all has guidance for me this is worth more to me then the whole world and anything anyone can offer me. There is power in the teachings my friends, keep reading the words of bahahullah everyday my friends it will keep your spirits a light. The believers are the most equipped in this world. Peace my fellows. Keep the faith.
Good on you; well done. Yes we must immerse ourselves in the ocean of Gods Words, they are our light and life.

May your journey be full of discovery and may that discovery lead to greater strength in Faith.

Allah'u'abha and regards Tony
 
Old 09-15-2017, 10:23 PM   #4
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very interesting. in my search to find the truth, I, too, was introduced to Gitas and Sutras. that is very good, because they make us ready to be able to put aside all out old beliefs.
 
Old 09-16-2017, 08:50 AM   #5
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Yousef,

I've enjoyed your other posts. I too loved the Bhagvad Gita though it's been a while. I really liked the Hindu veneration of Shiva in the more monotheistic approaches.

I read the Quran more recently and was very influenced by it. It's a beautiful scripture and Mohammad (PBUH) is an example to us all in riding ourselves of idolatry and submitting to God alone.

I look forward to chatting more with you!

Thank you my friend, I liked your thread to that was true for me to. I hope to interact more to, I hope God blesses your journey in this world and the next my friend
 
Old 09-16-2017, 08:51 AM   #6
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Good on you; well done. Yes we must immerse ourselves in the ocean of Gods Words, they are our light and life.

May your journey be full of discovery and may that discovery lead to greater strength in Faith.

Allah'u'abha and regards Tony
Thank you tony, may God bless you for your kind words and keep you firm in your faith
 
Old 09-16-2017, 08:52 AM   #7
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very interesting. in my search to find the truth, I, too, was introduced to Gitas and Sutras. that is very good, because they make us ready to be able to put aside all out old beliefs.
Yes maryam I agree. Thank you for reading my post, may God bless you
 
Old 09-16-2017, 09:29 PM   #8
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... No more to be said after reading the majestical powerful words in the kitab I aqdas. I am a follower, a Baha'i for the creator of all has guidance for me this is worth more to me then the whole world and anything anyone can offer me. There is power in the teachings my friends, keep reading the words of bahahullah everyday my friends it will keep your spirits a light. The believers are the most equipped in this world. Peace my fellows. Keep the faith.
I remember you from Planet Baha’i, if I am not mistaken... I was under a different handle there.

Unlike you, I was not a seeker when I found the Baha’i Faith decades ago... I just stumbled upon it and knew it was the truth right away because of the teachings... I did not think much about God back then because I was so young and I was not raised in any religion...

Now that I am much older I think about God a lot, in fact that is the only thing I think about anymore, or care about. I am very logical, so given what Baha’u’llah wrote, I know that God is the only thing that really matters in this life:

“The beginning of all things is the knowledge of God, and the end of all things is strict observance of whatsoever hath been sent down from the empyrean of the Divine Will that pervadeth all that is in the heavens and all that is on the earth.” Gleanings, p. 5

I am writing the following to you but it is also for any other Baha’i who wants to respond and perhaps give me some advice.

I spend all my free time posting to nonbelievers, hoping that maybe even one of them will come to the realization that there is a God, or perhaps recognize Baha’u’llah, but after three years on forums not one single atheist has changed their position... That is okay though, because most of these are good people and they now know a lot about the Baha’i Faith. Until the last few months I was met with a lot of resistance on the main forum I post on, but it has gradually changed and only occasionally do I hear anything negative about the Baha’i Faith or Baha’u’llah. I feel very good about this because it was really terrible for about two years, as I was met with constant attacks on the Faith.

Once in a while I post to Baha’is, which is one reason I came over here... The other reason is that all day long I have been dealing with an atheist who believes that if God existed, God should communicate directly to everyone, because all alleged messengers represent imaginary gods. He calls Baha’u’llah Bagdad Bob... I really should just not post to him anymore because he is so arrogant and disrespectful of me and of Baha’u’llah and God... He says that if a God used a messenger and got bad results, as far as the message getting out and being believed, then, in order to avoid blame for the bad results, God would be a need to come up with excuses for that.

Can you even imagine that!? A God that needs excuses for what He does? There is no reasoning with this man and this has been going on for about three years, off and on. Tonight, the final straw was when he said that conceivably a God could exist that's not infallible and that no Baha’is could be rational. It was at that point that I decided I was not going to respond to him on one forum anymore, but I will still respond to him on another forum, at least for now.

He cannot see how humans are responsible for anything at all, everything is God’s fault. He thinks he is the king of logic but he is completely illogical and the most arrogant person I have ever met in my entire life... Not even any atheists agree with him, but he still thinks he is right about everything. He does nothing but insult me constantly. What is wrong with me that I cannot cut this man off?

I don’t know why I decided to tell this story, except that I am in tears having to deal with this man and I don’t know why I can’t just ignore him completely... I guess I just needed to be somewhere where there are other Baha’is because I feel like I am losing my mind.

Meanwhile, there are some other atheists I am posting to who I think really want to know if there is a God, so I feel somewhat hopeful about that. Maybe I should just ignore this other man and not feel guilty about it.

Thanks for listening.
 
Old 09-17-2017, 04:52 AM   #9
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He cannot see how humans are responsible for anything at all, everything is God’s fault.
Let me guess... he insists that God should make everything "perfect" for us, while simultaneously lambasting God for being too controlling? Just a guess. I never could figure out the logic of that line of reasoning, but it seems to be very common.
 
Old 09-17-2017, 07:41 AM   #10
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I remember you from Planet Baha’i, if I am not mistaken... I was under a different handle there.

Unlike you, I was not a seeker when I found the Baha’i Faith decades ago... I just stumbled upon it and knew it was the truth right away because of the teachings... I did not think much about God back then because I was so young and I was not raised in any religion...

Now that I am much older I think about God a lot, in fact that is the only thing I think about anymore, or care about. I am very logical, so given what Baha’u’llah wrote, I know that God is the only thing that really matters in this life:

“The beginning of all things is the knowledge of God, and the end of all things is strict observance of whatsoever hath been sent down from the empyrean of the Divine Will that pervadeth all that is in the heavens and all that is on the earth.” Gleanings, p. 5

I am writing the following to you but it is also for any other Baha’i who wants to respond and perhaps give me some advice.

I spend all my free time posting to nonbelievers, hoping that maybe even one of them will come to the realization that there is a God, or perhaps recognize Baha’u’llah, but after three years on forums not one single atheist has changed their position... That is okay though, because most of these are good people and they now know a lot about the Baha’i Faith. Until the last few months I was met with a lot of resistance on the main forum I post on, but it has gradually changed and only occasionally do I hear anything negative about the Baha’i Faith or Baha’u’llah. I feel very good about this because it was really terrible for about two years, as I was met with constant attacks on the Faith.

Once in a while I post to Baha’is, which is one reason I came over here... The other reason is that all day long I have been dealing with an atheist who believes that if God existed, God should communicate directly to everyone, because all alleged messengers represent imaginary gods. He calls Baha’u’llah Bagdad Bob... I really should just not post to him anymore because he is so arrogant and disrespectful of me and of Baha’u’llah and God... He says that if a God used a messenger and got bad results, as far as the message getting out and being believed, then, in order to avoid blame for the bad results, God would be a need to come up with excuses for that.

Can you even imagine that!? A God that needs excuses for what He does? There is no reasoning with this man and this has been going on for about three years, off and on. Tonight, the final straw was when he said that conceivably a God could exist that's not infallible and that no Baha’is could be rational. It was at that point that I decided I was not going to respond to him on one forum anymore, but I will still respond to him on another forum, at least for now.

He cannot see how humans are responsible for anything at all, everything is God’s fault. He thinks he is the king of logic but he is completely illogical and the most arrogant person I have ever met in my entire life... Not even any atheists agree with him, but he still thinks he is right about everything. He does nothing but insult me constantly. What is wrong with me that I cannot cut this man off?

I don’t know why I decided to tell this story, except that I am in tears having to deal with this man and I don’t know why I can’t just ignore him completely... I guess I just needed to be somewhere where there are other Baha’is because I feel like I am losing my mind.

Meanwhile, there are some other atheists I am posting to who I think really want to know if there is a God, so I feel somewhat hopeful about that. Maybe I should just ignore this other man and not feel guilty about it.

Thanks for listening.
Relax u can't convince everyone. Some people Allah has blinded their vision literally for whatever reason.
 
Old 09-17-2017, 12:40 PM   #11
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Let me guess... he insists that God should make everything "perfect" for us, while simultaneously lambasting God for being too controlling? Just a guess. I never could figure out the logic of that line of reasoning, but it seems to be very common.
No it is not exactly that, but you are in the ball park... Here is how it goes... God is omnipotent so God should communicate directly to everyone so everyone will believe in God.

The part of the omnipotence that he “misses” is that since God is omnipotent, God can do anything He darn well pleases, so if God chooses not to communicate directly to everyone he is up the creek without a paddle.

I asked him if God had more than one attribute, omnipotence, and he called that a red herring...

He won’t admit that God is omniscient because the logical implication is that God knows more than he does, so sending messengers would have to be a better method of communication than direct communication to everyone.

What was funny is when I asked him how God could communicate the equivalent of the 15,000 tablets Baha’u’llah wrote to EVERYONE; how would everyone be able to understand them and write them all down... To that he said I was just making excuses, which is what he always says when he had no answers. ;-)
 
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