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Old 12-09-2017, 05:43 PM   #1
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Shalom

Shalom

I hope it is OK for me to post here.

My name is Mordecai and I am a practicing Jew, albeit unaffiliated with any specific Jewish movement.

I have been studying the Baha’i Faith for a while now and certain ideas leapt out at me. These would be:

‘Time, times and half a time’ – 1260 years, and 1260 lunar years after the Hijrah is 1844;
Daniel 8:14 clearly points to 1844;
Zoroastrian writings say of a time of 1200 and some years after the beginning of Islam a saoshyant (saviour) would come, which could point to 1844, or at least round about that time;
Religion seems to be progressively revealed, and I feel a tad uncomfortable with ‘exclusive revelation’, you could say, or ethnic religions. All religions have a common goal (be a good person) so it makes sense to believe that religions continue to progress and humans gain a bit more knowledge of spiritual and ethical principles as time continues;
Judaism and Christianity permit the consumption of alcohol. I don’t drink alcohol and it has no redeeming health qualities, so why are Jews allowed to drink it?;
The Hebrew Bible says little on the subject of life after death, and the ideas of other religions of an eternal fiery hell make me somewhat uneasy, while the Baha’i view makes a lot of moral sense;
In Genesis 2:21-22 it says man and woman are equal, yet most religions believe in male supremacy;
In Karaite Judaism man and woman are equal, but Karaite Judaism has a view that every Karaite must ‘search the Scripture well and not rely on another’s opinion’ and come to their own conclusions. This is contradicted by the last verse of Judges which says all must follow the laws according to what God says and interprets. This leaves me somewhat conflicted;
Karaite Jews, Muslims and the Baha’is believe in prostration in prayer. I do too, yet Christianity does not teach such a law, from what I know;
The various religions of the world are divided into smaller movements, yet I see unity within the Baha’i Faith;
The various religions’ prophecies all seem to point to the same time period, which shows they are united by a common thread;
I believe all people are equal in all ways, and it makes no sense to believe in national, spiritual or religious superiority;
To me, it matters more that you are a good person than what you believe in. What I mean by that is, so long as you obey some simple moral laws, such as don’t kill or steal, sensible laws like those, that will count more than faith to a point, whether you have faith in one religion or another or none at all. I have believed in a form of universal redemption for over a decade, as it makes more sense than an exclusive knowledge of Truth or being a member of a certain faith would get you into the Heavens.

Sorry for the long and complicated message. Again, I hope it is OK to post here and to post such a topic. I am in contact with local Baha’is but thought I would post here. I am still searching and learning. There may be other reasons I haven’t detailed above, but they are the main points I wanted to share.

Thank you for reading.
 
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Old 12-09-2017, 05:49 PM   #2
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Welcome! Excellent post very enlightening, may The truth be found from your seeking .. Seems like you are well on your way ! Can I ask how you initially heard of the Baha'i faith?
 
Old 12-09-2017, 05:51 PM   #3
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Thank you for the welcome. Also, thank you for saying my post was enlightening. I find I am being drawn more to the Baha'i Faith as time goes on. I'll see where God leads me.

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Old 12-09-2017, 06:09 PM   #4
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How did you hear of the faith initially?
 
Old 12-09-2017, 06:13 PM   #5
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Sorry...

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Welcome! Excellent post very enlightening, may The truth be found from your seeking .. Seems like you are well on your way ! Can I ask how you initially heard of the Baha'i faith?
Sorry for a second reply. I forgot your question to me.

The Baha'i Faith is something I learnt about randomly on the internet back in 2008, but I didn't look into it further.

It was last year that I started thinking that Zoroaster could be a prophet of God. I knew I couldn't believe in both Zoroaster and the Jewish prophets (Zoroastrianism or Judaism), so I looked for a faith that would allow all prophets: this led to the Baha'i Faith. I can identify with Baha'i beliefs in many ways. I find much enlightenment, sense and hope in the Baha'i Faith that I didn't before.

Again, sorry for not answering your question before.
 
Old 12-09-2017, 06:33 PM   #6
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Don't be sorry my friend you are already a Baha'i as your mannerisms say so .. May God bless you brother .. God has guided you! I wish you well in your journey I'm always here for questions or so ! I also found the faith very recently upon my seeking of the truth.. Happy swimming in the ocean of paradise
 
Old 12-09-2017, 06:49 PM   #7
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Thank you, that's kind of you to say.

I have a number of Baha'i books I have purchased in the last few months, but I don't know where to start. The local Baha'i community said to read the Kitab-i-Aqdas (which I have a copy of), but I have also noticed a Kitab-i-Iqan (which I don't have a copy of).

To me Truth is like water: it flows, carves new paths and goes forward. That's my perception of faith, so Truth would continue to be progressively revealed through time.

I don't know how to break such news to my family were I to make a decision to be a Baha'i (which looks ever more likely as times goes on: I'm very close, but I feel I need to read the Baha'i writings more). The writings of Baha'u'llah are numerous. I also have a book of selected writings from the Bab.

As regards to Messiah: he must be preceded by a Forerunner, Elijah, and that would be John the Baptist of Jesus' day and the Bab of Baha'u'llah's day. I also have read that Jesus said he would be known by another name when he came back.
 
Old 12-10-2017, 03:46 AM   #8
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Shalom!!

I'm glad you found us. I studied Judaism and attended a local reform synagogue but and I consider myself a Noahide. I recently declared Baha'i.

We have a chat server of a few Bahais, many newly declared. I think you'd enjoy it.
Bahá'ís of the Internet | Discord Bahá'í Community

As far as your parents, you shouldn't feel like you are pressured to declare. The whole point of progressive revelation is the value and unity of all faiths. You don't need to be a card carrying Baha'i to follow God or even to believe in the Bab and Baha'u'llah. Yet, declaring for some can be the most significant day if their life. My own experience is something in between.
 
Old 12-11-2017, 07:11 AM   #9
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Judaism and Christianity permit the consumption of alcohol. I don’t drink alcohol and it has no redeeming health qualities, so why are Jews allowed to drink it?;
Thousands of years ago, clean water wasn't something easy to come by, so alcoholic drinks make sense for that time period at least, since alcohol can kill bacteria.

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In Genesis 2:21-22 it says man and woman are equal, yet most religions believe in male supremacy;
Yeah, someone tried to explain that to me once. They believed men were superior because Adam was created in God's Image and Eve was created from Adam's Rib, therefore they thought she was not in God's Image and therefore God was a male.

They had no reply when I pointed out that Genesis actually says the both were created in God's image...

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Sorry for the long and complicated message. Again, I hope it is OK to post here and to post such a topic. I am in contact with local Baha’is but thought I would post here. I am still searching and learning. There may be other reasons I haven’t detailed above, but they are the main points I wanted to share.

Thank you for reading.
Welcome!!
 
Old 12-11-2017, 11:41 AM   #10
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Welcome to the forum of seekers and believers!

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In Genesis 2:21-22 it says man and woman are equal, yet most religions believe in male supremacy;
In Karaite Judaism man and woman are equal, but Karaite Judaism has a view that every Karaite must ‘search the Scripture well and not rely on another’s opinion’ and come to their own conclusions. This is contradicted by the last verse of Judges which says all must follow the laws according to what God says and interprets. This leaves me somewhat conflicted;
May it be of a deepening in your own Judaic background, among the rabbinical mystics is the study of "abgad", the hidden meaning of words and Names.

Adam is ADM which equals 1 (A) + 4 (D) + 40 (M) and equals 45.
Eve, in Holy Text is HUA (HVA or HWA) and is 8 (H.) + 6 (U) + 1 (A) and equals 15.

15 is one third of 45, hence, "from the rib of Adam", is associated with 1/3 of the central pillar of Adam, the feminine side of the soul of Adam.

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Old 12-12-2017, 05:25 AM   #11
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Sorry for a late reply

Sorry for a late reply. I have been on the Discord Baha'i community site recently.

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Thousands of years ago, clean water wasn't something easy to come by, so alcoholic drinks make sense for that time period at least, since alcohol can kill bacteria.
Oh right. I see your point. Thank you for explaining.

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Yeah, someone tried to explain that to me once. They believed men were superior because Adam was created in God's Image and Eve was created from Adam's Rib, therefore they thought she was not in God's Image and therefore God was a male.

They had no reply when I pointed out that Genesis actually says the both were created in God's image...

Welcome!!
Thank you for welcoming me. The reason that we can tell that God made man and woman equal in Genesis is due to the part of the body that Eve was made from.

The reason for this is simple: if God made Eve from a bone of Adam's foot it would have implied that woman is under man; if Eve had been made from a part of Adam's head it would have implied that woman is over man; however, the rib is more or less centre, and at the side of the body: hence side-by-side, total equality of the sexes.

At least, that's my interpretation.
 
Old 12-12-2017, 05:30 AM   #12
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Welcome to the forum of seekers and believers!
Thank you.

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May it be of a deepening in your own Judaic background, among the rabbinical mystics is the study of "abgad", the hidden meaning of words and Names.

Adam is ADM which equals 1 (A) + 4 (D) + 40 (M) and equals 45.
Eve, in Holy Text is HUA (HVA or HWA) and is 8 (H.) + 6 (U) + 1 (A) and equals 15.

15 is one third of 45, hence, "from the rib of Adam", is associated with 1/3 of the central pillar of Adam, the feminine side of the soul of Adam.
I admit that's not something I knew or was taught by anyone about the gematria of 'Adam' and 'Chava'. I don't study so deeply into gematria: to me some of it could lead to 'Bible codes' which I think are not real. It's interesting though.
 
Old 12-18-2017, 03:13 PM   #13
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Greetings.

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Zoroastrian writings say of a time of 1200 and some years after the beginning of Islam a saoshyant (saviour) would come, which could point to 1844, or at least round about that time;
I have seen this prophecy quoted on some Baha'i websites, but was unable to know if it's authentic. I think i remember that on some Zoroastrian forum*, this prophecy was deemed as forgery, but God knows best.
Do you have a source for this one ?
 
Old 12-19-2017, 09:06 AM   #14
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Greetings.



I have seen this prophecy quoted on some Baha'i websites, but was unable to know if it's authentic. I think i remember that on some Zoroastrian forum*, this prophecy was deemed as forgery, but God knows best.
Do you have a source for this one ?
Hello

I think that prophecy was quoted on the 'Prophecy Fulfilled' website. It isn't on there anymore, so I don't have a source for the prophecy. Sorry. It could be in the Dinkard or the Bundahishn. I have an English translation of the latter, so I will look it up. If the Zoroastrians think it is a forgery, it may be made up, I don't know. I shall do some research and get back to you on that. Apologies that I can't back up it up.
 
Old 12-19-2017, 04:12 PM   #15
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There is a similar one in the fifth Sassan's Letter of the Zoroaster Book
 
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