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Old 07-16-2014, 10:40 AM   #1
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What does Huqqu'llh mean to you?

I have been making contributions to the Baha'i Fund on a regular basis, but I have never contributed to Huqqu'llh. I think that's because I have not grasped the meaning of the Huququ'llah yet. What does Huqqu'llh mean to you?
 
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Old 07-16-2014, 11:45 AM   #2
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I have been making contributions to the Baha'i Fund on a regular basis, but I have never contributed to Huqqu'llh. I think that's because I have not grasped the meaning of the Huququ'llah yet. What does Huqqu'llh mean to you?
. Coming from a farm background, where at least in the old days, you never ate your whole crop, whether fro you or the critters, but kept back some seed corn for the next season.

. The spiritual principle is the same and it is a divine economy, you might say, that when we participate on this level, as a sacred trust, not only does it bare fruit in this world of material affairs, but the eternal realm, of which this is a foundation.

. There are stories of old people planting trees, the harvest of which they will never see. When asked, they replied that someone had planted trees for them in their youth, which the planters never benefited from in the limited sense of their own individual identity. We have a broader identity to consider, of which we are participants.

. Our spiritual identity is expanded far beyond our individual selves, and the "oneness of mankind" has meaning here as well. We step into a spiritual city, cleansed of selfish interests only, above our animal instincts, trusting in the design of the Architecture of that City. Only the believers are permitted to assist in the building of such a divine structure as will provide for the present and future needs of a divine civilization which is emerging from the ruin of the old world order.
 
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Thank you Dale...I like your analogy of farming seeds. Just as the farmer needs to give back to nature (the soil) seeds that will grow into harvest, I need to give back portions of my income that will grow into spiritual harvest.

It seems that every spiritual phenomenon has a counterpart in the physical world too, just as your analogy illustrate. Thank you for your input.
 
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Mineral, vegetable, animal, human, spiritual

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Thank you Dale...I like your analogy of farming seeds. Just as the farmer needs to give back to nature (the soil) seeds that will grow into harvest, I need to give back portions of my income that will grow into spiritual harvest.

It seems that every spiritual phenomenon has a counterpart in the physical world too, just as your analogy illustrate. Thank you for your input.

. You know, I've been reflecting on the progression through the various kingdoms which Abdul Baha talks about, and this idea seems to be consistent with that continuous flow to ever higher kingdoms. The mineral attains to the vegitable kingdom, then that goes to the animal kingdom, to the human kingdom, and we again transcend our lesser existence by transforming our energies into the spiritual kingdom.

. Never thought about it that way before, but its logical. The seed leaves the husk behind, the plant leaves the seed behind, etc, etc until we leave our self behind... ;-)
 
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That is beautiful Dale...I like the way you analysed transitions in different kingdoms.
 
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That is beautiful Dale...I like the way you analysed transitions in different kingdoms.
O SON OF MAN! Bestow My wealth upon My poor, that in heaven thou mayest draw from stores of unfading splendor and treasures of imperishable glory. But by My life! To offer up thy soul is a more glorious thing couldst thou but see with Mine eye.
 
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How beautiful...That brings tears to my eyes. But I wonder what does "offer up thy soul" in that Hidden Words mean? Can one give examples of what it means to offer up one's soul? I understand offering up material means, but "soul"? How can that be done? I am just wondering.
 
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How beautiful...That brings tears to my eyes. But I wonder what does "offer up thy soul" in that Hidden Words mean? Can one give examples of what it means to offer up one's soul? I understand offering up material means, but "soul"? How can that be done? I am just wondering.


. "Worship thou God in such wise that if thy worship lead thee to the fire, no alteration in thine adoration would be produced, and so likewise if thy recompense should be paradise. Thus and thus alone should be the worship which befitteth the one True God. Shouldst thou worship Him because of fear, this would be unseemly in the sanctified Court of His presence, and could not be regarded as an act by thee dedicated to the Oneness of His Being. Or if thy gaze should be on paradise, and thou shouldst worship Him while cherishing such a hope, thou wouldst make God's creation a partner with Him, notwithstanding the fact that paradise is desired by men.

Fire and paradise both bow down and prostrate themselves before God. That which is worthy of His Essence is to worship Him for His sake, without fear of fire, or hope of paradise.

Although when true worship is offered, the worshipper is delivered from the fire, and entereth the paradise of God's good-pleasure, yet such should not be the motive of his act. However, God's favour and grace ever flow in accordance with the exigencies of His inscrutable wisdom.

The most acceptable prayer is the one offered with the utmost spirituality and radiance; its prolongation hath not been and is not beloved by God. The more detached and the purer the prayer, the more acceptable is it in the presence of God."

from Selection from the Writings of the Bab
 
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That is a beautiful quote by the Bab, Dale...Thank you for sharing it...It touched my soul.

It also reminded me of a talk given by Mr. Ali Nakhjavani on the subject of "consecration"...I guess "offering up one's soul" is like being consecrated. I love that talk by Mr. Nakhjavani. You can watch it on Youtube and the link to it is On Consecration - YouTube

 
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I have been making contributions to the Baha'i Fund on a regular basis, but I have never contributed to Huqqu'llh. I think that's because I have not grasped the meaning of the Huququ'llah yet. What does Huqqu'llh mean to you?
This is a very good question, and we may be certain that if you are asking this question, there will likewise be many, many more who are in the same position.

First, I think it is important to read the compilation on Huquq'u'llah, both for completeness of subject matter, and as material for meditation and discussion. A .pdf copy is available here ; http://www.miscellanie.com/pdfdocs/c...huququllah.pdf.

From the outside, the payment of Huquq'u'llah could appear as an expense (or payment) to, when the reality it is an income (receipt) from. This will become apparent with a slow and contemplative reading of the compilation.

Consider that it is God Who is the source of wealth. Consider likewise that we are His servants. Here lies one of the keys.

God ensures we receive a just "wage," but in return, tells us that some of what He is "paying" us is actually earmarked (in the same way we can earmark part of our contributions to the Fund) for His own special purposes. However, He, in His utmost wisdom and loving-kindness, though telling us this piece of information, still leaves it up to us whether we would put it to the purpose He has prescribed, or whether we use it for our own purposes.

But think - if we earmarked a contribution to the Fund and found it was used for other purposes, would we not be dissapointed in the institution? But, if we find that it is put to the purpose we defined for it, we are more likely to give more, that more can be spent for this purpose.

In the same way, throughh not providing dissapointment, through listening to that which we are told, God, as a result of our listening to Him, will give us more to contribute to His ends, but to do so, He must at the same time increase our income so that we are able to follow His instruction.

All this is a bit simplistic an explanation perhaps, but it is hoped it helps.

With my warm greetings

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Thank you Romane for that very informative response...I like the way you put it "the payment of Huquq'u'llah could appear as an expense (or payment) to, when the reality it is an income (receipt) from."...That statement puts a lot of things in proper perspective for me. I am going to spend some time studying the pdf link you posted in the coming days.

From what I understand, the giving of the Huququ'llah is mandatory, or is it voluntary? In other words, is it an obligation, or is it discretionary? I am just wondering.
 
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From what I understand, the giving of the Huququ'llah is mandatory, or is it voluntary? In other words, is it an obligation, or is it discretionary? I am just wondering.
Perhaps the best way to answer this is with the words of Baha'u'llah Himself. You will find this in the compilation. I have taken the liberty of placing in italics the relevant portions as the answer:

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8. As to the question of Huqq: Reference to this matter is in no wise permissible. We have formerly enjoined upon you and Jinb-i-Amn that which will redound to the glory and dignity of the Word of God and of His Cause. Touching on this particular subject We have bidden thus: Ye may relinquish the whole world but must not allow the detraction of even one jot or tittle from the dignity of the Cause of God. Jinb-i-Amnupon him be My glorymust also refrain from mentioning this matter, for it is entirely dependent upon the willingness of the individuals themselves. They are well acquainted with the commandment of God and are familiar with that which was revealed in the Book. Let him who wisheth observe it, and let him who wisheth ignore it. Verily, thy Lord is the Self-Sufficing, the All-Praised. Indeed, independence of all things is a door of guidance unto His faithful servants. Well is it with them that have severed themselves from the world and have arisen to serve His Cause. Verily, they are numbered with the people of Bah at the court of His resplendent Beauty.
With warmest greetings

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Thank you Romane...very much.
 
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Greetings Thomas,

That is a fabulous question, because not even the Trustees of Huqqullh can answer that question for each individual. Rather just allow them to come to their own understanding.

In many ways Huqqullh can appear to be more difficult than what it really is. This is because all people have different questions on this because at first glance it can appear to be complicated. Therefore such concerns are perfectly natural because they apply to all Bahs that wish to contribute, from those on the poverty line, namely people who are actually exempt from paying it by Bah law but wish to do so all the same, to those that are extremely wealthy. So it really is a spiritual challenge for all Bahs, irrespective of their economic situation. In this respect do not concern yourself too much with the details because you are not alone here. Like all things it is something you learn more about it once you begin to understand the blessings and bounties that come from it. It is simply a question of deciding when to start. As you have raised this topic here, see this as a positive step in its own right. In the end the contribution is not as important as the process of being involved and many impoverished Bahs understand this all too well and wish to partake because of this.

The first stage with Huqqullh is in deciding to undertake it. While the Universal House of Justice has made this process available to Bahs in the west since 1992, it is really more important to appreciate that believers have to decide for themselves when it is right for them to commence this law. In this respect, based on the excellent quotation offered by Romane, do appreciate that it can never be truly obligatory, even if a few Bahs might suggest otherwise. So never feel ashamed or embarrassed of starting now, even if you have been a Bah for a long time. In the end the Bah Faith has no legal right to look into the financial affairs of individuals, so this is a self regulating law more than anything else. That is to say it is taken on faith.

To begin with it is good to sit down and list your exemptions. These include the cost of your home, or at least the mortgage or rent, the cost of your food, education and a host of other things that only you can deem to be necessary. Exemptions will also apply to other things you will purchase in time. It is important to be very honest with yourself here along with any needs your family may have because the aim is not to rob yourself or your family of the things that you believe are necessary for your wellbeing. For instance some Bahs consider a wide range of things as being necessary for them, like books, computers, cars and they are perfectly within their right to make the cost of these things exempt from Huqqullh. In the end it is more about understanding your own needs and values more than anything else and this in many ways is one of its strengths. For it allows you to understand yourself in ways that you may not have truly done before now. There is no shame in seeing the need to have material things along with having insurance to protect them if they have a positive impact on your life. So the primary principle of Huqqullh is to apply a realistic appreciation of your needs rather that seeking to force you to make any financial contributions that will be a burden to you.

As a general simple guide, and I do mean at its most basic level, to help you taste what it is like, once you have a list of your exemptions, then it is just a question of paying 19% of the costs of your luxuries. So if you consider a TV to be a luxury and it costs $1,000, then this means that 19% of this cost, namely $190 is payable as Huqqullh. That is to say at its simplest level you can pay Huqqullh on individual luxury items. Many people that have modest means find this works well for them for it allows them to keep track of their expenditure day to day.

Regardless of your level of maths, simply take the cost of the luxury item, then divide that by 100 (this will always be 1% of the total cost). Then multiply this by 19 to obtain the amount payable as Huqqullh. Without in any way intending to be patronising, generally I find that many people need assistance with the basic maths rather than the law itself and once they can do this they are capable of understanding the general principle much more easily. For many this is enough for them to participate because it is such an easy method.

While this is my personal choice, when you start paying Huqqullh I generally advise Bahs to start with a clean slate, otherwise you can end up developing a guilt complex over making payments for luxuries you have already obtained and used. So if you only apply it to new things that you purchase from the time you elect to start and consider all former luxuries as being necessities for you at that time, this will be much easier for you. It means you will be freed from developing a guilt complex over luxuries that you previously purchased. In time you will learn the value of having stocks of purified wealth to purchase luxuries with, but to begin with it is often beneficial to keep things as simple as possible in order to appreciate how it works along with being able to monitor your own progress and understanding. The mistake many Bahs from the West make is they want to do it correctly right from the start. As you will learn this is nearly impossible because it is as much an evolutionary process of understanding as much as anything else. In the end one comes to realise that all luxuries are pointless and only things that allow you and others to grow have good material value. This of course ends up revolutionising your own economic values and allows you to think and act in more dynamic ways and this then becomes a tool for acquiring greater wealth. So it is an excellent discipline to acquire. In the end you actually end up being wealthier through paying Huqqullh, but one has to apply it to understand how this really works.

Try to keep things as simple as possible when you start and only pay it on your luxuries, not your savings, because you can offer Huqqullh from your savings in your last Will and Testament, and in truth, no one knows how their savings will be used in an uncertain world until they have enough to see them through difficult times. As you start to become more proficient at doing this in an easy and simple manner you will naturally start to devise your own system inline with the finer points of the law and this can be tailormade to your own needs. As you progress, the process will become easier and seem very natural.

Songwriter and singer Dave Mallett touches on the bounty of the principle of such spiritual values more than many. The following link to one of his well known songs has had a profound spiritual impact on people that can grasp its deeper meaning. In the same way Huqqullh fosters spiritual development in individuals because it helps them to focus more on developing their personal lives towards obtaining excellence rather than becoming concerned with trivial matters. This is why is it offers enormous personal rewards. Learn to enjoy these because life is all about finding a unique role that is perfectly suited for yourself. In this respect Huqqullh is actually a tremendous tool for personal development.

Dave Mallett - Garden Song - YouTube

If you feel you would like some personal assistance with understanding Huqqullh, never be afraid to invite a Trustee of Huqqullh to your local community or home to discuss this topic. Far from acting like tax collectors, the Trustees are enormously helpful to all Bahs that wish to progress in their understanding and development in this area as it is never too late to start. All Bahs have to start somewhere. So learn to be kind to yourself too. For in the end, before we actually start Huqqullh, we merely see many things as necessities. That is all. In truth there is nothing wrong with this because faith progresses in stages. So partaking of the bounty of Huqqullh allows us to simply tune our bodies and minds to becoming more like gardeners in, what the Guardian called, the Divine Vineyard.

Earth
 
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Dear Earth:

Thank you for your comprehensive, wonderful, and easy-to-understand explanation.
 
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