and out of (Earth) will We bring you forth a second time

May 2011
507
Australia
Dear Friends,

I simply wanted to ask everyone if they understand what this verse means when it says that from 'Earth we will bring you forth a second time.

I don't believe in reincarnation, but I thought that some people might read it that way. Any thoughts on the interpretation of this passage?
Thanking you.

'Rememberest thou not God's warning uttered in times past, that thou mayest be of them that heed His warning? He said, and He, verily, speaketh the truth: "From it (earth) have We created you, and unto it will We return you, and out of it will We bring you forth a second time." This is what God ordained unto all them that dwell on earth, be they high or low. It behoveth not, therefore, him who was created from dust, who will return unto it, and will again be brought forth out of it, to swell with pride before God, and before His loved ones, to proudly scorn them, and be filled with disdainful arrogance. Nay, rather it behoveth thee and those like thee to submit yourselves to them Who are the Manifestations of the unity of God,..'

(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 231)
 
Jun 2009
473
earth
It is interesting. It is at the end of a long passage in Gleanings.

This passage starts with the paragraph

"Dost thou imagine, O Minister of the Shah in the City (Constantinople), that I hold within My grasp the ultimate destiny of the Cause of God? Thinkest thou that My imprisonment, or the shame I have been made to suffer, or even My death and utter annihilation, can deflect its course? Wretched is what thou hast imagined in thine heart! Thou art indeed of them that walk after the vain imaginings which their hearts devise. No God is there but Him. Powerful is He to manifest His Cause, and to exalt His testimony, and to establish whatsoever is His Will, and to elevate it to so eminent a position that neither thine own hands, nor the hands of them that have turned away from Him, can ever touch or harm it."

(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 219)

This passage certainly seems to go on to remind this minister about the error of his ways.

The reference of all people being created from the earth I think is a reference to our physical part. There are other mentions of this, for example

"O CHILDREN OF MEN!
Know ye not why We created you all from the same dust? That no one should exalt himself over the other. Ponder at all times in your hearts how ye were created. Since We have created you all from one same substance it is incumbent on you to be even as one soul, to walk with the same feet, eat with the same mouth and dwell in the same land, that from your inmost being, by your deeds and actions, the signs of oneness and the essence of detachment may be made manifest. Such is My counsel to you, O concourse of light! Heed ye this counsel that ye may obtain the fruit of holiness from the tree of wondrous glory."

(Baha'u'llah, The Arabic Hidden Words)

I think logic would indicate that the reference to returning to earth, is one of burial and/or decomposition of the body - which happens to all.

I feel quite confident about those two points.

The final bit, I have not noticed written this way before so I am making an educated guess but others may have a clearer idea. The reference to bringing forth a second time I am guessing is a reference to the soul being freed from the physical, in death - the moving on to the afterlife. I base this assumption on this being what we believe happens after death. I don't think this is any type of reference to a physical resurection but is more of a metaphor. I think this is the case because the first bit referring to us being created from dust is a bit metephorical as we know how people get made and it is not literally by moulding from dust but references to the earth or dust often mean the physical world.
 
Jun 2006
4,321
California
Well the verse above:

"From it (earth) have We created you, and unto it will We return you, and out of it will We bring you forth a second time."

Reminds me of the Qur'anic verse:

Surih (2) Al- Baqara:

28. How can ye reject the faith in Allah.- seeing that ye were without life, and He gave you life; then will He cause you to die, and will again bring you to life; and again to Him will ye return.

Here's what I would gather.....three levels:

(1) "From it (earth) have We created you..."

The material level where we are created..from earth like Adam..

(2) "...and unto it will We return you..."

Meaning the physical death or decomposition of the body back to the elements.

(3) "....and out of it will We bring you forth a second time."

This would be the spiritual birth and "return" to Him through ascension in the spiritual worlds of God.


The spiritual world is like unto the phenomenal world. They are the exact counterpart of each other. Whatever objects appear in this world of existence are the outer pictures of the world of heaven.

~ Abdu'l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 10
 
May 2011
507
Australia
Thank you both for your contributions. Yes, it was primarily this part of the verse that I was asking about:
'and out of it will We bring you forth a second time.' ..'Cos it seemed to me that some may see it as describing reincarnation, but seeing as the Writings make it clear there is no such thing, it is true that it must be illustrating the release of the soul from the physical, in death -as Pollwr suggests.

And references to us being created from dust I don't see as totally metaphorical, in that without dust (soil!), earth, trees, fruits, nourishment etc humans -our physical form that is, cannot come into existence.
(Well, that is obvious, sorry)..
 
Oct 2011
4,213
Quilimari,Chile
Well the verse above:

"From it (earth) have We created you, and unto it will We return you, and out of it will We bring you forth a second time."

Reminds me of the Qur'anic verse:

Surih (2) Al- Baqara:

28. How can ye reject the faith in Allah.- seeing that ye were without life, and He gave you life; then will He cause you to die, and will again bring you to life; and again to Him will ye return.

Here's what I would gather.....three levels:

(1) "From it (earth) have We created you..."

The material level where we are created..from earth like Adam..

(2) "...and unto it will We return you..."

Meaning the physical death or decomposition of the body back to the elements.

(3) "....and out of it will We bring you forth a second time."

This would be the spiritual birth and "return" to Him through ascension in the spiritual worlds of God.


The spiritual world is like unto the phenomenal world. They are the exact counterpart of each other. Whatever objects appear in this world of existence are the outer pictures of the world of heaven.

~ Abdu'l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 10
I like your explanation arthra :yes:
 
Sep 2010
55
Boalsburg, PA, USA
This also reminds me of the Christian Ash Wednesday sayings; "You are dust, and to dust you shall return".