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Old 10-13-2017, 07:07 PM   #1
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On Greater and Lesser Prophets and the Modern Era

In the Kitab-i-Aqdas, Baha'u'llah clearly states that should anyone lay claim to a revelation direct from God in the next 850 years or so, he is assuredly a lying impostor.

I have taken this to mean that there shall not be another Manifestation during that duration of time.

What about Greater and Lesser prophets as described in Abrahamic scripture, such as Noah, Isaiah, and others? Might we still see individuals of this nature during this dispensation? Or, has the institution of the Universal House of Justice brought to pass an era of a different sort, where individual prophets and seers are no longer the bearers of spiritual vision and insight?

The same question may be asked of seers and seeresses.
 
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Old 10-13-2017, 11:41 PM   #2
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Dear djg,

there is, as far as I know, no concept of a seer in the Writings. There may be inspired individuals - Joseph Smith or Guru Nanak would fall into that category according to the House of Justice - but Shoghi Effendi in my impression made it clear that there wouldn't be "prophets" in this era.

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The Guardian thinks that it is best to assume that generally speaking when people claim they are receiving messages or communications from the Master or Bahá'u'lláh, etc., it is a psychic experience or their imagination, and that they are not in real contact with them. These Holy Beings have the channels of the Cause through which to guide us. They do not need to go outside these and send individual revelations. (December 22, 1947)
 
Old 10-14-2017, 01:43 PM   #3
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Dear djg,

there is, as far as I know, no concept of a seer in the Writings. There may be inspired individuals - Joseph Smith or Guru Nanak would fall into that category according to the House of Justice - but Shoghi Effendi in my impression made it clear that there wouldn't be "prophets" in this era.
Joseph Smith inspired! Really?
 
Old 10-15-2017, 02:49 AM   #4
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Joseph Smith inspired! Really?
The official Bahai Writings do nit say anything about Joseph Smith.

There is a Pilgrim note of a talk from Shoghi Effendi about Joseph Smith. These notes are of interest only as all official views are in the authorised writings.

There is a talk on the Bahai Library Forum about Joseph Smith maybe telling of Baha'u'llah. Did Joseph Smith prophesy of Baha'u'llah? - Baha'i Library Forum

I did not pursue this.

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Old 10-15-2017, 08:10 AM   #5
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The official Bahai Writings do nit say anything about Joseph Smith.
Not the Writings - which would be solely Bahá'u'lláh and 'Abdu'l-Bahá - but there are some passages in authoritative scripture - which would also include the Guardian and the Universal House of Justice - which deal with Joseph Smith and the Mormons. In one of its letters the House of Justice affirmed:

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As for the status of Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon Faith, he is not considered by Bahá'ís to be a prophet, minor or otherwise. But of course he was a religious teacher sensitive to the spiritual currents flowing in the early 19th century directly from the appearance of the Bab and Bahá'u'lláh and the Revelation of Their Messages of hope and divine Guidance.(February 2, 1977)
 
Old 10-25-2017, 07:49 AM   #6
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Dear djg,

there is, as far as I know, no concept of a seer in the Writings. There may be inspired individuals - Joseph Smith or Guru Nanak would fall into that category according to the House of Justice - but Shoghi Effendi in my impression made it clear that there wouldn't be "prophets" in this era.
I have in my notes that somewhere the concept of a Muhaddathoon (which ends up commonly translated as "seer" into English) is mentioned, though I did not write down specifically where in the writings it came from. "Muhaddathoon" itself is a term that appears in Islamic scholarly writings to refer to someone who is divinely inspired, but not a prophet, differentiated from the terms Rasool or Nabi.

Based on the fact that "Muhaddathoon", which means "inspired individual", is commonly translated as "seer", I'd say there is a concept of a "seer" in the Faith in that it is the same as the concept of an "inspired individual".

Personally I'd prefer to use the term "muhaddathoon" over "seer" just because it sounds cooler. Plus "seer"'s understood English connotations might cause confusion since it is a bit different from the concept of a muhaddathoon.

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