Questioner1

Hi Everyone,

There is a story about Abdul Baha in Akka. It is about an Arab (woman?) who used to throw garbage at him when he passed in front of her house. It happened that for a few days she was not throwing garbage. Upon inquiring he was told that the woman is sick. Then Abdul Baha visited her and showed her kindness.

I need the source of this story and its complete version.

Thank you for your help.

Questioner1

I posted this question nine days ago and still there is no response. I see this story is falsely attributed to Prophet Muhammad and it is all over the Internet. It is a bit twisted of course. The Islamic version says that a Jew used to throw garbage at Muhammad. I know for a fact this story could not have happened to Muhammad. Apart from the fact that you cannot find it in any hadith, Jews did not live in Mecca and the Jews of Medina were terrified of Muhammad. He assassinated anyone who criticized him. He also beheaded the men who threw garbage at him in Mecca years later, when he captured them in the Battle of Badr. This tale simply does not fit the vindictive character of Muhammad.

I remember this story when reading about the life of Abdul Baha, and it does fit his character. I need its source. I am writing a book debunking the myths about Muhammad and I know this story is plagiarized from Baha’i scriptures. Please if you know a Baha’i scholar, ask him about it or put him in contact with me. I really appreciate your help.

Essence of GOD

ive heard of this story about abdulbaha before from my mother as she was telling me about the book she was reading. i will ask her tomorrow what book it was, although the book was written in Farsi.

Zhang

Questioner, what kind of LSD are you using?

Mecca was a critical trading post, a literal melting pot of religions. Jews, Christians, and the many different forms of polygamy existed within it's borders, as it was a critical point along the silk road. This is a well documented historical fact.

Muhammad assinated those who didn't agree with him? When he reclaimed Mecca he spared the polygamists who had occupied the city, an act of mercy unheard of anywhere in the Eastern world. (Including Europe)

As his empire spread, Jews and Christians were allowed to keep their religions, and were also permitted to pray in the Muslim mosques. Many non-Muslims came to Muhammad for assistance as he was a skilled general and politician. This tolerance led the groundwork for a boom in science and literature in the Middle East, a previously violent and tribal region, while Christian Europe drowned in the early middle ages.

When Islam spread and the Muslims conquered India, the Muslim population remained in the miniority, and the Hindu/Buddhist religions were allowed.

Please, don't write your book of lies. Everything I have said is unanimously agreed upon by Historians. You don't sound very educated, or researched. I would assume you spend most of your hours on hardcore christian propaganda sites.

Now as for the story, it's possible that a few vindictive people took the story and claimed that it happened to the Prophet. (If what you say is true, and it is not in the Hadiths). Most likely done to push back against the growth of the Baha'i faith. It is unfortunate when people try to twist the facts in order to drive their hateful agenda. Wait a minute... >.>

Trololol. Look who's talking. Your arguments are devoid of fact and you use hatred to fill the gap.

If you came here, asking sincerely with a legitimate reason, I would have entertained your question. But it is clear you are ignorant, and I pity you for that. Read a history textbook, and not the one put out by the Creation Museum.

By the way, the people here see Muhammad as a prophet too.

So sad to see such poor education in Canada. At least you still have cheap meds!

Essence of GOD

she said the book was "Khaterate noh saleh" or "Memories of 9 years"

Questioner1

Thank you Essence of God. Yes I think I read it from Khaterat. Can you give me the page? Also I don't have that book, is it possible that you quote the text verbatim? In Persian is fine.

Essence of GOD

sorry, i don't have the book

Questioner1

Don't worry. If only you can give me the name of the author and the publisher and date of publication it would be great. Also was it an Arab man or a woman? Maybe you can ask these from your mother on the phone.

Thank you for the help. I really appreciate it.

Questioner1

Can I find this book online? It is okay if it is in Persian. Is there an online Baha'i library I could access?

Zhang

No response to the arguments I raised?

Questioner1

Dear Zhang

Your insults were so loud that I could not hear your argument.

I have no desire to zhang with anyone. I am a man of peace.

Cheers

Zhang

After reviewing my post, it seems it was prety fiery. Sorry!

Please address these points:

1. You claim no Jews lived in Mecca. This is not true as it is a documented historical fact that Jews did in fact live in Mecca, along with Christians and Polygamists as it was a pivotal stop along the silk road.

2. You say that Muhammad assassinated those who didn't agree. This is not true because when Muhammad's army retook Mecca, he spared everyone in the town, destroying only the idols in the Kabba. Christianity also flourished under Islamic rule, with Christians and Jews being permitted to use the local Mosques for their Sunday worship.

And again, even when India was ruled by the Muslims, their religion was still in the minority.

3. You say that Muhammad beheaded his enemies after the Battle of Badr. The beheading you refer to is of a single man, Nadr bin Harith. Only one person makes mention of this act, and it is from a Hadith plagued by hearsay (someone heard someone say that someone said that the brother of Saifur Rahman al Mubarakpuri said that Saifur said that Nadir was executed) and therefore not to be considered as proof or evidence of this claim. Scholars are also unaware of who Nadr bin Harith was, and no outside sources mention this execution.

Please address these claims. A qualified historian would not write a book that is based on vague hearsay and untrue premises, am I right?

Looking forward to your response.

-张

Questioner1

Hi Zhang,

Apology accepted. This forum is to promote the Baha'i faith. I came here only to ask for the source of a story and set the records right and I have no intention of derailing your discussions. If you wish to debate me you may visit my site alisina.org read a few of my articles and then we can debate.

Cheers

Ali Sina

tonyfish58

Not easy to find, so the story may not be so. The net is full of recycled untruths/stories

Maybe this could be something page 219 and 220 of this document - http://bahaistudies.net/bahaiworks/M...ranslation.pdf

Regards Tony

Questioner1

The reason you don't find it on the net is because this story is not translated and not on the net. But it is in the book of Khaterat. I know it is there because I read it there. I was familiar with this story and I was shocked to see how it is being shamelessly plagiarized and attributed the most vindictive and evil man that ever walked the Earth. These people kill the Baha'is and vilify Abdul Baha but have no scruples stealing his stories and shamelessly taking ownership of them.

Whether you agree with my statements about Muhammad or not, I am sure you agree with me that this plagiarism must stop and the truth about this story must be exposed. The credit for this story must go to Abdul Baha and not to an impostor.

All I need is the name of the author of the book Khaterat-e noh saleh, the year it was published, (It must be 100 years old), the page and the publisher and whether this Arab was a man or a woman? I read it a long time ago and it was a borrowed book. I don't remember the details and I did not think it will be important to me one day.

Sen McGlinn

Memories of Nine Years in 'Akka (Persian Edition)
by Youness Afroukhteh

Memories of Nine Years in 'Akka (Persian Edition): Youness Afroukhteh,null: 9780853984771: Amazon.com: Books

However I do not remember that story there. There is the story of Mrs Ramsay the missionary, but that's too different to be confused

Iconodule

Zhang, don't forget to mention that when the islamic empires spread that Chrsitians were to feel themnselves subdeued and submissive to the islamic authorities and pay a special tax, they were not entitled equal rights, anyone who converted to Christianity from islam was killed, Like Saint Abu of Tisli. They encroached on Christian lands, stealing them, taking away prized and glorious churches and corrupting them for unholy worship of Allah. So don't mislead anyone. And you don;t know the first thing about medievil europe other than what is the common myth about the dark ages. They were not as dark as one might think and there was scholarship still developing in thise part of the world and things getting better. It was not a golden age of islam.

But consider this, that when muslims invaded constantinople (out of a greedy need for land and power) and the greek Christian scholars fled to the west with their sources and knowledge whcih sparked the renaissonce. Islam stopped developing, as soon as the west held power against them and stopped them from invading their lands, islam's lands became destitute while the Christian lands flourished. In fact muslims are still stuck in the boonies.

Zhang

Icon, to prevent derailing this thread, I will address your hateful comments in a private message. Please look for it.

Iconodule

You derailed it with your comments.

tonyfish58

Questioner1 - Ali Sina - Life is full of injustice at this time. God does as He wills to stop the hand of the oppressor.

Abdul'baha lived His life without complaint and also never showed any disrespect for the Prophet Muhammad. To show disrespect to one Manifestation is to show it to them all. God does as He wills to guide mankind. There is wisdom in it all and it is this wisdom that we must always try to look for.

Regards Tony

Questioner1

Dear Tony,

You argument is valid for those who believe in the narrative of God sending messengers, progressive revelation and that Muhammad was a prophet of God.

I don’t believe in any of these things. I believe in goodness, fairness, truth and justice. I am not a believer. I am a student of history and I wrote a book about understanding Muhammad.

There are plenty of myths and lies that prop Islam. My goal is to debunk them with facts. These facts are all recorded in the very books Muslims hold as authority. When these truths come out, Islam will be finished. They are out already. It is now the question of making them known universally. This too is in the making. Something big is brewing, as powerful as 1000 nuclear bombs.

Zhang

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Questioner I am with you 100%, Ahadith are an evil fabrication and the biggest insult to the Prophet's character.

But can you really say that when reading a true reading of Al-Qur'an? Have you read the claims on Quran434.com? If you are familiar with Classical Arabic, it is amazing to think that people continue to choose, of the 25 meanings of the word in question, the one that is contradictory to the very nature of the Qur'an. This Ayah seems to be a big part of your website too...

Right...1,000 nuclear bombs...okay...I've read your entire website, bro. It's just as hateful as Khomeini...was that really the purpose?

Questioner1

I haven't found the source of this story yet. If anyone can help I'd be grateful. I know I read it somewhere many years ago and I hope it is not an urban legend.

tonyfish58

It is agreed that Islam and even Christianity has a lot of traditions that are man made, but if you read these books without looking at the man made traditions you can sort out the true from the false.

None of these religions will ever be "FINISHED" as you have put it. However they do have a time of influence and their own books tell of the time when they will decline and be renewed.

For the reasons you have stated above these religions have reached the stage when they were renewed by God as promised.

The renewal does not destroy the past religions, it just gives them back to us again in the pure form and each time religion is renewed mankind is blessed with more knowledge.

We are in the age where we have been Guided unto "All Truth" A fulfillment of this biblical Passage " John:12-13 "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come".

Best of luck in your path in life, may it be full of reward, as to your closing sentence, this may be of interest

"The world is in travail, and its agitation waxeth day by day. Its face is turned towards waywardness and unbelief. Such shall be its plight, that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly. Its perversity will long continue. And when the appointed 119 hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then, and only then, will the Divine Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody". Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh LXI

Regards Tony

tonyfish58

I have an english translation of Memories 9 years in Akka on the way - Will be back in the new year, will let you know

Regards Tony

Questioner1

I hope you find it. I also called a Baha'i friend who is a scholar and he was not sure whether the story is in Khaterat-e noh saleh or in Khaterat-e Habib. But he recognized it immediately. He is a busy man. He said it may take him several hours to find it and I did not want to bother him. This means the story is there. I am sure someone can find it.

There is no hurry but I would like to have the source of this story.

Happy holidays

Ali Sina

tonyfish58

Questioner1 - Sorry - the story will not be in the book "Memories of Nine Years in Akka" - I have almost finished the book and not come across the story - I doubt the story will be brought up in the closing chapters of this book as all the stories of that time have been told.

The only story like it was on page 395 & 396 of this book, but it is the story of Mrs Ramsey as mentioned by Sen above.

The story you are after would be how the Master approached the situation as He showed nothing but Love, Kindness & Charity to all. It may be that over the years a couple of stories have been mixed up?

Hope you find it as it is frustrating

Regards Tony

Questioner1

Thank you Tonyfish58 for reading the book and confirming that the story is not there. But I recall reading it. I don't recall where. Could it be in the Memories of Habib or in another pilgrim's note? I wish more people participated in this forum so we could have more inputs.

Yes it is sort of frustrating. I don't want to put something in print without giving reference. One thing I am sure of is that this story has nothing to do with Muhammad. I've read his original biographies and a lot of hadith. Also it is completely out of character of the Prophet of Arabia.

I have read Abdul Baha. This story fits his character.

tonyfish58

Yes best of luck with that search - I did a big search of the net and it has not come up. It may be it has not yet been published.

It will eat at you until you find it

Regards Tony

tonyfish58

This story?

Reconstruction of the House of the Báb

... Also concerning the reconstruction of the House of the Báb to its original form, the esteemed Afnán had the following to share:

During the time of the upheavals in Yazd and Isfahan and at a time when the whole of Iran was stirred in turmoil, Áqá Mírzá Áqá received a Tablet revealed in his honor by `Abdu’l-Bahá in which he was instructed to, without a moment’s delay, reconfigure the House of the Báb to its original design. In this Tablet, `Abdu’l-Bahá had emphatically stated, “Procrastination will cause great difficulties.”

In those days one of the influential divines of Shiraz, a certain Siyyid Mihdiy-i-Kaziruni, lived contiguous to the House of the Báb and this man was a fierce adversary of the Faith and had
become a source of much worries for the illustrious Afnán. From the latter’s perspective, it seemed impossible to commence the restoration of the Blessed House with the presence of this prejudiced and obstreperous divine. To illustrate Siyyid Mihdi’s bigotry and umbrage, the honored Afnán related, “The Siyyid noticed one day that his servant had tied his Bandari mule to the doorknob of the Blessed House, and as a result of this he became exceedingly angry. With utmost inclemency he ordered the servant to severe the donkey’s bridle since [having touched the House] it was now rendered adulterated.283” He had also issued an standing order for his servants to throw all their garbage and refuse in front of the entrance to the House of the Báb. However, the illustrious Afnán who by the instructions of `Abdu’l-Bahá had just returned to Shiraz, exerted to treat him with forbearance, and had advised their own attendants not to reciprocate this man’s doings and instead each day to sweep and clean the front of his entrance as well.

The kindness of the Afnán had caused Siyyid Mihdi to grow a bit embarrassed of his own doings, especially as he had noticed that his new neighbors who were publicly known as Bahá’ís were frequently visited by respected citizens of Shiraz such as the Nayibu’t-Tulliyyih [the deputy custodian] of Sháh-Chiraq and many more. Therefore, increasingly, he would show consideration and tried to conceal his hostilities and antagonism.

Regards Tony