Christmas is for Baha'is too

Jul 2011
1,747
n ireland
#1
Jesus and Bahaullah , though separate manifestations, have identical natures. Therefore when Jesus is celebrated at Christmas so is Baha'u'llah
 
Jun 2015
389
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#3
Jesus and Bahaullah , though separate manifestations, have identical natures. Therefore when Jesus is celebrated at Christmas so is Baha'u'llah
Hi Aidan,

They have 'identical natures' only in as much as both were human. And when was the last time you heard Baha'u'llah celebrated (or even mentioned) at any Christian ceremony?

Have a nice day,

Paul
 
Oct 2014
1,781
Stockholm
#4
Hi Aidan,

They have 'identical natures' only in as much as both were human. And when was the last time you heard Baha'u'llah celebrated (or even mentioned) at any Christian ceremony?

Have a nice day,

Paul
'Abdu'l-Bahá used to attend prayers in the mosque.

And, on the whole, as a Swede, I'm not so sure what we celebrate - the connection between Christmas and Christ is doubtful to say the least, as, most probably, He was born in spring. We do know that, since times immemorial, we have celebrated our traditional Yule, the traditions of which have survived to a large extent - with some details, like the obligatory human sacrifice, downplayed a bit. But why not have a great party when there is an opportunity?

gnat
 
Jun 2015
389
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#5
'Abdu'l-Bahá used to attend prayers in the mosque.

And, on the whole, as a Swede, I'm not so sure what we celebrate - the connection between Christmas and Christ is doubtful to say the least, as, most probably, He was born in spring. We do know that, since times immemorial, we have celebrated our traditional Yule, the traditions of which have survived to a large extent - with some details, like the obligatory human sacrifice, downplayed a bit. But why not have a great party when there is an opportunity?

gnat
Why not indeed! And don't forget that pint you owe me :)
 
Mar 2013
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#6
Christmas historically and now has seldom been a religious holiday. How its celebrated now compared to the scary raucus mess it was in the 1700's and earlier is a relief.

For my family its a great time to get everyone together in one spot and enjoy the company and the lights. I'll come out and say it: Christmas has more to do with Charles Dickens and electric lighting than some dubious connection to the birth of Christ. I do not mean that disrespectfully.

So while, no, there aren't hundreds of millions of Christians praising Baha'u'llah on December 25th and caroling "Blessed is the Spot" at every door, that doesn't bother me. Maybe Ayami-i-Ha will be just as well known as other gift-giving holidays, someday.

The rampant, horrific commercialism is sad. People thinking about their shopping so much they forget their driving. (I live right next to a shopping mall. I've seen several wrecks in the last week, and someone hit our car, too, at the airport) It's not a great time for a lot of people.

Honestly this time of year used to really depress me. But I am coming out of it. Our winters are almost-cold-but-not-quite-steel-great-rainy-affairs. I can see why everyone , especially in a northern climate, wants to celebrate getting out of the season and into the next one.
 
Jul 2011
1,747
n ireland
#7
Hi Aidan,

They have 'identical natures' only in as much as both were human. And when was the last time you heard Baha'u'llah celebrated (or even mentioned) at any Christian ceremony?

Have a nice day,

Paul
Paul this is a basic dogma of our belief. I wouldn't dream of ridiculing a dogma of Islam which might possibly give offence
 
Oct 2014
1,781
Stockholm
#8
Hi Aidan,

They have 'identical natures' only in as much as both were human. And when was the last time you heard Baha'u'llah celebrated (or even mentioned) at any Christian ceremony?

Have a nice day,

Paul
Coming to think of it, there is a difference. The Muslim ceremonies are divinely-ordained. The Christian ones, on the contrary, are man-made. No wonder, then, that I've never seen mention of Bahá'u'lláh attending a Christian ceremony.

gnat
 
Jun 2015
389
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#9
Paul this is a basic dogma of our belief. I wouldn't dream of ridiculing a dogma of Islam which might possibly give offence
Aidan.

Ridicule, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I was not mocking your comment; rather, I was stating a fact (Yeshua and Baha'u'llah were human beings). I appreciate that Christians (not the Unitarians) would argue that Yeshua (ʿalayhi as-salām) is far more than just a human; that his human nature is assumed into the unity and dominion of the Divine Person, so that the latter operates in the human nature and through the human nature, as its organ. For sure, they would not say the same about Baha'u'llah.

I also asked a question: ‘When was the last time you heard Baha'u'llah celebrated (or even mentioned) at any Christian ceremony?’ Since you have not answered this question I can only assume that your reply would be: ‘Never’. In which case I would say: ‘Neither have I!’

I was not aware that your statement: ‘Jesus and Baha'u'llah, though separate manifestations, have identical natures. Therefore when Jesus is celebrated at Christmas so is Baha'u'llah’ is a ‘basic dogma of (your) belief.’ Feel free to elaborate.

Of course you would not ridicule Islamic dogma. Deny…..certainly, but never ridicule. That is precisely my stance vis-à-vis the faith of the Baha’i. By the way, I would never say of those who deny my religion that they are ‘blind and ignoble people.’ (Kitab-i-iquan; Part 2. Page 99).

Have a good day, and very best regards,

Paul.
 
Mar 2013
191
CA
#10
Aidan.

Ridicule, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I was not mocking your comment; rather, I was stating a fact (Yeshua and Baha'u'llah were human beings). I appreciate that Christians (not the Unitarians) would argue that Yeshua (ʿalayhi as-salām) is far more than just a human; that his human nature is assumed into the unity and dominion of the Divine Person, so that the latter operates in the human nature and through the human nature, as its organ. For sure, they would not say the same about Baha'u'llah.

I also asked a question: ‘When was the last time you heard Baha'u'llah celebrated (or even mentioned) at any Christian ceremony?’ Since you have not answered this question I can only assume that your reply would be: ‘Never’. In which case I would say: ‘Neither have I!’

I was not aware that your statement: ‘Jesus and Baha'u'llah, though separate manifestations, have identical natures. Therefore when Jesus is celebrated at Christmas so is Baha'u'llah’ is a ‘basic dogma of (your) belief.’ Feel free to elaborate.

Of course you would not ridicule Islamic dogma. Deny…..certainly, but never ridicule. That is precisely my stance vis-à-vis the faith of the Baha’i. By the way, I would never say of those who deny my religion that they are ‘blind and ignoble people.’ (Kitab-i-iquan; Part 2. Page 99).

Have a good day, and very best regards,

Paul.
Honest, genuine question. Why are you posting so much on a Baha'I forum?
 

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