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| Senior Member Joined: Jun 2006 From: California Posts: 3,957 | Baha'is banned from competing....
Banned from making their mark Banned from making their mark - Bahá'í World News Service NEW YORK, 6 September 2012, (BWNS) – In practically any other country of the world, a teenage chess champion, a national judo standout and a talented pianist would be valued as contributors to their society. In the example of three young Iranians, however, being members of the Baha'i Faith has meant a ban on competing and performing at the highest levels. Judoist Khashayar Zarei, chess player Pedram Atoufi, and pianist Pegah Yazdani are all victims of Iran's systematic policy – spelled out in a government-backed 1991 memorandum – to "block" the progress and development of Baha'is and "deny them any position of influence." "Khashayar's story" As Iran brought home a record haul of medals from the 2012 Olympic Games in London, 19-year-old Khashayar Zarei could only dream of what might have been. In his age and weight class, Khashayar is one of the country's finest judoists. But he has been barred from competition because he is a Baha'i. "Despite the fact that on three occasions I came first in my weight group on the national team, as a result of my belief in the Baha'i Faith, I have been banned from participating in the Asian World competitions," Khashayar wrote in a letter published by the Human Rights Activists News Agency. To add to Khashayar's disappointment, he was recently stopped from pursuing his architectural studies at Shiraz University because of his religious beliefs. Officials told him they had received instructions to expel him in a confidential letter from the Ministry of Science, Research and Technology. This is also part of official government policy: that once it becomes known a student is Baha'i, he or she must be expelled. Khashayar is not alone among Iranian youth in having his hopes thwarted. Application forms for admission to special programs for gifted students require the applicant to specify his or her religion, allowing administrators to disqualify Baha'i candidates; there is no option to leave the section blank. One Baha'i – a distinguished year two high school student in the city of Sari – was recently expelled from her gifted school. Two others were denied the opportunity to take part in a Science and Mathematics Olympiad for prodigies. In Tehran, an outstanding Baha'i student who reached a high level in the "Robocup" technology initiative was barred from registering in a school to prepare herself for competing at the national and international levels. And in 2008, the Baha'i International Community learned how the parents of one student were told by a sympathetic school administrator that all school principals in Marvdasht had received verbal instructions to give students of "the Bahaist sect" and other minorities only a passing grade in their school examinations – regardless of their actual level of performance – so as to prevent them from being eligible to enter universities. "Chess champion" This type of exclusion is not new. After winning a national chess championship in 1991 at the age of 16, Pedram Atoufi was told he could not represent Iran at the Asian Chess Championships because he was a Baha'i. Following the 1979 Islamic revolution, chess was banned in Iran for a whole decade. So when Pedram won the country's first national tournament for youth in 12 years, he was thrilled at the opportunity to represent his country in international competition. But when he went to obtain his passport, he was handed a form and told to mark his religion. "I wrote Baha'i," he said. "The person who was processing my form said 'If you put Baha'i, it's not easy to get a passport.'" Pedram was informed that the only possibility was to visit the president of the Iran Chess Federation, who could send him on a team visa. The president, however, became enraged upon hearing that Pedram was a Baha'i and sent a letter to the Federation's members in every state saying that Pedram was barred from competing in any official chess tournaments. That year, no one was sent to compete for Iran in the Asian Chess Championship. Pedram's ban was gradually relaxed over four years, leaving only a prohibition on international competition. When his team won the national championship in 1997, he was replaced and his teammates represented Iran in the international stages. Today, Pedram lives in Scottsdale, Arizona, where he runs a club which aims to cultivate a sense of unity through chess. He cannot return to his homeland; a good friend who went to the youth chess championship with him was only recently released from jail. "Pianist in exile" The denial of higher education to Baha'is also applies to other forms of artistic and professional education. Barred from pursuing her musical ambitions in Iran, Pegah Yazdani traveled alone to Moscow in 1998 to study piano. She cried for the whole flight. "Emotionally it was a really tough time; I had to leave everyone behind," she said. "At the same time I was very excited because I was going to pursue my dream." Completing her instruction after five years, she obtained her degree and returned to Iran to her family, hoping to perform and open a piano school. She was offered a part-time job at Tehran's conservatory. But when employees were asked to fill out a form asking them to mark their religion, Pegah was fired and banned from giving music lessons or playing recitals. "If they see 'Baha'i' there, they don't even look at you, they just deny the form," she says. "I knew I wasn't able to do anything in Iran. I wouldn't be able to study there. I wouldn't be able to work. I wouldn't be able to live there normally." Accepted in 2007 into the London College of Music and Media, Pegah took a masters degree in Piano Performance and now lives in Canada where she is truly engaged in music – performing, teaching piano, and also working as a ballet accompanist. Despite her ordeal, Pegah – now 36 – says she still loves her country very much and wishes she could return. She hopes that one day soon the Baha'is that remain in Iran will be allowed to make their full contribution. Bani Dugal, the Baha'i International Community's principal representative to the United Nations, says the Iranian government's strategy towards Baha'is is denying the country the benefit of a host of talents and capacities. "The lengths to which Iran will go to prevent young Baha'is from obtaining higher education has grown more and more convoluted and extreme," she said. "These stories are pitiful examples of a state-sponsored campaign which, in the end, only deprives Iran of the valuable and exciting contributions that could be made by some of the country's best and brightest young people." To read the article online, view photographs and access links: Banned from making their mark - Bahá'í World News Service |
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| Senior Member Joined: Sep 2012 From: Sharjah Posts: 101 |
If Bahais are so concerned about the state of these poor Irani Bahais, why not give them asylum in some country that is sympathetic to their cause? That would solve the problem. America, Israel, Great Britain, Europe, India, etc - the whole world is there. Just adopt them and take them out of Iran. Why let them suffer?
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| Senior Member Joined: Aug 2012 From: USA Posts: 298 | Quote:
While that seems logical, it's a complex issue. What if the country that you lived in didn't allow you acknowledge Muhammad (s.a.w.) as the messenger of Allah? How is that fair? If you were born and raised in a country, the prospect of leaving would be frightening. You wouldn't know anyone, you wouldn't speak the language, how could you live and survive on your own? You would leave your family, your friends, and everything that is familiar to you. Religious tolerance is the best option. Last edited by Zhang; 09-06-2012 at 09:15 AM. | |
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| Senior Member Joined: Sep 2012 From: Sharjah Posts: 101 | Bahais in the World Quote:
And those who are so concerned and make so much noise about this (albeit selectively) should offer asylum. Let me give you an example, Gay marriages are banned in most parts of the world. however if you were gay and want to marry in say Saudi Arabia, they will kill you. So what do you do? Ask for amendment of law? No! Go to America where it is permitted and do whatever you want to do. Ditto if you want to drink, wear a bikini etc etc. You must respect that it is the law of the land. And respect that. If you cant, then you are inviting trouble for yourself. | |
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In any case, my point on this matter has always been that why only Iran. the Bahai Faith is banned in almost all over the Middle East and in several other countries. However, Bahais and the UN and all in between don't say anything - either because these countries are allies of the West or because the West has some commercial relationship with them. If you are protesting, then protest holistically. Targeting only Iran highlights that Bahais have a hidden agenda. | |
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| Senior Member Joined: Jun 2006 From: California Posts: 3,957 | Quote:
Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom, Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms, Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge, Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction. Article 18. • Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance. Article 19. • Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. Iran voted in favor of the Declaration... See: Universal Declaration of Human Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | |
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| Tony Bristow-Stagg Joined: Sep 2010 From: Tropical North Queensland Australia Posts: 1,439 | |
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| Senior Member Joined: Sep 2012 From: Sharjah Posts: 101 | |
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| Senior Member Joined: Dec 2010 From: Australia Posts: 2,056 | ImranShaykh is out for some Bahai/Babi blood. He probably finds the idea of sitting around the table with his other Bahai hating friends and recounting the history of the torture and slaughter of innocent Bahais a pleasurable and appealing session of bonding with his peers. The bloodlust and pleasure he recieves is probably tantamount to a form of sexual rapture that a porn-star gets at seeing his next victim being debauched for the public eye. lol... |
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| Member Joined: Jan 2008 From: Canada Posts: 32 |
Although I personally am a supporter of religious freedom and other basic freedoms, Imranshaykh raises some good points and furthermore written in a very modest and clear style. I think imranshaykh's point still holds even in the face of the UN signatory argument, although that is a good argument for sure. The basic argument I see is that there is something which underlies the causes which Bahai communities generally support, or at least make their support public for. What is this underlying mechanism? I think that is a perfectly legitimate question and one which should be always openly discussed.
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| Tony Bristow-Stagg Joined: Sep 2010 From: Tropical North Queensland Australia Posts: 1,439 | imranshaykh - Arthra posted a good response that was quite informative giving a view which I could support. Would you like to add comment as to why you 100% disagree? Would you think that you are entitled to 100% freedom in practicing Islam and others can not practice their Faith in full Freedom as well? Regards Tony |
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I am not out for any blood. I am only a humble servant of Allah and His prophet. I raise these questions because I believe Bahais take the verses of the Quran out of context and twist the meanings. As for getting any sadistic pleasure, I dont think that is the intention and I rest the accusation. But I also know that Bahais are very very selective in who they condemn. For example, bahais will never condemn human rights in Saudi Arabia. The Bahai Faith is banned there as well. But you will never hear anything about it because Saudi Arabia is currently an ally of the US. Thats all. | |
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No, Christians should not hate Muslims because Muslims deny Trinity. | |
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| Senior Member Joined: Sep 2010 From: Canada Posts: 602 | I really appreciate it if you could show, only in one example, the Baha'i Scriptures quotes a verse from Quran which is not related to the arguments that is making.
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| Tony Bristow-Stagg Joined: Sep 2010 From: Tropical North Queensland Australia Posts: 1,439 | Quote:
Fair enough - But you can take it from me that I will protest against any injustice I hear about in a lawful way. I guess at the moment it is Iran that persecutes the most and to a degree that is ridiculous. Please justify the 10000 days the 7 Bahai's have been held in prison for no other reason that being Baha'i! There are so much injustice coming from Iran is most likely why protest is more focused on this Land. But if you have a lot more stories to post re injustice in these other places, please post so we can get it out there for people to know. Regards Tony | |