That we need all the different religions because some people like some better than others contradicts what the Baha’i Faith teaches, which is that humanity will eventually unite under one religion.In matters of religion what works for one person does not work for another person because people have different mentalities and personalities. Which is why there is need for many religions or spiritual paths to God.
“One of the great events,” ‘Abdu’l-Bahá has, in His “Some Answered Questions,” affirmed, “which is to occur in the Day of the manifestation of that Incomparable Branch [Bahá’u’lláh] is the hoisting of the Standard of God among all nations. By this is meant that all nations and kindreds will be gathered together under the shadow of this Divine Banner, which is no other than the Lordly Branch itself, and will become a single nation. Religious and sectarian antagonism, the hostility of races and peoples, and differences among nations, will be eliminated. All men will adhere to one religion, will have one common faith, will be blended into one race, and become a single people. All will dwell in one common fatherland, which is the planet itself.” The Promised Day Is Come, pp. 119-121
And as I said in my previous post:
God is not a tailor who tailors religions to suit people with different personalities and mentalities. If they do not like the Baha’i Faith they can choose to reject it because we all have free will.
God’s religion is not revealed for meeting YOUR needs or the needs of any particular person or group of people. It is revealed for ALL of humanity.
I disagree with that because that personal experience is only valid for the “person” who experiences it.Scriptures contain spiritual truths whose authenticity can be verified through personal experience.
Show me where I ever did that. I just quoted what Baha’u’llah wrote about the older scriptures.You don't have to if you are not interested but then you should not be commenting on religions and scriptures you have never studied.
I am going to say this one more time. I believe that Baha’ullah was a Manifestation of God so I believe that whatever He wrote is identical with the Will of God.Your experiences with Hindus should not be equated with spiritual truths in the Hindu scriptures. Baha’u’llah's teachings while being a true revelation are not the latest revelation from God. There have been other manifestations of God in India that were born among Hindus who gave their own revelations. You dismissing them as false prophets without even studying their teachings is just like a Muslims calling Baha’u’llah a fake prophet only because Mohammed supposedly claimed that he was the last prophet.
“The essence of belief in Divine unity consisteth in regarding Him Who is the Manifestation of God and Him Who is the invisible, the inaccessible, the unknowable Essence as one and the same. By this is meant that whatever pertaineth to the former, all His acts and doings, whatever He ordaineth or forbiddeth, should be considered, in all their aspects, and under all circumstances, and without any reservation, as identical with the Will of God Himself. This is the loftiest station to which a true believer in the unity of God can ever hope to attain. Blessed is the man that reacheth this station, and is of them that are steadfast in their belief.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 167
There is no wiggle room for me so because Baha’u’llah wrote that there will be no more Manifestations of God for 1000 years that is what I believe. YMMV but I do not want to discuss it anymore because Baha’u’llah wrote that if two people argue they are both wrong.
I am just very sad for anyone who claimed to be a Manifestation of God after Baha’u’llah because God’s wrath will be upon them unless they retract their false claims.
These passages do not mean we are part of God and God is in us. An essential teaching or Baha’u’llah is that we can NEVER be a partner with God because God is one and alone:Becoming one with God does not mean the soul losing individuality. Becoming one with God means realizing that we are part of God and God is in us as Baha’u’llah said in Mathnavi-i-Mubarak and the Hidden Words. Right now we feel we are separate from God but when we overcome that separation through spiritual effort we realize we are part of God while retaining our individuality. A rose petal does not have to lose it's individuality to realize it is part of the whole rose.
Explain to me what Baha’u’llah means by "Then in yourself, my sweet, seek union with Him and you'll no longer feel the Friend's absence"
What does reunion in reunion mean
And then why does he say both reunion and absence are blasphemy.
If reunion is blasphemy why does Baha’u’llah say reunion with God is our heavenly home. If God is not within us, why does Baha’u’llah says that God's house resides in hearts. If you understand Baha’u’llah, explain what he is saying in these words below.
O SON OF BEING! Thy Paradise is My love; thy heavenly home, reunion with Me. Enter therein and tarry not. This is that which hath been destined for thee in Our kingdom above and Our exalted dominion. - Hidden Words
“And now concerning thy reference to the existence of two Gods. Beware, beware, lest thou be led to join partners with the Lord, thy God. He is, and hath from everlasting been, one and alone, without peer or equal, eternal in the past, eternal in the future, detached from all things, ever-abiding, unchangeable, and self-subsisting. He hath assigned no associate unto Himself in His Kingdom, no counsellor to counsel Him, none to compare unto Him, none to rival His glory. To this every atom of the universe beareth witness, and beyond it the inmates of the realms on high, they that occupy the most exalted seats, and whose names are remembered before the Throne of Glory.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 192
As I understand the word “heart” in all these passages, our hearts are symbolic for that part of our soul which feels Love. God wants us to love Him alone, not because God needs our Love, but because we need God’s Love, and God’s Love cannot reach us unless we love Him.
5: O SON OF BEING! Love Me, that I may love thee. If thou lovestMe not, My love can in no wise reach thee. Know this, O servant.
The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 4
59: O SON OF BEING! Thy heart is My home; sanctify it for My descent. Thy spirit is My place of revelation; cleanse it for My manifestation.
The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 17
“Cleanse from your hearts the love of worldly things, from your tongues every remembrance except His remembrance, from your entire being whatsoever may deter you from beholding His face, or may tempt you to follow the promptings of your evil and corrupt inclinations. Let God be your fear, O people, and be ye of them that tread the path of righteousness.......
Dispute not with any one concerning the things of this world and its affairs, for God hath abandoned them to such as have set their affection upon them. Out of the whole world He hath chosen for Himself the hearts of men—hearts which the hosts of revelation and of utterance can subdue. Thus hath it been ordained by the Fingers of Bahá, upon the Tablet of God’s irrevocable decree, by the behest of Him Who is the Supreme Ordainer, the All-Knowing.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 275, 279
“Meditate on what the poet hath written: “Wonder not, if my Best-Beloved be closer to me than mine own self; wonder at this, that I, despite such nearness, should still be so far from Him.”… Considering what God hath revealed, that “We are closer to man than his life-vein,” the poet hath, in allusion to this verse, stated that, though the revelation of my Best-Beloved hath so permeated my being that He is closer to me than my life-vein, yet, notwithstanding my certitude of its reality and my recognition of my station, I am still so far removed from Him. By this he meaneth that his heart, which is the seat of the All-Merciful and the throne wherein abideth the splendor of His revelation, is forgetful of its Creator, hath strayed from His path, hath shut out itself from His glory, and is stained with the defilement of earthly desires.
It should be remembered in this connection that the one true God is in Himself exalted beyond and above proximity and remoteness. His reality transcendeth such limitations. His relationship to His creatures knoweth no degrees. That some are near and others are far is to be ascribed to the manifestations themselves.
That the heart is the throne, in which the Revelation of God the All-Merciful is centered, is attested by the holy utterances which We have formerly revealed.
Among them is this saying: “Earth and heaven cannot contain Me; what can alone contain Me is the heart of him that believeth in Me, and is faithful to My Cause.” How often hath the human heart, which is the recipient of the light of God and the seat of the revelation of the All-Merciful, erred from Him Who is the Source of that light and the Well Spring of that revelation. It is the waywardness of the heart that removeth it far from God, and condemneth it to remoteness from Him. Those hearts, however, that are aware of His Presence, are close to Him, and are to be regarded as having drawn nigh unto His throne.
Consider, moreover, how frequently doth man become forgetful of his own self, whilst God remaineth, through His all-encompassing knowledge, aware of His creature, and continueth to shed upon him the manifest radiance of His glory. It is evident, therefore, that, in such circumstances, He is closer to him than his own self. He will, indeed, so remain for ever, for, whereas the one true God knoweth all things, perceiveth all things, and comprehendeth all things, mortal man is prone to err, and is ignorant of the mysteries that lie enfolded within him….” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 185-186
I do not need to understand the Houri because it was never translated by the UHJ so I do not believe that we have a translation that is authoritative. Moreover, Baha’u’llah did not want us to have that Tablet, He told his companion to thrown it into the Tigris River. That order was disobeyed.How are we supposed to understand the Houri? The truth is, you have no clue because your are only interested in dogma and trashing other religions while ignoring the mysticism of Baha’u’llah which is the core of the Bahai religion.
You WANT to make the Baha’i Faith in your own image because you LIKE mystical religions so you trash everything else about the religion, but the Baha’i Faith is a package deal; it is not only mystical but it is also practical. By ignoring everything except the mystical teachings you are cherry picking and thereby rejecting everything else Baha’u’llah wrote. If you want a “designer religion” that is not the Baha’i Faith.
The primary message of Baha’u’llah was the unity of mankind. That can never be accomplished as long as people cling to their older religions for dear life. The evidence that this is true is all the dissension and disunity caused by people who disagree. It is right here on this forum between you and me.
I never said that Muslims do not have the revelations or teachings of Muhammad because Muhammad was illiterate.You have given a lot of evidence that you do not understand Baha’u’llah’s teachings. Your comment that Muslims do not have the revelations or teachings of Mohammed because he was illiterate just trashes the great reverence that Baha’u’llah had for Quran which contains Mohammed's revelations. All I hear from you is the Bahai dogma. I just hope the majority of the Bahai are not like you.
The authoritative Baha’i position on the Qur’an is as follows:
From Letters Written on Behalf of the Guardian:
...The Bible is not wholly authentic, and in this respect is not to be compared with the Qur'an, and should be wholly subordinated to the authentic writings of Bahá'u'lláh.
(28 July 1936 to a National Spiritual Assembly)
(28 July 1936 to a National Spiritual Assembly)
We cannot be sure of the authenticity of any of the phrases in the Old or the New Testament. What we can be sure of is when such references or words are cited or quoted in either the Quran or the Bahá'í writings.
(4 July 1947 to an individual believer)
(4 July 1947 to an individual believer)
Your putting me down to raise yourself up to a higher spiritual stature is duly noted and it demonstrates a lack of spirituality. It is not really necessary to act superior to me in order tomake your point about mysticism.Mysticism is the core of any true religion. It is just that people like you are not ready for it and so Baha’u’llah ordered many of his mystical writings to be destroyed. The original Ode of the Dove was actually over 2000 verses long but most of them were destroyed and only a small portion retained at Baha’u’llah's wish and you can't even understand the tiny portion that he left us with.
People like me? Do you think you are superior to me because you are ready and I am not? Anyone who thinks they are superior to anyone else is going against the very spirit of the Faith of Baha’u’llah:
68. O Children of Men!
Know ye not why We created you all from the same dust? That no one should exalt himself over the other. Ponder at all times in your hearts how ye were created. Since We have created you all from one same substance it is incumbent on you to be even as one soul, to walk with the same feet, eat with the same mouth and dwell in the same land, that from your inmost being, by your deeds and actions, the signs of oneness and the essence of detachment may be made manifest. Such is My counsel to you, O concourse of light! Heed ye this counsel that ye may obtain the fruit of holiness from the tree of wondrous glory.
5. O Son of Dust!
Verily I say unto thee: Of all men the most negligent is he that disputeth idly and seeketh to advance himself over his brother. Say: O brethren! Let deeds, not words, be your adorning.
The Hidden Words of Baha'u'llah
If Baha’u’llah ordered His Writings to be destroyed He did so for a good reason. Do you think you know more than a Manifestation of God?
You are condescending. Of course I know what the Obligatory Prayers say and what they mean.That only shows you are not even familiar with the Obligatory Prayers of the Bahai. It is difficult to believe you have been Bahai for over 48 years. The very first line of the short obligatory prayer says the purpose of human life is to know God, not unity of mankind. Please read it carefully.
The Obligatory prayers because they address the purpose for the life of the individual, knowing and worshiping God. But the Baha’i Faith is about more than the individual spiritual path to God. It is about the salvation of all of humanity, and the security and peace of all who dwell in the world.This is the Cause of God for this new age, it is not individual salvation. Individual salvation was the mission of Jesus Christ.
“Considering this most mighty enterprise, it beseemeth them that love Him to gird up the loins of their endeavor, and to fix their thoughts on whatever will ensure the victory of the cause of God, rather than commit vile and contemptible deeds. Wert thou to consider, for but a little while, the outward works and doings of Him Who is the Eternal Truth, thou wouldst fall down upon the ground, and exclaim: O Thou Who art the Lord of Lords! I testify that Thou art the Lord of all creation, and the Educator of all beings, visible and invisible. I bear witness that Thy power hath encompassed the entire universe, and that the hosts of the earth can never dismay Thee, nor can the dominion of all peoples and nations deter Thee from executing Thy purpose. I confess that Thou hast no desire except the regeneration of the whole world, and the establishment of the unity of its peoples, and the salvation of all them that dwell therein.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 243
“Every unbiased observer will readily admit that, ever since the dawn of His Revelation, this wronged One hath invited all mankind to turn their faces towards the Day Spring of Glory, and hath forbidden corruption, hatred, oppression, and wickedness. And yet, behold what the hand of the oppressor hath wrought! No pen dare describe his tyranny. Though the purpose of Him Who is the Eternal Truth hath been to confer everlasting life upon all men, and ensure their security and peace, yet witness how they have arisen to shed the blood of His loved ones, and have pronounced on Him the sentence of death.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 115-116
The primary message of Baha’u’llah was the Unity of Mankind and you cannot change that. That is the main reason Baha’u’llah came. If all we needed were mystical teachings we would not have needed a “new religion” because all the older religions have mystical teachings. Apparently, all you can think about is your individual spiritual path. If that is all you care about then the Baha’i Faith is not for you.
“My object is none other than the betterment of the world and the tranquillity of its peoples. The well-being of mankind, its peace and security, are unattainable unless and until its unity is firmly established. This unity can never be achieved so long as the counsels which the Pen of the Most High hath revealed are suffered to pass unheeded.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 286