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Old 05-05-2018, 12:22 AM   #41
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20. O SON OF SPIRIT! My claim on thee is great, it cannot be forgotten. My grace to thee is plenteous, it cannot be veiled. My love has made in thee its home, it cannot be concealed. My light is manifest to thee, it cannot be obscured.

I don't know what He means by this. People veil themselves from God all the time, Baha'u'llah Himself says this. So what does He mean that God's grace cannot be veiled? Is He talking about what will happen eventually in the afterlife? Or does He mean something else with this?
The question reminds me of a line in Rumi Masnavi. He says, the sun with all its glamour, can be veiled if we put the tip of one finger in front of our eyes. Now the sun is still there, shining; nothing can turn it off. But we veil ourselves from it. This is What Bahaullah means; God's Grace is the Sun that can never be veiled. It is us that is veiled.
 
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Old 05-05-2018, 12:35 AM   #42
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I think this means that the unconstrained is always there. We can veil ourselves from acknowledging it, but we can never obscure the light.

I see that our veils do not prevent Gods Claim on us, does not prevent Gods Grace comming to us, prevent Gods Love reaching us, nor stop the light that shines upon us.

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Your words remind me of others from page 185 of Gleanings

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Meditate on what the poet hath written: “Wonder not, if my Best-Beloved be closer to me than mine own self; wonder at this, that I, despite such nearness, should still be so far from Him.”... Considering what God hath revealed, that “We are closer to man than his life-vein,” the poet hath, in allusion to this verse, stated that, though the revelation of my Best-Beloved hath so permeated my being that He is closer to me than my life-vein, yet, notwithstanding my certitude of its reality and my recognition of my station, I am still so far removed from Him. By this he meaneth that his heart, which is the seat of the All-Merciful and the throne wherein abideth the splendor of His revelation, is forgetful of its Creator, hath strayed from His path, hath shut out itself from His glory, and is stained with the defilement of earthly desires.
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Old 05-14-2018, 10:10 AM   #43
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Ooops, I forgot last week, my busy-ness got to me.

Week 5
5/14/2018-5/20/2018
Jamál 18/175-‘Aẓamat 5/175

This week is the Arabic Verses, 21-25.

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Old 05-14-2018, 10:17 AM   #44
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Verse 21

This one reminded me somewhat of this writing from Baha'u'llah:

"The world has never had nor does it now possess stability (thabát), notwithstanding the complaints of some unfaithful and wavering souls. But, in truth, whatever takes place is well-pleasing, for the divine wisdom has ordained it. Without His command and will, not a leaf can stir, and whatever occurs is conformable to wisdom. All must be contented with it, nay eagerly desire it. However, in some cases, such as when the sweetness of reunion [with God] gives way to the bitterness of separation and, likewise, when, by the decree of remoteness, nearness and meeting are banished--this causes sighs of sorrow and grief to be upraised and the tears to flow. Otherwise, the matter is as some of the philosophers have cited from the words of Hermes: 'It is impossible for the realm of creation to be better than it already is.'"

Verse 22

Greatness and nobility is our very destiny!!

Verse 23

A call to look for the imperishable rather than cling to the ever-changing world.

Verse 24

Continuing from the last, embrace the eternal, detach from the temporal.

Verse 25

Don't view yourself different from another in regards to wealth, since wealth is not an indicator of anything significant.
 
Old 05-15-2018, 12:19 PM   #45
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O SON OF MAN! Upon the tree of effulgent glory I have hung for thee the choicest fruits, wherefore hast thou turned away and contented thyself with that which is less good? Return then unto that which is better for thee in the realm on high.

Does He expect us to answer His question, or is it a rhetorical question? If so, what is the answer? I think it's because we don't want to suffer, and we think we will suffer if we don't follow our selfish interests. Maybe we will suffer, but if it will get us closer to God it is worth it. But as humans we can only do this a little bit at a time, so we should not judge ourselves.
 
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Does He expect us to answer His question, or is it a rhetorical question? If so, what is the answer? I think it's because we don't want to suffer, and we think we will suffer if we don't follow our selfish interests. Maybe we will suffer, but if it will get us closer to God it is worth it. But as humans we can only do this a little bit at a time, so we should not judge ourselves.
That's a very interesting and true observation.

People turn to attachment to alleviate suffering.

Or rather because they think it will alleviate suffering, since as we know from Gautama among other prophets, the attachment is the source of suffering.

If we hold on to our selfish interests, and the world is in a different state than that of our interests, we suffer. Like if we desire wealth and have none, that causes suffering, or if we desire food or comfort and have none, there arises suffering as well.

But if we don't desire those things, if we detach from them, we won't suffer in their absence.
 
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23. O SON OF THE SUPREME! To the eternal I call thee, yet thou dost seek that which perisheth. What hath made thee turn away from Our desire and seek thine own?

This relates very closely to what the Buddha said. He said attachment to the world causes suffering. Here Baha'u'llah is saying we shouldn't be attached to perishable things. Both agree that we shouldn't go after perishable things.
 
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Week 6
5/21/2018-5/27/2018
‘Aẓamat 6/175-‘Aẓamat 12/175

This week is the Arabic Verses, 21-25.
 
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Verse 26

Here we get a warning against backbiting or emphasizing the flaws of others.

There's the obvious reason not to do this, in that hypocrisy is not a trait I'd want in myself.

But taken into context with the other recent verses, perhaps there's another reason not to do this. We are told that the image of God is within us, thus it must be within others. Thus maybe a second reason not to criticize the faults of others is to do so would be criticism of God's creation, or even criticism of God Himself??

I'm not wholly sure yet.

Verse 27

Here a similar warning in the same vein.

Verse 28

Another statement about rejecting hypocrisy in another form.

Verse 29

This verse is "the Golden Rule", as repeated by many world traditions, religious and secular alike.

Verse 30

This part of verse 30, "for his face is My face" makes me sure of my earlier ideas after reading verse 26. Here we learn that, not only should we refrain from criticizing others and treat them with kindness, but we should also help them.

And the reason for treating them this way is because they too have the Light of God within them, and the Face of God.
 
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26. O SON OF BEING! How couldst thou forget thine own faults and busy thyself with the faults of others? Whoso doeth this is accursed of Me.

It is very negative to focus on other people's faults. One cannot be much of a friend to them then. Not only that you are not focusing on your own faults and working on them. Indeed we are accursed if we do this.

27. O SON OF MAN! Breathe not the sins of others so long as thou art thyself a sinner. Shouldst thou transgress this command, accursed wouldst thou be, and to this I bear witness.

This is the greatest sin for a Baha'i. This focuses everyone's attention on the faults of a person. It alienates people from the community.
 
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30. O SON OF MAN! Deny not My servant should he ask anything from thee, for his face is My face; be then abashed before Me.

There is a time when one wouldn't do this, like a person asking you to help him rob a bank. But then, he isn't God's servant then.
 
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