Ben Bet Beh

I am a middle-aged cradle Catholic Christian who is challenging his long-held beliefs and practices. I do not have any theological problems with my faith perse, however how the church applies the faith in matters of the faith gives me reason to pause. I think of the scripture that says to the effect 'by their fruits you shall know them'. I have a tendency to believe that there is in fact a true faith that can be known, but I am open to others thoughts on this premise as well. I am looking for those who are knowledgeable in their beliefs to share them and give their best reasoning as to why the path they have chosen is the correct one. Thank you and I look forward to your thoughtful replies.

cire perdue

The Baha'i Faith answers more questions than anything I have ever found. Examples I can think of off the top of my head are: All religions are from the same God and come at a different time, so all are right for their time, but they decay and must be renewed. The purpose of the renewal is to advance man spritually, and that the differences in the religions were the limitations of the times they appeared. It may be difficult to quickly learn enough to validate this. The fruits as you mention are an excellent way to decide if there is anything that interests you.

During the lifetime of Christ or Baha'u'llah if you had been fortunate enough to be in their presence and were pure of heart, then you could have SEEN Them and believed. Once They have departed the proof of Their revelation is the Writings left behind. Christ left so very little and none by His own hand, if, IF His words had not contained the Holy Spirit then I don't think it would have lasted, prospered and "overthrown" Rome as it ultimately did and actually literally fulfilling phrophecies that the Jews had insisted that the Messiah did not do. They said had Christ been the Messiah, He would have overthrown Rome and been a King. They did not have the eyes to see Him. He did overthrown Rome. Go see the Vatican and its treasures that were of Rome. That is a form of His triumph.

I encourage you to read Baha'u'llah's Writings. A good start is THE HIDDEN WORDS. Below is a link:
Bahá'í Reference Library - The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, Page 3

The social teachings considering they were revealed well prior to Baha'u'llah's death in 1892 are eye-opening if one realizes how unique they were for the time. We are told all these religions of God infuse the world with new spirit that begins to be seen in the world as time passes. Now these ideas are not so unique, but Baha'is believe they are taking hold because of their origin and are to spritually advance mankind whose purpose we are told is to know and love God.

Thank you for the opportunity to speak from my heart to you. It is a very special thing to search for truth. It is the real source of richness for all one's life.

Ben Bet Beh

I will have to give this some thought as I'm not sure I can agree with it. There have been times in history when religions have competed for adherants. Are you suggesting that each new religion supplants the next? If so, would it then hold true that the Bahai religion itself will at some point in the future also be supplanted by another?

Thank you for the link. I will investigate this.

BruceDLimber

Greetings, and welcome to the neighborhood; it's great to have you here! :-)

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Originally Posted by Ben Bet Beh [W]ould it then hold true that the Bahai religion itself will at some point in the future also be supplanted by another?

Yes: precisely!

Please feel free to ask any further questions: we LOVE 'em! :-)

Bruce

Fadl

Dear Ben,

I'm delighted that you have decided to investigate our faith, I'm sure you will find it quite a journey!

I wanted to say one thing about your quote 'by their fruits you shall know them' because, if we look at indivduals or communities, we are bound to find pockets of 'bad seeds' but this doesn't make the religion itself bad or false. This criterion you mentioned is the one where we can know false prophets from true ones. When we look at the life and teachings of Christ, and then the spirit that went out from the movement and moved the world itself, then we know he is the truth. If we looked at the horrors perpetrated by so called followers of Christ in the crusades, and examine those participants, to "know them by their fruits" we could conclude that the Christian faith was an evil one, but we would be wrong. The crusaders were far away from the commandments of Christ, and that is what brought about the evil. Therefore, I don't think we can write off the Catholic religion, or any other, soley on the bad conduct of certain "believers" who amass from time to time but do not embody the teachings of that faith. Same is true for the much maligned Muslim faith which has certain infamous individuals comitting great acts of evil and devastation, so many Westerners conclude Islam is of the devil. However, if you study Islam, and any Muslim worth his or her salt will tell you, those acts are against everything the faith teaches and stands for, and they are right. Same thing about strange Buddhist cults gassing subways, etc.

People will be evil, that is part of the struggle of man. However, look at those who follow the teachings of the Christian, Islamic, Baha'i, whatever faith, and see that the holy teachings transform them into spiritual beings who expend their lives in humilty and service.

I think you will find our faith to be a faith of enlightenment and truth, and that it actually contains all faiths, because all faiths are one. We too, have our members who live lives the saints, in my opinion, and those who go the other spectrum. But if you look to the fruits of Baha'u'llah, you will see that he can be from none other than God.

I hope your search for truth is a fruitful one!

arthra

Each religion is true, is beautiful, is valid. It is the one
Message from God for that age in which it appears. It is the only
truth for that particular age, yet it is not final. It is but one
part of a single, great, progressive, never-ending Religion of God
which has no beginning and will have no end.

Though the Word (Holy Spirit) of God is one, the Speakers
(Messengers) of this Word are many. It is the one light in many
lamps.

The golden rule can be found in all the great religions of the
world:

Hinduism: The true rule is to do by the things of others as you
do by your own.

Judaism: Whatever you do not wish your neighbor to do to you do
not to him.

Zoroastrianism: As you do you will be done by.

Buddhism: One should seek for others the happiness one desires
for one's self.

Christianity: Therefore, all things whatsoever you would that men
should do to you, do even so to them.

Islam: Let none of you treat a brother in a way he himself would
dislike to be treated.

Bahá'í Faith: If thou regardest Mercy, look not to that which
benefits thyself; but to that which will benefit thy fellowmen.
If thou regardest Justice, choose thou for others that which thou
choosest for thyself.

The Teachings of Bahá'u'lláh liken religion to the growth of a
plant. Dr. Esslemont who spent many years studying the Teachings
of Bahá'u'lláh states it in this way: 'The religion of God is the
One Religion, and all the Prophets have taught it, but it is a
living and growing thing, not lifeless and unchanging.

In the
teaching of Moses we see the bud; in that of Christ the flower; in
that of Bahá'u'lláh the fruit. The flower does not destroy the
bud, nor does the fruit destroy the flower. It destroys not, but
fulfils. The bud-scales must fall in order that the flower may
bloom, and the petals must fall that the fruit may grow and ripen.
Were the bud-scales or the petals wrong or useless, then, that they
had to be discarded? No, both in their time were right and
necessary; without them there could have been no fruit. So it is
with the various prophetic teachings; the externals change from age
to age, but each revelation is the fulfilment of its predecessors;
they are not separate or incongruous, but different stages in the
life history of One Religion, which has in turn been revealed as
seed, as bud, as flower, and now enters on the stage of fruition.'
[Bahá'u'lláh and the New Era, Esslemont, Ch. VIII.]

Thus, one step is not greater than another. No step is
exclusive. No stage is final. Not even the stage of the 'fruit'.
The 'fruit' is the fulfilment of the 'seed'. It is the end of a
cycle, but from that 'fruit' will come the 'seed' of another great
cycle. The religion of God is continuous and never-ending and like
the rain, never ceases to shed its water of life upon mankind.

- Bill Sears "Thief in the Night"

BruceDLimber

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Originally Posted by arthra [I]Bahá'í Faith: "If thou regardest Mercy, look not to that which benefits thyself; but to that which will benefit thy fellowmen. "If thou regardest Justice, choose thou for others that which thou choosest for thyself."

While I realize you were quoting here, a stong suggestion for you.

Use this Baha'i quote instead:

"And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbor that which thou choosest for thyself."
Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, p. 30

This avoids the trap certain fundamentalist Christians set where they claim that only Christianity has the Golden Rule in a positive form, while all the other religions' formulations are negative "thou shalt not" versions!

Peace, :-)

Bruce

Yeshua

Hi Ben

I will be praying for your spiritual progress, dear brother. I give you my best wishes and love, as well as the hope that the Baha'i Faith fulfills all your spiritual needs, desires, aspirations and so much more.

I also believe that there is a "true faith that can be known", but I agree with others who have written before me - most prominently Cire Perdue - that this "faith" cannot be tied down solely to any one religion that has been or will be. And I say this as a Catholic and not as a Baha'i Cardinal Nicholas of Cusa, a towering Roman Catholic theologian and polymath of the 1400s, summed up my worldview - which is also shared by members of the Baha'i Faith:

"...Diversity in creation and cultures is the language of God, the radical unity of the opposites. In God absolute unity is absolute multiplicity. It is you, O God, who is being sought in various religions in various ways, and named with various names. For you remain as you are, to all incomprehensible and inexpressible. When you will graciously grant it, then sword, jealous hatred and evil will cease and all will come to know that there is but one religion in the variety of religious faiths. Love makes the entry, where reason remains outside the door..."

This is what Baha'u'llah set out to create and preach throughout the world, this doctrine of the Oneness of Religion. He wrote:

"The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens...The tabernacle of unity hath been raised; regard ye not one another as strangers. Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch"

That said, the idea that no religion - that no human being - has fully comprehended the divine and so no religion can be called superior to another, does not "kill" the search for objective truth. From the Christian perspective there is Absolute Truth. All religions are different approaches to that Absolute Truth and and all contain elements of divine revelation. However they comprehend that truth to varying degrees but are all united in that NONE of them has fully comprehended that truth, such that all must be understood in relation to each other. No religion has a monopoly on truth but One Religion may have comprehended the divine more potently than the others. You must, within yourself, determine what that religion is - the one that is right for you and meets your spiritual needs.

Baha'u'llah, I sense you will soon discover, was a most enlightened soul. His writings are vast - some thousand or so manuscripts - but this quantity is matched by an incredible depth of quality, which is astounding when one considers the relative intellectual barenness and degeneration of the country in which he lived and wrote. Nineteenth century Iran, unlike in previous eras (ie Savafid in the 1700s, the Samanids, the Sasanids, the Achaeminds) was not acclaimed for its high degree of academic sophistication or advancement. It was then a nostly rural society and governed by very fundamentalist clergy.

Whether or not you decide to convert to the Baha'i Faith, an intensive, thought-provoking and open-minded study of this religion will change your life forever and bring you many benefits, both mentally and spiritually. I - as a non-Baha'i - can vouch in this regard.

God Bless you dear brother

cire perdue

The major world religions contain truth and are correct. However they experience an peak and decline. In that decline a new One will arise. It fulfills prophecies and preserves the essence of its previous messages. When the new religion is manifested it will be able to be contrasted with the older messages and the advancements it contains will stand out from the decay that is usually shown as literalism in the older precursors. That Judaism rejected Christ for not fulfilling prophecies literally is evident today. Christians rejected Mohammad, though many did accept Him, and Islam rejected The Bab and Baha'u'llah. They did this by mostly requiring literal fulfillment of prophecy. Christ is to come from the clouds and every eye shall see Him, there can be no Prophets after Mohammad b/c He was the Seal of the Prophets, and probably the true Jewish Messiah will have the whole world resume Kosher practices.

Though each Faith contains truth, the most relevent and important is that which is meant for this day. Does one want to be a Jewish follower of Moses when Christ has appeared? It does depend on the ability to perceive the Messages in a spiritual manner. Being literal will bring little more meaning than the Pharisees and Sadduccees could see of Christ when today there is a Revelation more resplendent than the sun which still requires an eye to see it and an ear to hear it. Knowledge and pride must be the most common veils in our time.

I will say that Islam is a very tough subject to rectify to a Westerner which includes me. It schismed on the death of Mohammad, but it contains such beauty. I would take this on faith and conitnue to look into our Faith. Many do, and after years of reading it is evident that trying to judge Islam on my own is still hardly possible. The Baha'i explanations have been the most help. More continues to be published. Nader Saiedi's work THE GATE OF THE HEART really showed me how the Bab fulfilled Islam's prophecies and dealt with those issues. It was very satisfying, but still remains beyond my ability to recount......

tonyfish58

Ben bet Beh - I have a very simplistic logical answer to your post, I am a person of few words

If the Baha'i Faith is wrong, then religion from the dawn of man is wrong

A study of religion looking for features that unite will find that scripturally you will not find a lot of conflicts. Basically spiritual truth is one.

You will find differing laws, but that makes sense as laws must be progressive and history has already proved this fact.

What will differ is the interpretation man has placed on these scriptures, if you can go beyond all this rubbish that will blind ones eye to the truth that unites, then a great rewarding spiritual journey will begin

Best of luck & cheers Tony

aidan

I have been a Baha'i for only four months.Within that blink of an eye I have experienced more spiritual activity and communication with the Holy Spirit than I ever did during 48 years as a 'cradle Catholic'.I have come to know and love Jeaus in a deeper much more meaningful way.I can place Him,for the first time ever,in Gods plan for mankind ie where He came from and where He guided us to.I have also developed a fond affection for the Quran,something to which I had never before been awakened.I am on a voyage of one exhilerating discovery after another and I look forward with anticipation to the joyous journey

Yeshua

Well done I am happy for you.

Ben Bet Beh

Thank you all for the very kind and thoughtful replies. You have all given me very much to think about and consider. I'm not sure what to do with the inconsistencies that exist between the many major religions, however, I will not - really can not rush into any spiritual journey no matter where it may take me. Thanks again, and I do hope you keep me in your prayers.

cire perdue

Though not being sure which inconsistencies to which you refer I would say that much is from the way men have interpreted things and then enforced their understanding. You won't find resolution outside this Faith for them, but many things can be made clear. Consider looking at a Baha'i' reference name SOME ANSWERED QUESTIONS. You might look over the table of contents and choose a subject. SAQ was written by Baha'u'llah's son, Abdul'baha who spent all the years of his life serving his Father and then was appointed his successor. No religion has ever had a successful successorship prior to the Baha'i Faith. Peter's claim is disputed, Ali was not accepted as his Father's successor though appointed by Him.

There are many explanations for the issues of previous religions. It can take perusal of many books, one which may be better is KATAB-I-IQAN by Baha'u'llah that addresses Christian subjects and shows how they are not meant to be literal. It is a very important work.

Sorry, but it is a complex undertaking and people that are not capable of great faith do not undertake it. I hope you persevere and are clear about what you decide. We would love to have you, but it is in your hands. CP

http://bahai-library.com/bahaullah_kitab_iqan

tonyfish58

Best of luck with your search - Just remember the Inconsistencies are because of Mans Interpretation of Scripture.

Cheers Tony

mrjapilz

Everything in this world is relative.

God's reality is not. His message just gets updated with the changing times.

spirit

Originally Posted by cire perdue
...All religions are from the same God and come at a different time, so all are right for their time, but they decay and must be renewed...

I understand what you say cp but, I beg to differ. Truth has always been Truth, it has not decayed, it has never changed! It has always been esoteric. The individual must have eyes to see and ears to hear. We all possess the light within to recognize Truth.
Now....with that said...human beings understanding of Truth has been literal, times have changed, etc. And yes there are definite differences with the Faith as it describes scripture as being metaphorical. But the spirit with which all scripture has been written has never changed. Moses 10 commandments are no different than spiritual truths Baha'u'llah spoke of to live by.

armin

Generally speaking there are two branches of religious teachings. One is the fundamental values which hasn't changed and the other is the social teachings of the faith which are revealed according to the circumstances of the time and our understanding. So in a sense I'd say I agree with both your point Spirit and cp's

cire perdue

...All religions are from the same God and come at a different time, so all are right for their time, but they decay and must be renewed...

That is true, but what decays is not the fundamental message which is intact and is how we test the new Messenger. If the "new" message continues those fundamental truths and renews them and brings social teachings relevent to the advancement of mankind then our "eyes" should see that. What men do to religion is the decay. The Pharisees and Sadduces in Jesus' time were as worldly as any imperial courtier, and expected literal fulfillemnt of prophecies that would keep them in power and confirm their ways. Literalists are similar no matter what the age.

LordOfGoblins

Idle fancy is greatly emphasised in this revelation even though it is a somewhat new concept to religion. You will see that Baha'u'llah claims that the manifestations of God are rejected from "idle fancy".
So what is this 'idle fancy'? And how can someone be held responsible to rejecting something based on it?
Well, if a crazy priest was to incite a bunch of people to go commit a murder are the people responsible or the priest? Both, surely. THe priest brainwashed them and the people went along with it. They did not stop to consider that what they are being told might be wrong or stop to question it. Baha'u'llah says everyone is responsible for their own spiritual destiny. So basically that means its up to everyone to investigate and see through their own layers of 'idle fancy' to the new revelation. This leads to the next principle "independant investigation of the truth".

LordOfGoblins

Ponder a while. What is it that prompted, in every Dispensation, the peoples of the earth to shun the Manifestation of the All-Merciful? What could have impelled them to turn away from Him and to challenge His authority? Were men to meditate on these words which have flowed from the Pen of the Divine Ordainer, they would, one and all, hasten to embrace the truth of this God-given, and ever-enduring Revelation, and would testify to that which He Himself hath solemnly affirmed. It is the veil of idle imaginations which, in the days of the Manifestations of the Unity of God and the Day Springs of His everlasting glory, hath intervened, and will continue to intervene, between them and the rest of mankind. For in those days, He Who is the Eternal Truth manifesteth Himself in conformity with that which He Himself hath purposed, and not according to the desires and expectations of men. Even as He hath revealed: “So oft, then, as an Apostle cometh to you with that which your souls desire not, do ye swell with pride, and treat some as impostors, and slay others.”

-Baha'u'llah

cire perdue

Your use of the word rejected does not make sense," that the manifestations of God are rejected from "idle fancy"." The use of rejected implies an object, that the Manifestations are objects to be rejected...no sense? People whose thinking and beliefs are the result of idle fancies are nevertheless responsible, because they have developed their life that way. The made choices that were more self interest than objective and based on spiritual values. When these people are challenged by anything new, they work against that to keep the status quo. What you say is clear except for use rejected. Would you express this another way to clarify please.

LordOfGoblins

errr ok...
If someone claim to be a manifestation of God and someone else dont accept him, then its a "rejection" no?

LordOfGoblins

ok

cire perdue

Sorry Gob, I just couldn't see it. I have a very picky sense of grammar b/c due to hearing loss I use it to figure out what people said I did not hear and it helps some. I just couldn't get into that passive tense which I use all the time. Makes perfect sense now. tanks.

cire perdue

I think idle fancy occurs when we say, "You did such and such wrong, so I did not get it right, b/c you did it wrong." We automatically blame another person e.g. "you gave me bad directions", however if I look back when I got the directions then I find I could have asked more questions, but it is very easy to blame other people for the problem. To check our own fault in any issue is not usual behavior, and I can't think of the Hidden Word that says this, but we should look to ourselves for understanding. It could prevent hard feelings on a small scale and wars on a large scale. It's pride and blame and idle fancy! If I am willing to take responsibility for all my actions then I won't be pointing a finger. I think it would be easier to find solutions. By understanding this I bet everyone would get along better. Keeping the focus on me could mean one is prepared with the idea, "I could be wrong, you could be right". What a basis for solving problems and consulting that would be.

BruceDLimber

As was already mentioned, not only do the social teachings of religion change and evolve just as humanity (and everything else in creation) evolves over time, so that new religions are needed to communicate these changes; but in additin HUMANS, through their own perversity and inappropriate tendencies, tend to alter and corrupt religoius teachings over time, sometimes almost beyond recognition!

And this is precisely why the periodic renewal of religion is needed and why God sends new Divine Messengers periodically, typically every 500-1,000 years.

Peace, :-)

Bruce

Dud the Demon

I believe in working to increase the happiness of all.
In order to do this, nobody or group should be excluded from any 'club' that I, or others, belong to.
Many people in world have religious beliefs that do do include God. Others believe in many gods. The rest of my family are Buddhists, for example.
Therefore any mono-theistic belief excludes those people. That is why I feel belief in one God is not the true way forward.
I am looking for a belief that does not exclude anybody.
Each mono-theistic religion that has come along has broadly claimed that it has superceeded previous mono-theistic religions. They would, wouldn't they! Do you believe that is true?
My Roman Catholic brother-in-law once asked me "When are you going to join our club?".
He meant Roman Catholicism! Some people apparently think that their religious beliefs are like a club that you can pay a fee for and join for mutual benefit. They are people and beliefs that are not aiming to increase the happiness of all. So, I don't want any thing to do with them.
Hope this helps,
Dud (the Demon).

arthra

Dud wrote:

Many people in world have religious beliefs that do do include God. Others believe in many gods. The rest of my family are Buddhists, for example.
Therefore any mono-theistic belief excludes those people.

Baha'is have an attitude toward Buddhism you may find refreshing:

Although Bahá'u'lláh uses terms--such as "God"--derived from Judaeo-Christian-Islamic theology, in fact, Bahá'u'lláh, like the Buddha, discourages his followers from spending too much time trying to understand these matters for, he states, they will never be understood in any absolute sense (see 2.c, below) Both the Buddha and Bahá'u'lláh are agreed that all descriptions and attempts to explain this reality are true only in a relative sense and it is possible even for contradictory statements to be true (see, for example, the famous story told by the Buddha of the blind men touching an elephant and their different and contradictory descriptions of it, Udana 6:62ff).

Read more at

Buddhism and the Baha'i Faith

cire perdue

G K Chesterton said that any carpe diem path is not the route to happiness, that only long range goals are fulfilling. I do not see freedom to do anything one desires as freeing, but as ignorance about one's limitations that will result in little accomplishment. Without institutionalized virtures to focus one's efforts in life, doesn't that just result in indulgence which results in despair?

Dud the Demon

Cire perdue,

you said
"Religion
G K Chesterton said that any carpe diem path is not the route to happiness, that only long range goals are fulfilling. I do not see freedom to do anything one desires as freeing, but as ignorance about one's limitations that will result in little accomplishment. Without institutionalized virtures to focus one's efforts in life, doesn't that just result in indulgence which results in despair?"

What post is this a reply to?
Who are you addressing?
Did you mean to post this to arthra?
If it's truly meant for me, then I feel believe in the freedom that Ron Paul believes in.

Hope this helps,
Dud

cire perdue

I am enjoying writing today. As I said earlier you inspire me which is better than the despair I could choose to be in.

BruceDLimber

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Originally Posted by Dud the Demon The rest of my family are Buddhists, for example. Therefore, any mono-theistic belief excludes those people.

In fact, no so!

Buddhism started out monotheistic, as its scriptures demonstrate.

It has since split in more recent times, but some Buddhist groups are now theistic while others are atheistic.

But please note that the Baha'i Faith in no way excludes any of these groups!

And we endeavor to be most welcoming to all and sundry.

Peace, :-)

Bruce

Yeshua

This is my favourite description of "Truth":


"...The way of truth is therefore one. But into it, as into a perennial river, streams flow from all sides...From what has been said, I think it is clear that there is one true Church, which is really ancient, into which those who are just according to design are enrolled...Before the coming of the Lord, philosophy was necessary for justification to the Greeks; even now it is useful for piety...Philosophy was given to the Greeks directly and primarily...The Greek preparatory culture, therefore, with philosophy itself, is shown to have come down from God to men...It may therefore be shown that all, both Greeks and barbarians, who have sought after truth possess either no small amount or at least some part of the word of truth..."

- Saint Clement of Alexandria, Church Father (150 - c. 215), The Stromata (Book I) Ch 5


It also reminds me how similar the Early Church was to the Baha'i Faith in many respects.

rushdy

The truth is that which cannot be simpler! There is no truth in religion if the truth of self is not discovered. The truth of self is not that of your condition, but that of your essence. You need to discover than first on your own using whatever methods you want to try out!

Yeshua

It would appear that you and Jesus Christ think alike in that respect


Jesus said: If your leaders say to you “Look! The Kingdom is in the sky!” Then the birds will be there before you are. If they say that the Kingdom is in the sea, then the fish will be there before you are. Rather, the Kingdom is within you and it is outside of you.

When you understand yourselves you will find the Kingdom. And you will realize that you are Sons of the living Father. If you do not know yourselves then you exist in poverty and you are that poverty.

Jesus said: One who knows everything else but who does not know himself knows nothing

rushdy

I would be honored to think like him. I, however, got those ideas from a mixtures of sources including McKenna, Abbas Effendi, Plato, and Aristotle.

Yeshua

Sorry my dear brother/sister, I was being a little flippant ! I knew that you had not gotten the idea from those favourite words of mine from the Gospel of Thomas I did it with intent though.

This is because Truth is one, as St Clement explained, and so wherever it is dispersed in whatever religion or culture, I firmly believe that seekers after truth will find the same Spirit, the same intrinsic ideas, staring us in the face, proving to us the inherent Oneness of Religion as the Baha'i Faith so correctly proclaims.

For example, as far back as the Greek Oracle at Delphi way before Christ, we find that the motto adorning the entrance to this holy, ancient site was simply: "Know Thyself".

rushdy

I believe that the truth provides the "awareness" of the oneness of religion, man, and spirit. The truth will make you realize that labeling is degrading, claiming a religion to be yours is ignorance, fighting (whether vocally or physically) to prove your religion right is a waste, memorizing statements from your religion to share is purely fake. I think the truth is the awareness of self in a way that connects with everything and nothing. All religions in my opinion come for that reason.. to help people reach such a state of mind!

Yeshua

An interesting reflection on this subject Rushdy! Thank you very much!