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Old 12-28-2010, 06:01 PM   #41
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Since it was mentioned in the above post in a quote I think it would be appropriate to cite

BNASAA - Bahá?í Network on AIDS, Sexuality, Addictions and Abuse

As a resource to explore..
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Old 12-29-2010, 05:54 AM   #42
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Peyamb I know I might have got a bit too passionate in this discussion but feel free to join us in other areas on the site where we might have more unifying discussions.
 
Old 12-29-2010, 03:10 PM   #43
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Desert said: "Real percentages run around 3 to 5%. Plus sexuality is not black and white a lot of people are actually bisexual and will just merely have to work with one gender instead of two."
Wether it is 1% or 20% makes no difference. Wether one gay child or 1,000 killed themselves because of the Bahai community, makes no difference. Injustice is injustice, and you can't continue it behind closed doors. (Btw the reason BNASAA was created in the first place was precisely because gay Bahai youth had committed suicide; unfortunately BNASAA does nothing but reinforce the negative attitudes about sexuality among the Bahais; I have been to one meeting).
And as for your concern with bisexuals.. let me ask? Why does a straight man in a polygomous relationship not asked to choose between his wifes after he becomes a Bahai? Is it because he's enjoying straight sex with them all, and therefore it is ok? Again the meaning of family and correct expression of sex within that framework in the Bahai community, I believe can be more fluid than the one man and one woman paradigm that you espouse as the only truth in the Bahai Faith.
And as for your offer to comment on other topics here, why bother? Seems like the Bahai community is moving more and more towards Unity in Conformity than its old motto of Unity in Diversity. So not thanks.
 
Old 12-29-2010, 04:30 PM   #44
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Peyam wrote above:

unfortunately BNASAA does nothing but reinforce the negative attitudes about sexuality among the Bahais; I have been to one meeting


And previously quoted:

Jun 12, 2008, David McLaren, Florida

I am a Baha'i who was born into a Pioneering family. I dream about a Baha'i community growing and nuturing all of the peoples of the world...ALL THE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD! The only place where I ever felt this inside the Baha'i community was at BNASAA!
I am a Baha'i!
 
Old 12-29-2010, 05:52 PM   #45
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Why does a straight man in a polygomous relationship not asked to choose between his wifes after he becomes a Bahai? Is it because he's enjoying straight sex with them all, and therefore it is ok?

Well polygamy is allowed per the Aqdas as long as the society is working away from it and toward the standard of monogamy.

I would assume there would be no trouble with a homosexual family as long as they upheld the Baha'i values of the straight monogamy as the preferred lifestyle for this dispensation even if they themselves could not follow it, in other words it would be a situation similar to the polygamous couple.

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And as for your offer to comment on other topics here, why bother? Seems like the Bahai community is moving more and more towards Unity in Conformity than its old motto of Unity in Diversity. So not thanks.
Too bad : ( Well the offer is still there.
 
Old 12-29-2010, 07:52 PM   #46
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You are right Arthra, some people did feel that about BNASAA. I didn't however. And I also did not see a single gay couple at that meeting. What I saw were people with serious issues dealing with incest, drug abuse, etc. Not a single person there was in a committed gay relationship. Doesn't that say something about who BNASAA is made for? But yes, definitely read the site for yourselves and decide if BNASAA is truly a source to help gays inside the community or to just continue to send them on the false quest of believing their sexuality is wrong.
Oh and btw, my friend who you quoted there has since stopped attending and funding BNASAA. He's pretty much done with the Bahai community. Cheers!
 
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Yes Desert it is too bad, it's really really too bad.
 
Old 12-30-2010, 07:55 AM   #48
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Yes Desert it is too bad, it's really really too bad.
How about your views on fanaticism? Where to you is the line where you go from pious to fanatic?
 
Old 01-04-2011, 05:14 PM   #49
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Forget your gayness and embrace God. Souls have no gender or sexuality it is only your body that is giving you the impulse.
This is the path to eternal happiness.
 
Old 01-04-2011, 06:38 PM   #50
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There is a lot of argument and little consultation.

I deal with a lot of LGBT type people personally. I see npthing wrong with their lifestyle choice. I agree it may be genetic, but as it was stated earleir rising above simple animal notations will be beneficial to the spirit, however I believe in the NEXT LIFE we will find our release and our truth with the ability for endless progress.

This religion was founded on progressivism. Maybe in the future something will change for gay acceptance by the UHJ, if not, we follow Baha'u'llah, the Master and The Guardian and the UHJ until the next manifestation.

No one can be forced to "pray the gay away." We cannot tell others how to live. We do not know our placement until we die, and even from there we grow. We all are equals.

For those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

Live your life and answer to God. we are all imperfect, but he is the ever forgiving, the all merciful. Pray for acceptance for both sides. Pray for healing and growth and understanding.

[B]The Truth Belongs To God, The Mistakes Are All Mine.
 
Old 01-04-2011, 09:15 PM   #51
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There is a lot of argument and little consultation.

I deal with a lot of LGBT type people personally. I see npthing wrong with their lifestyle choice. I agree it may be genetic, but as it was stated earleir rising above simple animal notations will be beneficial to the spirit, however I believe in the NEXT LIFE we will find our release and our truth with the ability for endless progress.

This religion was founded on progressivism. Maybe in the future something will change for gay acceptance by the UHJ, if not, we follow Baha'u'llah, the Master and The Guardian and the UHJ until the next manifestation.

No one can be forced to "pray the gay away." We cannot tell others how to live. We do not know our placement until we die, and even from there we grow. We all are equals.

For those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

Live your life and answer to God. we are all imperfect, but he is the ever forgiving, the all merciful. Pray for acceptance for both sides. Pray for healing and growth and understanding.

[B]The Truth Belongs To God, The Mistakes Are All Mine.
Awesome!
 
Old 02-18-2011, 06:58 PM   #52
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I would like to re-iterate that the gayness issue is easily perceived as genetic, b/c in the majority of gay people the development happens at such an early age that it seems genetic, b/c it can be very hard to re-develop, but it can and has been done....which to me means it is developmental rather than genetic. However homosexual behavior can be learned/assumed. Under controlled circumstances I am certain anyone can "learn" to be gay or bisexual. How many parents would like to have to accept that their behavior contributed to the development of homosexuality in their children?
 
Old 02-18-2011, 07:16 PM   #53
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God will not change one's desires and passions. One has to do it. It does not matter how wrong one is and how hard it is to work on, God usually helps, but does not do it for us. It is very, very hard to do. I believe that I have done it, or that God allowed me to recover. I believe that others can also. I believe in 12 step programs. Desires and thoughts are not vanished, but they are simply there to be accepted and then ignored. That acceptance was a process that took time and help. It is possible.
 
Old 02-22-2011, 06:11 AM   #54
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My main issue with this subject is the issue of human beings are created as free agents. That's the difference between wild animals and civilized human beings. This idea that homosexuality, which is both biologically perverse and morally wrong according to every true religion of God, is some kind of innate attribute of human nature, is nonsense.

Religion is the Cause, civilization is the effect. The rule of law is the cause, freedom is the effect. The first rule of law is the law of marriage between one man and one woman. There is no alternative. Never has been, never will be.

The only other attribute of human nature that is more primal than the institution of marriage and family, is language. Adam, Who first revealed the law of marriage, also revealed the human language when He named all the plants and animals in the Garden of Eden. "First there was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God."

We all influence one another. Networks of mirror neurons in our central nervous system reflect our environment. Human beings are designed to reflect the attributes of Almighty God. We are designed to receive that divine education revealed by the Manifestation of God. It causes the mystical transformation of human nature. We become a new race of human beings as a direct result of that divine education.

Sexual misconduct, as well as any other character defects and shortcomings, gradually fade away and disappear. They are purged out of our consciousness by the Word of God.

Allah'u'Abha
 
Old 02-22-2011, 06:31 AM   #55
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I also think it is harmful to raise children in a homosexual arrangement. And I find it interesting that this thread was started about recovering from that particular form of sexual misconduct and has been dominated by an individual aggressively promoting the gay lifestyle.

During the Most Great Peace homosexuality will not be controversial because there won't be any homosexual.

I haven't read the whole thread and I have to go to work.

Peace and prosperity be with you all
 
Old 02-22-2011, 02:14 PM   #56
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And another thing, Why are you all apologizing for fundamentalist Christians? The Baha'i Faith contains Christianity. The principles of Christianity are the same as the principles of the Baha'i Faith. While we Baha'is have a more liberal understanding of the Word of God than other religions, Baha'u'llah says that we should not think our religion is superior to anyone else's, and that includes people of other religions, and perhaps even no religion.

The Covenant of Baha'u'llah is an ironclad rule of law. There is really no debate about it. The Sacred Writings of the Baha'i Faith declare that homosexuality is unacceptable and that it can be treated and healed. That is what we believe as Baha'is.

Thank God that we can recover from sexual disorders and other mental health issues.
 
Old 02-22-2011, 04:39 PM   #57
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It's a process

Baha'is will have to let there be kicking and screaming at least for a while, b/c everyone is on their own time table. It's kind of like the alcoholic is said not to get sober until he/she hits bottom. We have to have a firm center and top and let the sides move in, b/c growth is a process and at some points of it we are not making visible progress. We to some, SOME, extent are going to have to accept people as they are when they come in the Faith and love them into being Baha'is.

Have you seen any of those interchanges where an LSA writes about a big problem believer that's terrible and doing awful things. You are reading this thinking, oh NSA is gonna clobber this person, BUT they write back and say, "You need to love this person more." I never see the rest of the story, but if NSA said that to me I would in past blown them off. Now that I have a black belt, okay brownish/black, in AL Anon I know that I am not really looking at how I am acting and being, that I am more of a part of the problem than I could ever have imagined.

Many things need to be left in God's hands. Who said I know what anyone else needs to do!

I came in with this thread b/c I believed there was a need to see the un-popular side, the one that is hard, slow, not glamorous, not fulfilling in the usual way.
 
Old 07-26-2011, 09:09 AM   #58
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I am posting on this topic to bring it up currently due to interest in the subject. Thank you for your consideration on this contraversial issue at least in the present. The Covenant is so, so very special. Who would I be to go on my own so that I did not have to change? What would I gain in understanding and in growth? It is not pain free or easy to attempt recovery. It is special to hear from others who also see the path. Do not underestimate your struggle, do not minimize any progress. This is really really tough.
 
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