Learning to love Baha'u'llah

Jul 2010
19
Australia
#11
Hi Traveller,

All I can add is that as a Bahá’í I much, much love Jesus more than when I was a devout Christian. Baha’u’llah and Abdul-Baha praise and glorify Jesus so, so much. Baha’u’llah has even written a very moving tribute to Him.

As to wives.

This link should assist you.

https://bahai-library.com/uhj_wives_bahaullah

...as regards Bahá'u'lláh's marriage it should be noted that His three marriages were all contracted before He revealed His Book of Laws, and even before His declaration in Baghdád, at a time when Bahá'í marriage laws had not yet been known, and the Revelation not yet disclosed.
(25 May 1938 to a National Spiritual Assembly)










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Sep 2017
371
Earth
#12
To find out what God wants from us, is to do what he commands through his messengers. Community building is part of the present plan from UHJ, and individual teaching is also a command.
 
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May 2018
111
New Zealand
#13
As to wives.

This link should assist you.

https://bahai-library.com/uhj_wives_bahaullah

...as regards Bahá'u'lláh's marriage it should be noted that His three marriages were all contracted before He revealed His Book of Laws, and even before His declaration in Baghdád, at a time when Bahá'í marriage laws had not yet been known, and the Revelation not yet disclosed.
(25 May 1938 to a National Spiritual Assembly)




Dear World Citizen,

I'm sorry but no matter how many times I am told " it was standard practice of the times and consistent with Islamic law.." I do not believe it is just.

The words Baha'u'llah wrote are pure light.. but his actions ? I am not so sure about those...

Regards,
T
 
Sep 2010
4,521
Earth
#14
As to wives.

This link should assist you.

https://bahai-library.com/uhj_wives_bahaullah

...as regards Bahá'u'lláh's marriage it should be noted that His three marriages were all contracted before He revealed His Book of Laws, and even before His declaration in Baghdád, at a time when Bahá'í marriage laws had not yet been known, and the Revelation not yet disclosed.
(25 May 1938 to a National Spiritual Assembly)




Dear World Citizen,

I'm sorry but no matter how many times I am told " it was standard practice of the times and consistent with Islamic law.." I do not believe it is just.

The words Baha'u'llah wrote are pure light.. but his actions ? I am not so sure about those...

Regards,
T
What actions were not lawful and moral?

By what standards do we use to make such a judgement?

You would be aware that if one did marry more than one wife, that each had to be treated equally.

This subject is much more than our current thoughts on what is moral and what is not, it is Baha'u'llah that has set the standard of Morality first in His life and then in the Word.

Regards Tony
 
May 2018
111
New Zealand
#15
Hi Tony,

Jesus did not follow the law of stoning an Adulteress to death, he acted in love and then taught love.


Also you may find this article interesting
Why polygamy breeds civil war
When large numbers of men are doomed to bachelorhood, they get desperate
FEW South Sudanese see a link between their country’s horrific civil war and polygamy. Instead they blame greedy politicians or the tribe next door. Fair enough: corruption, weak institutions and tribalism all make violence more likely. But marital customs matter, too. Wherever polygamy is widely practised (in South Sudan, perhaps 40% of marriages involve multiple wives) turmoil tends to follow. The 20 most fragile states in the world are all somewhat or very polygamous. Polygamous nations are more likely to invade their neighbours. The polygamous regions of Haiti and Indonesia are the most turbulent. One London School of Economics study found a strong link between plural marriage and civil war. How come?
Polygamy nearly always means rich men taking multiple wives. And if the top 10% of men marry four women each, then the bottom 30% cannot marry at all. This often leaves them not only sexually frustrated but also socially marginalised. In many traditional societies, a man is not considered an adult until he has found a wife and sired children. To get a wife, he must typically pay a “brideprice” to her father. When polygamy creates a shortage of brides, it massively inflates this brideprice. In South Sudan, it can be anything from 30 to 300 cattle, far more wealth than an ill-educated young man can plausibly accumulate by legal means.
In desperation, many single men resort to extreme measures to secure a mate. In South Sudan, they pick up guns and steal cattle from the tribe next door. Many people are killed in such raids; many bloody feuds spring from them. Young bachelors who cannot afford to marry also make easy recruits for rebel armies. If they fight, they can loot, and with loot, they can wed. In a paper published last year, Valerie Hudson of Texas A&M University and Hilary Matfess of Yale found that a high brideprice is a “critical” factor “predisposing young men to become involved in organised group violence for political purposes”. Jihadist groups exploit this, too. One member of Pakistan’s Lashkar-e-Taiba, which carried out the attack on Mumbai in 2008 that killed 166 people, said he joined the organisation because it promised to pay for his siblings to get married. During its heyday the so-called Islamic State offered foreign recruits honeymoons in Raqqa, its former capital. In northern Nigeria, where polygamy is rife, Boko Haram still arranges cheap marriages for its recruits.
Globally, polygamy is in retreat, but in some pockets support for it is rising. After America’s Supreme Court legalised same-sex marriage in 2015, some people argued that plural unions should be next. According to Gallup, a pollster, the proportion of Americans who consider polygamy to be morally acceptable rose from 5% in 2006 to 17% last year, among the most dramatic jumps in the subjects it tracks. Campaigners in Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and other central Asian states are seeking to re-establish men’s right to take multiple wives. In Kazakhstan, a bill failed in 2008 after a female MP included an amendment stipulating that polyandry (women taking multiple husbands) also be allowed. Advocates claim that polygamy promotes social harmony by giving lusty husbands a legitimate alternative to infidelity. The mayhem in places like South Sudan, Afghanistan and northern Nigeria suggests otherwise.
 
Jul 2010
19
Australia
#16
Every time God sends His Representatives to earth it has been a sore test for former believers.

Moses was a murderer. The immaculate conception of Jesus. The wives and concubines of Abraham and David.

These are tests and we know even the most knowledgeable such as the Jewish pharisees failed because they judged God by their own understandings.

A point worthy of note is that Abraham also had more than one wife and both God and Jesus accepted Him. It was part of God’s plan and wisdom then as it was in the time of Baha’u’llah.
 
May 2018
111
New Zealand
#17
Dear World Citizen,
That is the difference between Jesus and the other prophets , it is easy to see Jesus as Divine, the other prophets where not like Jesus...
This is my struggle

Regards,
T
 
Sep 2010
4,521
Earth
#18
Hi Tony, Jesus did not follow the law of stoning an Adulteress to death, he acted in love and then taught love.
Hi Traveller - Baha'u'llah also did not teach stoning and acted in Love and taught Love.

The wisdom of God is not our Wisdom

Moses was guilty of murder and then gave the Ten Commandments on being that one Shall not Kill.

Baha'ullah married lawfully and then a Law was later made for this age, that is a man can only have one wife and thus likewise a woman can only have one husband.

Can I suggest you could research when and why these additional marriages were contracted.

What I see is but a bounty to us when we consider the only family that remained loyal to the Covernant was from Baha'u'llahs first Marriage. This is something to ponder deeply upon. To me it supports the first marrage as the eternal bond and reflects the bounty of a single spouse.

As suggested above, there is much to learn from why God gave Bahau'llah more than one wife, then gave the Law that we can only have one spouse.

Regards Tony
 
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Sep 2010
4,521
Earth
#19
Dear World Citizen,
That is the difference between Jesus and the other prophets , it is easy to see Jesus as Divine, the other prophets where not like Jesus...
This is my struggle

Regards,
T
The Jews rejected Jesus using that same standard. Jesus was supposed to confirm all the Laws of Moses and rule like a King from a throne on this earth. Thus to the Jews, Jesus was not as Divine as Moses and is still not.

Regards Tony
 
Jul 2010
19
Australia
#20
Hi Traveller - Baha'u'llah also did not teach stoning and acted in Love and taught Love.

The wisdom of God is not our Wisdom

Moses was guilty of murder and then gave the Ten Commandments on being that one Shall not Kill.

Baha'ullah married lawfully and then a Law was later made for this age, that is a man can only have one wife and thus likewise a woman can only have one husband.

Can I suggest you could research when and why these additional marriages were contracted.

What I see is but a bounty to us when we consider the only family that remained loyal to the Covernant was from Baha'u'llahs first Marriage. This is something to ponder deeply upon. To me it supports the first marrage as the eternal bond and reflects the bounty of a single spouse.

As suggested above, there is much to learn from why God gave Bahau'llah more than one wife, then gave the Law that we can only have one spouse.

Regards Tony


Very good point Tony about Moses and the Ten Commandments and Thou shalt not kill. Coming from one who had been guilty Himself of murder it just goes to show how God tests His servants.




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